[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('omgwtfbyobbq', 'T')he only problem with Jevon's paradox is that it ignores the idea that excess consumption is encouraged by those who control the resource in order to maximise profit.

[omgwtfbyobbq]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'S')o, we outlaw advertising? Capitalism?

Jevon's Paradox looks at the free market system and observed reality.

Put something on sale and people will buy more of it.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('omgwtfbyobbq', ' ')There is no such thing as a free market system strictly speaking.

[omgwtfbyobbq]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'A')nd since we are not "strictly speaking"; put something on sale and people will buy more of it. Nit-picking definitions does not regate reality, nor 150 years of empirical data to support it.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('omgwtfbyobbq', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'A')nd since we are not "strictly speaking"; put something on sale and people will buy more of it. Nit-picking definitions does not regate reality, nor 150 years of empirical data to support it.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('omgwtfbyobbq', ' ')So I ask you, how can Jevon's paradox observe a reality based on an ideal system such as the "free market" that has never existed? Since the "free market" cannot exist, any use of it to justify the existence of Jevon's paradox is not logical.

[omgwtfbyobbq]

Listing instances is just that, but it's not exactly useful when discussing something like Jevon's paradox. It's best to define what we're talking about, otherwise there's no point in talking about it because we don't know if we're talking about the same thing.

From what I've gathered, Jevon's paradox states that any the use of any finite resource increases with efficiency, correct? Now here's where I run into a problem, which I hope you can resolve.
-What is a resource?
-Over what time period is use considered to take place?
-Is the increase in use brought about by the increase in efficiency over time monotonic? Or does an increase in use simply consitute a single measure of use in the future that's greater then the use in the present, provided efficiency has increased of course.

[DrChaos]

With increased efficiency, Japanese drive more efficient cars, and as far as I am aware, they don't drive two or three of them at a time.

[Aaron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DrChaos', 'W')ith increased efficiency, Japanese drive more efficient cars, and as far as I am aware, they don't drive two or three of them at a time.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('omgwtfbyobbq', 'L')isting instances is just that, but it's not exactly useful when discussing something like Jevon's paradox.

[Aimrehtopyh]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('omgwtfbyobbq', 'F')rom what I've gathered, Jevon's paradox states that any the use of any finite resource increases with efficiency, correct? Now here's where I run into a problem, which I hope you can resolve.
-What is a resource?

[tsakach]

After slogging through the equivalent of 1/2 semesters worth of Energy Economics 101, I feel like I have come to terms with Jevons paradox. This came up before somewhere in this thread, but a newer version of Jevon's Paradox exists known as the Khazzoom-Brookes postulate:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')Economic theory predicts, and the historical record for most of this century suggests, that increased energy efficiency at the microeconomic level while leading to a reduction of energy use at this level, leads not to a reduction, but instead to an increase in energy use, at the national, or macroeconomic level."

[omgwtfbyobbq]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'I') never use strawman attacks, thank you. "A straw man argument is a logical fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent."

Since I did no such thing, what are earth are you talking about?

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('omgwtfbyobbq', 'I') never stated that people would not buy more of something if it was put on sale. You responded by affirming a statement you made earlier, which I did not oppose.

[omgwtfbyobbq]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', ']')Does your mind really think this way? Since Jevon's Paradox came about as the result of observation, and that observation can, and has been repeated for over 150 years, it most certainly can be a predictive power.

When I say it is not a prediction, I mean it is not an unproven theory or forecast of things to come. Jevon's Paradox wouldn't exist if not for observed reality following efficieincy gains. If I wasn't clear, then ask for clarification. To post what you did seems to be a useless rejoinder.

[tsakach]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'W')hen I say it is not a prediction, I mean it is not an unproven theory or forecast of things to come.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('omgwtfbyobbq', ' ')Yes, my mind does. Any theory can be a predictive power, however, unless a theory is proven logically, it may or may not be accurate. You also state it can be a predictive power, but is not a forecast of things to come, these seem contradictory, could you elaborate?

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('tsakach', ' ')Is Jevon's Paradox a proven theory?

[omgwtfbyobbq]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'I') said it was not an unproven theory or forecast. Both are proven.

[tsakach]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('tsakach', ' ')Is Jevon's Paradox a proven theory?