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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby Livewire713 » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 14:30:16

I really dont want my lifestyle to change, actually Id like more stuff and a new car with big house to go along with it but I dont think its going to happen. What Im worried about is that the SHTF when Im older. Right now Im in my mid thirties and Im in good physical shape. Not sure what shape Im going to be in when Im 50 or 60. If the sh%t is going to happen, I say bring it on while I can still run.
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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby evilmonkeyspanker » Sun 06 Aug 2006, 00:23:45

I also want the shit to splatter now as well. I am sick of waiting, the sooner everything falls apart the sooner I will be able to stop caring that I am 27 and a miserable failure. Instead I can grab me a fishing pole and thank my good fortune for not having to fall to far. :P
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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby rwwff » Sun 06 Aug 2006, 00:35:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chicken_Little', 'Y')ou obviously won't be happy until you receive a personally signed memo from the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.


Patience!! I haven't even gotten our stationery back from the print shop yet.
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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby catbox » Sun 06 Aug 2006, 02:11:41

nah....I'm just a human.
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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby catbox » Sun 06 Aug 2006, 02:23:00

clueless.....hell comes to your house...boo!
i had a stepmom who ran that bible shit by me for 12 years...
she's now in a mental facility.

fuck off!
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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby Seksi » Sun 06 Aug 2006, 05:41:07

I can never understand the wanting things to progress faster for the worse. But I guess everyone has some people they need to go up to and say "I told you so."
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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby Dukat_Reloaded » Sun 06 Aug 2006, 17:49:51

Bring it on I say. I look forward to not having to goto work anymore.
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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby rwwff » Sun 06 Aug 2006, 17:55:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dukat_Reloaded', 'B')ring it on I say. I look forward to not having to goto work anymore.


Ummmm, unless you're planning on suicide, or a suicidal rampage to inaugurate the pushing of the great RESET button; I think you're going to find out that we've not been going to work at all currently; real work starts when the oil stops.

Post peak, I entirely expect to be required to spend 70-80 hours per week, working as hard as I can push my body, just to keep myself and family alive.
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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby greenworm » Sun 06 Aug 2006, 18:45:02

This is one of those rare occasions where I agree with rwwff. Here's a little exercise for you provided you have the land. Go out and till an acre with a pitchfork and then think about how the hell you are going to do this when your 50 years old. :lol:
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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby rwwff » Sun 06 Aug 2006, 19:05:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', 'T')his is one of those rare occasions where I agree with rwwff. Here's a little exercise for you provided you have the land. Go out and till an acre with a pitchfork and then think about how the hell you are going to do this when your 50 years old.


I'd love to see someone try and till an acre with a pitchfork.

Pitchfork is for pitching horse and cow turds. The tool that'll manually do the job for a well muscled 50 year old without harming joints is a heavy trenching tool. Lift, drop, nudge. Lift, drop, nudge, all day long, we lift, drop, nudge... or starve.

Horse or mule will work better...
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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby greenworm » Sun 06 Aug 2006, 19:21:11

Those things suck! Large pitchfork otherwise known as a broadfork, all the work is done in yours legs not your back or joints, I knew we couldn't agree for too long.

I can get 8 acres of tilling done in under two weeks. You have to feed those animals don't ya? Man, you kill me sometimes.
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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby rwwff » Sun 06 Aug 2006, 19:43:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', 'T')hose things suck! Large pitchfork otherwise known as a broadfork, all the work is done in yours legs not your back or joints, I knew we couldn't agree for too long.


You mean one of these??

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') can get 8 acres of tilling done in under two weeks. You have to feed those animals don't ya? Man, you kill me sometimes.


You let me worry about grazing and maintenance on the horses. I'm more worried about your poor back that you claim not to use while handling that... thing.

Besides, you'll still need those horses to get the harvest to the rail yard or ethanol plant; or do you have some magic formula to get 500 bushels of corn, 5 miles down beaten up roads...

Or wait, maybe, you'll let me and my horses buy that 500 bushels from you at your front gate for half the rate they'll pay at the rail head? I think I smell me a racket to make some money after all.

The thing does look pretty useful for smaller permaculture kind of plots where you want to be careful with the structure of the soil, but I'm having a hard time believing one acre per 16 hours. Maybe really soft, well worked, and no roots??

Darn now I'm curious. Shouldn't show me hand tools. I have this thing about them...... Link
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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby drew » Sun 06 Aug 2006, 20:31:35

Come on, L-R, get outta your funk! I'm carrying on pretty much as normal, you should too. After all what else can one do? All of my 'preparations' are just sound financial planning, which you should be doing anyways. PO or not, USA and Canada are a mess-most people are sky high in debt-and you should work hard to reduce your liabilities and to set aside some cash in the event things become more unpleasant.

For instance:
Cut up your cards;
Sell/get out of lease on new/newer car, especially if it is a gas guzzler;
Sell second car;
Buy a cheap fuel efficient used car;
Lock in your mortgage;
Contribute to 401K for tax break;
Use tax break to pay down mortgage;
Save some money each payday;
Buy a smaller house if you can.

Of course you could do some doomer type preps too!
(just in case)

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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby greenworm » Sun 06 Aug 2006, 21:40:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')arn now I'm curious. Shouldn't show me hand tools. I have this thing about them......


All right, we're friends again. :lol: Very lightweight and yes it is permaculture, the soil is immaculate, top soil is at 2 feet, it has been an organic plot since the 1800's, though probably used for grazing animals back then. However, keep in mind, I'm 6'2 and built like a rock, never stopped playing basketball, so I don't think your average skinny minny would do so well. Why would I grow corn for ethanol? That is like 2 steps forward, three steps back. Plus, the coons annihilate corn around here, only the pesticide crowd grows it for cow feed. I only grow food for the family and the local store down the road. Tomatoes are my specialty, I maintain close to 50 heirlooms, was 100 when I was young and full of life.
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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby rwwff » Sun 06 Aug 2006, 22:52:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', 's')o I don't think your average skinny minny would do so well.

5'8", 210lbs. I be fine. Shorter though. I suspect such a tool could be found of appropriate length so that I don't apply any force through the arms with them above my shoulders....

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy would I grow corn for ethanol? That is like 2 steps forward, three steps back.


I just know what's usually been grown; it doesn't need to be for ethanol. I'm also very concerned about being tied to boutique production, ie, low volume of lots of different and/or unusual vegetables. There is a market for those now; however, if things come unglued I have my doubts whether that market can be sustained.

For now, I have a regular job, and have time to experiment and try different things. Maybe I'll stumble across something else that I think could make some money in the next Great Depression.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') only grow food for the family and the local store down the road. Tomatoes are my specialty, I maintain close to 50 heirlooms, was 100 when I was young and full of life.


What happens to your marketability, when all the fields around you that are now fallow, or lightly grazed by horses, suddenly have folks planting food crops, including tomatos? If your store is paying out 20 cents/lb and the new dude down the road offers to deliver at 10 cents/lb......

I'm much more comfortable with the idea of growing and delivering calorie crops with multiple applications and end users. Racoons, I think I can handle. And deer are delicious. Worst comes to worse, I can always buy some weaned piglets and feed them the corn, and then feed me and mine with the resulting pig.
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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby greenworm » Mon 07 Aug 2006, 00:02:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd deer are delicious.


They are the spawn of satan round here, they carry ticks that contain lyme disease. And that my friend is why there won't be too many gardeners in a collapse scenario if we have no access to antibiotics. It is a real problem up here, it nearly ended me one year, feels like the flu times a hundred, not fun. This was the first year where I have seen farmers peddling their produce on the main drag, I don't feel threatened, I am more of a hobby grower and as you know you get taxed if you sell too much. :lol: I actually get excited when I see stands pop up, in fact last year I came across a little lad who was selling cherry tomatoes and he was all excited to explain to me how they were organic and what he used to grow them. So I bought them all! I think I got 5 lbs of seeds out of it. I fear most of the pastures will be surburbia before they are beautiful fields of produce. Sad, but true. BTW, get the fork with the longer tongs if your soil is soft, you'll thank me. The back doesn't get effected, but I will say the knees will get a little sore, but that is probably after the 4th acre is done.
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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby rwwff » Mon 07 Aug 2006, 00:46:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd deer are delicious.


They are the spawn of satan round here, they carry ticks that contain lyme disease. And that my friend is why there won't be too many gardeners in a collapse scenario if we have no access to antibiotics.


At one time there was a vaccine against Lyme and now I read it was withdrawn a few years ago because the disease is treatable with antibiotics. Crud. That sucks.

Maybe their patent will run out before a collaspe occurs and it'll get produced again. Still, I'm not as worried about a collapse that far down; I worry more about making it through the depression years that would preceed it. We could have twenty years of a sputtering, limping economy; and I'd really like to ride those out, along with the remaining years of my life, on land that has been in the family for a very long time. If I could successfully pass that on to my daughter and her family, I would consider my life a success.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') fear most of the pastures will be surburbia before they are beautiful fields of produce. Sad, but true.
I think a lot of rural folks share this fear. Last thing you want to see is one of your neighboring plots subdivided into half acre homesights full of tresspassing kids, and whiney adults. "eewwww that smells.."

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')TW, get the fork with the longer tongs if your soil is soft, you'll thank me.
Thanks. It is quite soft in general, but its not been worked for gardening in over two decades Gently grazed with gradual inputs of purchased hay, but otherwise left fallow. This winter will be the first time its been deeply dug by anyone, and I'll be doing it to plant fruit trees to hedge against long term needs. I might do an initial french square as well, if time permits.; could plant that with winter wheat just to see what happens.
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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby clueless » Mon 07 Aug 2006, 11:45:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('catbox', 'c')lueless.....hell comes to your house...boo!
i had a stepmom who ran that bible shit by me for 12 years...
she's now in a mental facility.

fuck off!


I can tell by your posts you are a very well adjusted, peaceful, stable young man...

As I have said before, my hope does not lie in this world, so "Hell coming to my house" doesn't bother me a whole lot. Want to function a little better in your sustainable world ? Try venting your hatred from some repressed childhood experience some other way. You never know some Christian someday just may save your life...

I put it to you Catboxx - WWBD ? (what would Bob do ?)
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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby pedalling_faster » Mon 07 Aug 2006, 16:09:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('LadyRuby', 'I')'m just getting tired of it all, burnt out on oil. Sick of waiting for something to happen. And that goes for the dollar too. I could be waiting like this for ten years. Anyone else feel like that?


i think there is something psychological & physiological going on, where those of us who are FTW subscribers get our daily dose of bad news - and it is somehow, strangely, relaxing.

once i tried getting stitches on a cut above my right eye, with no anaesthetic. the last one was the worst, with that stitch there was more anticipation and i felt a lot more anxiety.

sometimes i feel like i'm wading through mud, too, because i don't know how to prepare. so i do my best - i feel my anxiety building after i listen to several news articles that relate to the declining dollar, i feel better after i've taken some kind of constructive action (buying silver being one example).

of course, i feel even better if i buy on the low price.

i think taking action is one of the best ways to deal with the anxiety of Peak Oil. for example, looking at property in the locale that you've been telling yourself is sustainable.

but, you can only do so much. then it's escape time. for me that means drawing stuff, or listening to books on tape, or, my favorite, going with a friend with a baby girl to the park to feed the ducks.
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Re: Sick of it all...

Unread postby Atlantean_Relic » Tue 08 Aug 2006, 00:38:38

Maybe you just want the social fabric to breakdown so you can go on that killing rampage you always dreamed off. Sucking the blood out of the corpses of decapitated babies. All without law or mores of society holding you back.
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