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THE US Trade Gap Thread (merged)

Postby skiwi » Thu 14 Oct 2004, 10:07:49

Breaking News from the Herald Sun From correspondents in Washington 14oct04
THE Commerce Department reported today that the United States recorded a $US54 billion ($74.55 billion) trade deficit in August, the second highest level on record. The politically sensitive deficit with China hit a new high as American retailers upped their orders for cell phones, toys and televisions. The Commerce Department said the August trade deficit in goods and services was 6.9 per cent higher than a $US50.5 billion ($69.72 billion) imbalance in July. A small 0.1 per cent rise in exports was dwarfed by a 2.5 per cent jump in imports.

For the year, the American trade deficit is running at a record annual rate of $US590 billion ($814.58 billion), 19 per cent higher than the previous record, last year's $US496.5 billion ($685.49 billion) imbalance. Imports climbed 2.5 per cent to a record $US150.1 billion ($207.23 billion) in August, reflecting a 12.2 per cent jump in petroleum shipments, which rose to a record $US15.6 billion ($21.54 billion)last month.

US exports edged up 0.1 per cent to $US96 billion ($132.54 billion) in August following an even larger three per cent gain in July.
Economists are hoping that an improving global economy will lift sales of American goods overseas. Sales of American cars and auto parts did hit a record, rising to $US7.8 billion ($10.77 billion) in August.

The US trade performance has become an issue in the presidential race with Democratic challenger John Kerry charging that President George W Bush has not done enough to protect American workers from unfair trade practices from low wage countries such as China.

In last night's final debate, Kerry criticised Bush for failing to pursue an unfair trade practice complaint against China on the grounds that it has rigged its currency system to keep the yuan undervalued by as much as 40 per cent against the US dollar, giving Chinese products a huge competitive advantage against American goods.

In a second economic report, the Labor Department said the number of Americans filing new claims for unemployment benefits rose by 15,000 last week to a seasonally adjusted level of 352,000. The four-week moving average of claims, which smooths out weekly changes, rose by 4000 to a seven-month high of 352,000.

The report on jobless claims reflects a labor market that is continuing to confound economists' expectations. The country added a lower-than-expected 96,000 jobs in September as the unemployment rate held steady at 5.4 per cent. In August, the trade deficit with China climbed to a record $US18.1 billion ($24.99 billion), pushed higher by a surge in demand for cell phones, toys and games, televisions and VCRs, reflecting efforts by US retailers to stock their shelves in advance of the holiday shopping season.

The administration accuses Kerry of being an "economic isolationist" and argues that its policy of pushing to open foreign markets by negotiating free-trade agreements with other nations represents the best approach to keeping America competitive in a global economy. However, the nation has lost 2.7 million manufacturing jobs over the past four years and some sectors vulnerable to foreign trade such as textiles have been particularly hard hit.
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Postby Annatar » Sat 16 Oct 2004, 09:59:59

Even without peak oil, there will eventually be a stockmarket crash if people do not get their debt under control. Too many people are living beyond their means.
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Postby Permanently_Baffled » Sat 16 Oct 2004, 16:31:49

I think Iron fist is right, and it could be a blessing in disguise, a world recesison caused by a US downturn could ease the oil situation for a few years. Although it only delays the inevitable , but might give me a few more years to clear the mortgage .... 8)
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Postby MonteQuest » Sun 17 Oct 2004, 00:31:22

October 15 – Dow Jones (Steven Vames): “Whether they like it or not, some Federal Reserve policy makers are becoming de facto representatives for the dollar. It has been subtle. A comment here and there that involves the dollar, often stating obvious facts that could just as easily have come from an Economics 101 textbook. They have mostly been related to how the U.S. economy will address the giant current-account deficit. Some have been academic, others more tongue-in-cheek. A prime example came from Dallas Fed President Robert McTeer, who on Oct. 7 mischievously let a New York audience in on a not-so-secret economic theory, by whispering through cupped hands into a live microphone that ‘over time, [b]there’s only one direction for the dollar to go’ and that’s lower.â€
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Postby MonteQuest » Sun 17 Oct 2004, 00:55:56

Credit Bubble Bulletin, by Doug Noland


[quote]With massive U.S. Credit inflation manifesting predictably in a $600 billion annual trade deficit, there is little mystery surrounding the perpetually weak dollar. That the dollar has not been able to rally from a more than 2-year bear market despite strong financial markets, an expanding economy, and $500 billion of Asian central bank purchases over the past 12 months does not portend positive prospects for our currency or markets. Moreover, indications of Monetary Disorder are becoming more conspicuous by the week. Crude oil has spiked to $55, while wild volatility is wreaking increasing havoc in various commodity markets (copper!). Currency markets are becoming increasingly unstable, while the Treasury market is in the midst of a destabilizing “melt-up.â€
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Postby MonteQuest » Thu 21 Oct 2004, 00:24:09

It's a whole new ballgame, folks! Check out these charts:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he world’s central banks are creating too much paper money to allow interest rates to rise. In this new age of fiat money, the rules have changed. From now on, the supply of money will be at least as important as the demand for it in determining interest rates.


http://www.prudentbear.com/archive_comm ... _idx=36909
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Postby big_rc » Thu 21 Oct 2004, 11:32:17

Monte,

Please explain the significance of the post for us economically challenged folks here at PO.com.

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Postby Theo » Thu 21 Oct 2004, 11:32:34

Wait, I'm confused! We don't have enough debt? We need to spend more money to increase our debt so that our trade partners can reinvest their dollars in our debt? I don't get it.
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Postby chris-h » Thu 21 Oct 2004, 12:24:39

I just talked to a friend of mine (that has lots more money than i do) and advised him to sell dollars and buy euro.
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Postby MrBean » Thu 21 Oct 2004, 12:39:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Theo', 'W')ait, I'm confused! We don't have enough debt? We need to spend more money to increase our debt so that our trade partners can reinvest their dollars in our debt? I don't get it.


Truly, it is a beautifull perpetuum mobile, printing machine keeping the interest rates down! Too bad it's broken like all perpetuum mobiles, private capital flows have already turned negative to US, and if and when the Asian central banks stop investing enough dollars back in US, it simply stops moving. US needs about 40-50 billion (what's the more accurate number?) to counter the trade imbalance, and last month got only couple billion above the pain treshold, thanks to 20 billion from Asian central banks. When the foreign capital inflows go clearly below the pain treshold for two or three consecutive months, that triggers a multiple chain reaction which is the end of trust in dollar and the whole Greenspanian faith-based economy. And that is just one way how the perpetum mobile can brake down, there are also others.

So, why would the foreign central banks end the Texan stand-off and stop sending dollars back into US economy? They have little choise, the manufactoring powers have to compete for finite strategic natural resources to keep their economies running, especially oil, and have to send the main bulk of dollars that way, to corrupted regimes of Persian Gulf, Russia, Africa etc, so the dollars end up in Swiss banks, gold, jewelry, real estate, European luxury stuff, etc... :D

Of course this is huge simplification.
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Postby Kingcoal » Thu 21 Oct 2004, 13:42:58

I'm skeptical that the euro will become the new international currency because the Europeans will have to be willing to service the world market with euros (to finance oil purchases for instance) which means they will have to buy A LOT more from other countries than they do now. Unlike the US, which adjusted to being a service economy years ago, there would be huge shocks for European manufacturers, who are used to having the upper hand. Somehow I just can't imagine a German autoworker being told that he's being downsized!

The way I look at it, expensive oil is a currency killer, no matter what currency it might be. Gold is the way to go in my opinion:

http://www.zealllc.com/2004/goldoil4.htm
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Postby Theo » Thu 21 Oct 2004, 14:35:35

Wait, I'm still trying to understand bonds. So what does the yield mean? How is that different from the interest rate? Just taking a stab here, the US Treasury sells $1000.00 T-bills at 4% interest meaning you get $40.00 each year. But if demand for those bonds goes up you buy one for $1100.00 but you're still getting $40.00 so now the yield on them is (using my calculator): 3.64%. So if my model is correct, that would mean demand for bonds is high which would explain the whole not-enough-debt thingy. Now what does this mean again?
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Postby nero » Thu 21 Oct 2004, 15:13:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kingcoal', 'S')omehow I just can't imagine a German autoworker being told that he's being downsized!


No they could just take a leaf out of George W's book and lower taxes, giving the autoworker more to spend on services (as well as manufacturing).

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', 'T')hey have little choise, the manufactoring powers have to compete for finite strategic natural resources to keep their economies running, especially oil, and have to send the main bulk of dollars that way, to corrupted regimes of Persian Gulf, Russia, Africa etc, so the dollars end up in Swiss banks, gold, jewelry, real estate, European luxury stuff, etc... :D


I got this vision of greenbacks being transformed into the worlds ugliest paper mache jewelry. (My point being that the dollars don't "end" up in any of those things they get exchanged for them)
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Postby Theo » Thu 21 Oct 2004, 15:16:17

Okay, I'm going to just keep thinking out loud here.

So if there is high demand for bonds then I guess that means there isn't high confidence in the stock market (US economy) and people would rather put there money into fix income low yield bonds. But if all that says is we have a weak economy, big deal. Isn't the time to worry when they don't want to put their money into the stock market or the bonds and simply try and dump our currency?
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Postby MrBean » Thu 21 Oct 2004, 16:52:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nero', '
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I got this vision of greenbacks being transformed into the worlds ugliest paper mache jewelry. (My point being that the dollars don't "end" up in any of those things they get exchanged for them)


Fair point. Still it is quite likely that some of those dollars vanish in the Swiss banks.

The serious point was, however, that capital flows into US are likely to decrease because the dollars (especially those owned by Chinese) are getting directed into achieving increased controll of worlds natural resources. E.g. Chinese trying to buy energy resources in Canada, etc.

http://www.kitco.com/ind/Daughty/oct202004.html
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Postby MrBean » Thu 21 Oct 2004, 17:53:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Theo', '
')Isn't the time to worry when they don't want to put their money into the stock market or the bonds and simply try and dump our currency?


Sure, just like it's time to worry for PO shortly after it is noticed that whoa, the production capacity is actually decreasing. ;)

Point being, when the foreigners start seriously dumbing dollar, it's bit late to worry...
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Postby MonteQuest » Thu 21 Oct 2004, 19:40:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('big_rc', 'M')onte,

Please explain the significance of the post for us economically challenged folks here at PO.com.

Thanks



With the onset of peak oil, the current monetary system is obsolete without the perceived notion that energy is infinitely available. I harbor the opinion that it is obsolete without peak-oil, in that the mechanisms to stimulate growth do not work anymore. The margin of error has become so small that mistakes create economic discord that becomes harder and harder to fix, and longer and longer to achieve. Alan Greenspan says it quite succinctly:

"If money growth is too rapid, it will have to be reversed, in the hope of achieving a "soft landing." And if it is too restrictive, a recession is unavoidable."

China, for example, with it's currency "pegged" to the dollar (meaning it follows the dollar value) must print Chinese renimbi equal to the cash inflows of the dollar. China is growing at almost 10% a year. huge growth in the money supply. They are trying for a soft landing, but it is a very iffy proposition. The Chinese take this inflow of US dollars from the Wal-Mart consumers and buy US securities financing our debt that gives us the credit to buy more Wal-Mart stuff and so on. Right now, the huge demand for dollars as a result of this huge trade deficit is a much larger demand than is needed to service the goverment debt. It drives interest rates lower and inflates the housing bubble, which people are using to buy even more Wal-Mart stuff. The balloon has to pop some day folks, just like the dot.com bubble did.

What these articles are saying is that the normal checks and balances don't "check and balance" anymore, and the indicators don't "indicate" anymore. It's a whole new ballgame, and it spells an OMINOUS portent for the future.
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Agriculture may add to 2005 trade deficit

Postby frankthetank » Thu 18 Nov 2004, 13:46:25

link $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Agriculture may add to trade deficit By Tim Linden, 11/17/2004:
On Nov. 22, the U.S. Department of Agriculture is scheduled to revise its agricultural trade figures for fiscal 2005, and for the first time in 45 years, it could be a net deficit.

??? THis country has problems!
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Postby lawnchair » Thu 18 Nov 2004, 14:34:46

Impressive indeed.

The US is still 'feeding the world'. We export huge amount of wheat, rice, maize, and derivatives (corn sweetener). These are not things that we get a big $/kCal bang out of, though.

The refusal of many nations to buy US beef is probably helping this trend. Still, I've been very suprised in the last year. More of the fresh produce in North America is from Mexico and South America... a long-running trend. But, in the last year, the cheapest canned fruits (pears, pinapples, strawberries) and even a few vegetables in the 'dollar store' range have been coming from China.

Holy cow... someone's picking a pineapple in China, getting diced and canned and crated, shipped to N.Am (16 ounces of mostly water), distributed and sold for 50cents. (And the can is probably an old Soviet tank, dismantled by Chinese scrap metal vultures). The fossil fuel age is amazing.
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Postby savethehumans » Fri 19 Nov 2004, 01:50:35

Looks like there's no chance for the NON-lunatics to take over the asylum, huh? :razz:
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