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Re: Hello from an Oil Company Employee.

Unread postby tarzan271 » Mon 31 Jul 2006, 11:09:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Torjus', 'J')ust to clarify the wolf thing. When was the last time someone got killed by a wolf in your country???


In North America there have been 28 confirmed attacks and 1 death, which was in November of 2005. The death was a result of a pack of 4 wolves attacking an adult.

I agree that most of the attacks are a result of humans, but we are here to stay. I also understand that attacks are rare. As I stated before, knowledge and preperation are very important when going into the wilderness.

People also need to understand that wolf controll by the Department of Fish and Game isn't because of fear of wolf attacks on humans. It is to controll other animals such as Moose and Caribou. In some areas of Alaska, wolves are greatly threatening the survival of Moose. Fish and Game has to control the quickly escillating wolf population by shooting wolves from helicopters. They also want to legalize "fly and shoot" hunting and trapping of wolves to control the population. Their goal it to protect a balanced animal population, not to remove a so called wolf threat. Their plan is being fought by animal protection groups from other states (PETA, Green Peace, Sierra Club) that feel any hunting is wrong no matter the reason. Both sides are exagerating the facts to achieve their goals. The truth is somewhere in between.
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Re: Hello from an Oil Company Employee.

Unread postby TorrKing » Mon 31 Jul 2006, 14:18:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('tarzan271', '
')People also need to understand that wolf controll by the Department of Fish and Game isn't because of fear of wolf attacks on humans. It is to controll other animals such as Moose and Caribou. In some areas of Alaska, wolves are greatly threatening the survival of Moose.


Wolves cannot cause the extinction of either of the animals you have mentioned. When their prey become very scarce they start killing eachother or starving to death. Because of that their population goes in cycles. The only way they would become extinct is if the humans, with their overly effective guns, kill the last of the prey-animals when they are at their cyclic low.

That is how all animals work. Prey becomes plentiful, hunter becomes plentiful. Prey becomes few and subsequently so does the hunters. It's only the humans who have broken this rule. We use technology to adapt to using new resources when prey is far between.

It is time for us to learn that we too are bound by the shackles of our mortal existance! :twisted:

Torjus Gaaren :)
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Re: Hello from an Oil Company Employee.

Unread postby tarzan271 » Mon 31 Jul 2006, 17:37:45

You do make some very good points. However, since humans can think critically unlike other animals, what is wrong with us controlling the population of predators so we too may be able to harvest the prey. As long as we plan and don't abuse our advantages, all predators can use the resources.
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Re: Hello from an Oil Company Employee.

Unread postby ClubOfRomeII » Mon 31 Jul 2006, 17:50:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClubOfRomeII', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
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We will fight.


Okay. Well, perhaps I have more confidence in people changing their behavior faster and easier than you think then.

S'all right.


Your confidence is easily dismissed by human history.

You must be young. :)


Far from it, my confidence is because we've conquered everything which has come down the pike to date and lack of a single transport fuel ( which hasn't even HAPPENED yet I might add ) hardly strikes me as a good reason to pretend Ehrlich was right...20 years after he was proven wrong.
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Re: Hello from an Oil Company Employee.

Unread postby MonteQuest » Mon 31 Jul 2006, 19:07:44

No speech is censored here.

We do have posting rules, though.

Read our Code of Conduct.

http://peakoil.com/fortopic2867.html
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Re: Hello from an Oil Company Employee.

Unread postby MonteQuest » Mon 31 Jul 2006, 19:19:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClubOfRomeII', 'F')ar from it, my confidence is because we've conquered everything which has come down the pike to date and lack of a single transport fuel ( which hasn't even HAPPENED yet I might add ) hardly strikes me as a good reason to pretend Ehrlich was right...20 years after he was proven wrong.


I'm not talking about technology. I'm talking about the history of human nature.

And it isn't just a single transport fuel. It's petrochemicals, plastics; the thousands of things made from petroleum...with no viable alternative on the horizon.

Peakoil is tomorrow in planning terms. Even if we could, there isn't time.
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Re: Hello from an Oil Company Employee.

Unread postby MonteQuest » Mon 31 Jul 2006, 19:23:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClubOfRomeII', ' ')Far from it, my confidence is because we've conquered everything which has come down the pike to date ..


That's a bit of stretch.

We haven't conquered poverty.

Or war.

Or Famine.

Or global warming.

Or pollution.

Or loss of biodiversity.

Or loss of topsoil.

Or the common cold....

Nor made finite resources infinite.
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Re: Hello from an Oil Company Employee.

Unread postby ClubOfRomeII » Mon 31 Jul 2006, 20:04:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClubOfRomeII', ' ')Far from it, my confidence is because we've conquered everything which has come down the pike to date ..


A)We haven't conquered poverty.
B)Or war.
C)Or Famine.
D)Or global warming.
E)Or pollution.
F)Or loss of biodiversity.
G)Or loss of topsoil.
H)Or the common cold....
I)Nor made finite resources infinite.


Your assumption is these things need conquering apparently.

I would argue that the progress we have made from spear chucking monkey to standing on the moon have not required conquering any of the items you have mentioned.

Otherwise, obviously, we would either have conquered them, or we wouldn't have been able to succeed to the level we have in just the past few thousand years.
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Re: Hello from an Oil Company Employee.

Unread postby MonteQuest » Mon 31 Jul 2006, 20:17:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClubOfRomeII', ' ')Your assumption is these things need conquering apparently.

I would argue that the progress we have made from spear chucking monkey to standing on the moon have not required conquering any of the items you have mentioned.


Until now. You can only kick the can or externalize the costs for so long.

Time to pay the piper is way overdue.
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Re: Hello from an Oil Company Employee.

Unread postby JPL » Mon 31 Jul 2006, 20:22:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClubOfRomeII', ' ')Far from it, my confidence is because we've conquered everything which has come down the pike to date ..


That's a bit of stretch.

We haven't conquered poverty.

Or war.

Or Famine.

Or global warming.

Or pollution.

Or loss of biodiversity.

Or loss of topsoil.

Or the common cold....

Nor made finite resources infinite.


Hi 'M',

I was born back in the 60's and my parents & I did the commune/alternative thing until about '72. It was a nice time ;o)

I spent a bit of time in the late 80's backpacking around India & stuff and that was a bit of a learning curve, but worthwhile in terms of 'inner development'. You know the sketch, I expect...

Everything in your list was totally predicatable, even back then. Roll on time to now, I've got my bit of land, my wood-fired heating, my organic veg plot, a lovely hippy wife & 3 kids that build dens in the orchard.

I have put a lot of posts into this forum trying to explain where I'm coming from & I'm starting to feel that I'm getting nowhere. Part of the problem is, I 'have' an agenda & a solution, but, I'm not a good coummicator so I now feel a bit lost in the debate. I'm thinking about giving up on the whole issue and going back to my veg plot.

Any last-minute thoughts, chaps?

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Re: Hello from an Oil Company Employee.

Unread postby MonteQuest » Mon 31 Jul 2006, 20:39:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', ' ')Any last-minute thoughts, chaps?

JPL


"Cast not your pearls before the swine."

Pick your audience. Ignore your detractors.

Surround yourself with Macgyvers. :)
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Re: Hello from an Oil Company Employee.

Unread postby JPL » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 19:22:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', ' ')Any last-minute thoughts, chaps?

JPL


"Cast not your pearls before the swine."

Pick your audience. Ignore your detractors.

Surround yourself with Macgyvers. :)


Hi Monte,

Thanks. I still think my time here is done.

The 'blight' hit our potatoes a couple of days ago and we have been working like hell to get them in, now finally all stashed in the barn and although I have had plenty of time to think about the issue, no time to reply.

Now, finally having some time to think, my final thoughts are these:

There is an immense gulf to cross between those that are living a self-sufficient, green lifestyle and those see their society as 'about to collapse' and suddenly want to leap on the boat that's already pole-ing away from the shore.

For me, P.O. is part of a larger picture and unless people have already 'got it' then there is no point in continuing this conversation - at presant.

As far as I can work out, I can come back into this conversation in about 2 years time and explain again about the logic behind my veg plot, my chickens and my windmills.

Till then, guys...

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