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Best Computers accounting for the future

Unread postby mekrob » Mon 14 Aug 2006, 18:39:39

Hey, I'm in college right now (upcoming sophomore-geophysics and other sciences). I have a ThinkPad R52 right now which was issued by my college (UNC). It's getting a little wrecked because of some stupidity on my part. I was planning on getting a new laptop anyway by next year, one that is a bit smaller; ThinkPad's are awfully bulky to be carrying around campus. But the destruction of my current one is pushing that date forward. What would be the best one? I'd prefer it to be at or under a grand (approximately), but under 2k would be fine if the laptop is well worth it. My first thought would be a iBook (roughly $1100).
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Re: Best Computers accounting for the future

Unread postby Lighthouse » Mon 14 Aug 2006, 18:54:07

I use an iBook as my workhorse and get a new one every three years. The OS is great, it never crashes and it is damn fast. No problem with viruses or worms.

My son is a Windows fan. He uses a Dell (don't ask me which one) with similar specs. Looking at how much time he is spending to administer this thing (dealing with viruses and worms, reinstalling Windows XP, changing this setting and fiddling around with that setting whenever he needs to do something else ... you get the picture ... ) I'm happy to have chosen an Apple and strongly recommend it.
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Re: Best Computers accounting for the future

Unread postby mmasters » Mon 14 Aug 2006, 19:19:46

Get a Gateway, they're putting out some of the best quality laptops at the moment. They got a kick ass new one too where you can swivel the screen and write on it, great for presentations! Bill Gates is currently using one.
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Re: Best Computers accounting for the future

Unread postby mekrob » Mon 14 Aug 2006, 21:55:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', 'G')et a Gateway, they're putting out some of the best quality laptops at the moment. They got a kick ass new one too where you can swivel the screen and write on it, great for presentations! Bill Gates is currently using one.


Those are tablets, a form of a laptop. From what I've heard, they aren't worth the cost. You have to write slowly in order for the computer to pick it up. Besides, there's very few reasons to write on a computer when typing is so much faster. There are only a few applications of such: signatures, taking notes in science and math classes, etc. I have no need even if the technology develops to be able to read everything at any rate. Thanks though.

I'll look into Gateways though, it's been a while since I've even heard of them (and not on commercials).

Lighthouse, do you really need a new iBook every three years or would they last much longer?

A problem I might have with Macs is that I'd really like to have one with which I can type in foreign scripts (mainly Arabic). I'm not so sure if iBooks are Arabic-capable...
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Re: Best Computers accounting for the future

Unread postby rwwff » Mon 14 Aug 2006, 22:15:13

If you are getting a laptop, what I do is go into the big office supply store and/or the big computer store and look at the very low end price wise, somewhere in the $500-$700 range, and if its by a half way known company, HP/Compaq IBM Sony, etc; I get it. I buy absolutely nothing else with it. No extended this, no special case that. Just the box, and get out of there as clean as can be. Only rule on "specs" for the laptop is at least 512 meg RAM. Thats plenty, after you strip out all that gunk-ware that is preloaded to autorun.

Next step, after it does its initial configuration, spend the next hour or so stripping out all the try-then-buy software that gets installed on these things; then install AVG, Open Office, and GIMP, and its good to go.

(A lot of family and friends have me do this for them... so I'm pretty used to the drill)
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Re: Best Computers accounting for the future

Unread postby rwwff » Mon 14 Aug 2006, 22:17:22

I'd also seriously look at a Palm/PocketPC critter on Ebay too. Being solid state, they have the potential to last far past TSHTF and can be loaded with various useful documents and software (spreadsheets, topo maps, nav software, ballistics computers, etc...)
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Re: Best Computers accounting for the future

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Mon 14 Aug 2006, 22:30:12

I second rwwff's suggestion on a PPC. I have an Axim x51v right now that runs Windows Mobile 5.0 and has Pocket Word, Excel and PowerPoint. It also has a full VGA screen (640x480), which actually translates to a perceived *higher* resolution than even many flat panel monitors, mainly because of the small (4") screen size. It also has built in WiFi (802.11b) and Bluetooth, which put it head and shoulders above an iPod for functionality's sake, IMHO. The solid state nature of the device is derived from its internal flash ROM/RAM and SD/CF compatibility. I have a 2GB SD in mine right now, and am able to watch DivX videos and listen to mp3s with no discernible lag.

The only drawback to the PPC that I can think of is that it's murder to type on one using the stylus, but you can get a roll-up BT keyboard to solve this problem quite nicely.
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Re: Best Computers accounting for the future

Unread postby Peak_Modernity » Mon 14 Aug 2006, 22:31:11

Check out www.sagernotebook.com while your looking. I have the 3880 and it's great. I can play a good number of recent games, but it also gets almost 4hours on the battery. It's almost the perfect balance of power and portability. Right around $1500 depending on how you configure it. Specs of mine below.

15.4 wide screen glossy 1280X800 (they are running a special right now to upgrade to 1920X1200 for free)
1.86ghz Pentium-M
512 memory (2gig possible)
80gig 5400rpm hd
128mb Invidia Ge-Force Go 6600 graphics card
A,B, and G Wireless
4 in 1 card reader
Built in video camera
DVD Super-multi drive (can burn almost anything)
A ton of ports, none on the back either
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Re: Best Computers accounting for the future

Unread postby Peak_Modernity » Mon 14 Aug 2006, 22:34:25

I forgot to mention, check out www.notebookforums.com for tons of laptop reviews and information. Good luck.
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Re: Best Computers accounting for the future

Unread postby rogerhb » Mon 14 Aug 2006, 23:45:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'I')'d also seriously look at a Palm/PocketPC critter on Ebay too. Being solid state, they have the potential to last far past TSHTF and can be loaded with various useful documents and software (spreadsheets, topo maps, nav software, ballistics computers, etc...)


Ah, EEPROM has a maximum number of writes before it dies.

Everything has a life...

Also look at connectors and especially laptop screen hinges.

Batteries die after around 3 years.

You forgot, these are built for consumers!
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Re: Best Computers accounting for the future

Unread postby rwwff » Tue 15 Aug 2006, 00:12:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'I')'d also seriously look at a Palm/PocketPC critter on Ebay too. Being solid state, they have the potential to last far past TSHTF and can be loaded with various useful documents and software (spreadsheets, topo maps, nav software, ballistics computers, etc...)

Ah, EEPROM has a maximum number of writes before it dies.
Everything has a life...
Also look at connectors and especially laptop screen hinges.
Batteries die after around 3 years.
You forgot, these are built for consumers!


Yes, I know there is write fatigue, but with current tech, that write count is very high. I suspect the limit in a post peak situation will be battery power and connector durability, more than write count. 3yr is a little short, my experience indicates they last longer than that.

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Re: Best Computers accounting for the future

Unread postby tsakach » Tue 15 Aug 2006, 00:31:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'B')atteries die after around 3 years.

Dell is recalling 4.1 million notebook batteries because they can "produce smoke and catch fire":

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The problem is more grievous than Dell will admit.
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Re: Best Computers accounting for the future

Unread postby rogerhb » Tue 15 Aug 2006, 05:25:30

Now that would have been impressive at 20,000ft in an enclosed space.......
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Re: Best Computers accounting for the future

Unread postby Doly » Tue 15 Aug 2006, 05:56:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('tsakach', '
')Dell is recalling 4.1 million notebook batteries because they can "produce smoke and catch fire".


I work in first line support for a company that uses lots of Dell notebooks. They all got their batteries changed because of that. But there wasn't a single instance in the whole of Europe in this multinational company where a battery started smoking or caught fire.

I don't really think that particular problem was very likely at all. Not anywhere near the probability of a hard disk crash. We get those calls every day.
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Re: Best Computers accounting for the future

Unread postby rogerhb » Tue 15 Aug 2006, 06:28:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', 'N')ot anywhere near the probability of a hard disk crash. We get those calls every day.


Normally Joe Salesman or Joseph Manager playing basketball with the company laptop......
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Re: Best Computers accounting for the future

Unread postby strider3700 » Tue 15 Aug 2006, 13:15:58

I write software for rugged handheld PPC's Think ipaq with keyboard in a water/dust proof case. The things are tough as hell and should last 5-10 years except for the batteries. They also cost about $4000 each depending on options.... I've got my take home one when the SHTF but I can't imagine the regular consumer market deciding one is worth keeping.

What ever you get had better be able to accept AA or AAA rechargables though. none of our devices are rated for more then 2 years of daily use on the batteries.
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