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Trader's Corner 2006

Discussions about the economic and financial ramifications of PEAK OIL

Where will the price of WTIC oil be on December 29, 2006?

Less than $50
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Around $55
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Around $60
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Around $65
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Around $70
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More than $80
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby MrBill » Mon 17 Jul 2006, 05:08:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('drew', 'H')ey Mr Bill, you could always put some gold in that portfolio....

of course, it seems not to care about the sentiments to which you referred..

(I noticed that too, yesterday...and it was nice to see my gold carry the weight for my oils, which were kinda flat)


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You probably won't believe me, but during the Russian Crisis in 1998, I was substantially long USD denominated gold at under $300 an ounce (+/- $285?) against my ruble/hyrvnia short local currency position. I only sold my long physical gold position afterwards because it was costing me $1 per ounce per month to roll-it forwards. Still $96 per ounce to roll it for 8-years is a steep enough cost of carry, if back in 1998 you were not bullish commodities, which only started to take-off in 1999/2001.

It is probably me, I am just not a gold bull, and now that I have taken in some of the arguments, especially as linked to money supply growth, well, the price is too high for me to buy here. I would however continue to look for buys on the mining stocks side if I see some bargains. Or if the market retraces again as I did with the oil & gas companies in JUne.

UPDATE: front month Brent crude dropped from $78 to $76 in minutes as headline said Isreal may stop incursions into Lebanon soon, but recovered back to $7725 later when the rumor was denied by Isreal and news of a Isreal F-16 was shot down hit the markets. This overshadowed OPEC demand data showing a decrease in 2007 demand....
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')orld oil demand growth is now expected to rise 1.4 million barrels of oil equivalent a day in 2006, and by 1.3 million barrels of oil equivalent in 2007. The oil cartel said the crude demanded from it will be around 600,000 barrels a day less than last year, if its forecasts come true.
End update.



$80 certainly looks doable in the front month without causing too many problems, so the range rachets up from $70-75 to $75-80 and we have yet to find the price level where behavior is substantially curtailed? Although others like Brad Setser are alluding to reduced or plateaued demand (but I argue it is not transparent enough to be called the start of a trend)....

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ') Brad, RE DOE inventory nos. on Wednesday. They were quite a big draw of -6 mio bbls of crude and imports down down as well. But these numbers are really hard to reconcile.

Gasoline demand is up 1.7% per year at 9.56 mbpd
Distillate demand (diesel) is up 3.3% per year at 4.12 mbpd
Total demand is down -1.6% to 20.82 mbpd
But gasoline + distillate demand = 13.68 mbpd
While Total demand = 20.82 mbpd or a 7.14 mbpd difference?

Without any sort of breakdown of where that demand destruction is coming from how does one evaluate whether it is real, a plug, temporary, price sensitive, structural change, or what?

I would say that manufacturing may be using less crude in its processes, but the strong gasoline & diesel demand is showing that transport fuels are still strong on the back of an expanding economy and lack of alternatives, even if natural gas, hydro electric, coal and other alternatives may be taking some demand away on the stationary fuel side?

I just do not feel comfortable with the overall numbers to draw conclusions from them?

Written by MrBill on 2006-07-14 05:47:01
Brad Setzer's Blog


.... but maybe it is just me being thick? I think realistically we have about $20 in geopolitical risk premium built into the current price of crude oil, and we could see $100 just as easily as $60 if events in the ME escalate far enough that Iran feels compelled to boycott its own exports to defend the interests of Syria/Hizbollah and/or blocks the Strait of Hormuz.

Even without a big interuption, there will be weather and refinery related outages this summer to keep the price premium for spot gasoline high enough to support the complex if demand in the USA continues to expand at 1.5-3.5% for gasoline and diesel. We may see these twin premiums deflate if events in the ME subside AND we make it through the summer driving season without too many hurricanes or refinery fires, while high prices begin to chip away at that marginal demand on the stationary power side where we can and do have some flexibility of supply and alternatives, as opposed to the transport fuel side where this is not yet viable.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ne of the reasons why, in the absence of such demand disruptions, the economic effects of energy price increases should be manageable can be seen from the following argument. Suppose that somebody was previously paying x dollars for their energy bill, and energy prices then go up by y percent. One option for that person is just to go on doing everything pretty much as they were before, spending now xy more dollars on energy and reducing saving or spending on other products by only that amount. With the U.S. currently using about 7.5 billion barrels of oil each year, a $10/barrel increase amounts to $75 billion, which represents a little over half a percent of our $13 trillion GDP. For comparison, an economic recession typically results in a loss of somewhere around 5% of GDP. Something more than the direct loss of purchasing power is needed to produce a full-scale recession.
Can the economy shrug off $80 oil?

Have a good week and will post later. Cheers.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby MrBill » Thu 20 Jul 2006, 04:23:35

Yesterday DOE numbers were as bearish as last week's numbers were bullish. Still the market has given up a lot of its gains from its highs with relative little in the way of hard news other than the bad kind out of the ME.

Crude +0.2K to 335.5 mio vs 3 yr ave 299 mio bbls
Distillates +1.2 mio to 131.1 mio vs 3 yr ave 117 mio bbls
Gasoline +1.5 mio to 214.2 mio vs 3 yr ave 209 mio bbls
Refinery Runs +2.4% to 92.9% vs 92.8% YOY

MPTS up to 10.7 mbpd
Product MPTS down 211K to 3.44 mbpd


Gasoline DMD +1.9% to 9.6 mbpd
Distillate (diesel) DMD +4.8% to 4.14 mbpd

(continued increase in transport fuel demand on the back of an expanding economy and lack of viable alternatives)
TTL DMD -1.7% to 20.69 mbpd
(reduction in stationary fuel demand from manufacturing as it switches to natural gas, coal, hydro-electric, etc. in response to higher fuel prices)

With events in the ME continuing to add uncertainty surrounding Iran and its support of Syria and Hizbollah I cannot be complacent about seemingly higher inventories in the USA. Especially as we have seen Chinese demand is up 16% YOY as their economy has expanded 11.3% in H1'06. Given a rapid growth in China and their relative fuel inefficiencies (4X OECD average fuel inputs to manufacturing output) this will push global demand upwards despite higher prices.

Also, refining margins are supportive for the crude. Unleaded gasoline margins are $19.50 and total crack margins between $15.50/16.50, so very healthy.

As well the lower US dollar should be supportive after Bernanke comments that although inflation is high, a cooling US economy should curb price pressures. This lead markets to speculate that after August's Fed hike to 5.5% that they may pause and let events catch-up to earlier tightening while they reassess. In my mind, now is not the time to take the foot off the brake, so long as external prices pressures for credit, energy and bases metals remain firm. Better to stay ahead of the curve and then ease if they overshoot and data begins to support a slowdown scenario. Some extra belt tightening would also encourage more domestic saving in the USA and help address the US external current account deficit. Not a bad thing given high oil prices in any case.

Not much to add here. Just try to go with the momentum in this headline driven market while trying to hold onto wins when direction suddenly changes. Mine is not to ask but why, mine is to buy or sell or die.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby MrBill » Thu 20 Jul 2006, 08:31:21

Having trouble to post this afternoon, so thought I would try this thread and see if it works? Here are some supply & demand numbers out of China.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')BEIJING, July 20 (Xinhua) -- China produced 91.664 million tons of crude oil in the first 6 months of the year, a rise of 2.1 percent on the corresponding period last year, said sources with the China Petroleum and Chemical Industry Association (CPCIA) Thursday.

Output of refined oil products was 84.822 million tons, up 5.6 percent year on year, the CPCIA told Xinhua.

According to the statistics of the General Administration of Customs, China's net imports of crude oil was 70.33 million tons in the first six months, up 17.6 percent year on year and that of refined oil products, 12.03 million tons with a growth of 48.3 percent.

The apparent consumption of crude oil, representing the sum of net imports and output, is 161.994 million tons, 8.2 percent up on the same period last year, and that of refined oil products, 96.852 million tons, up 19.2 percent.

Both the output and apparent consumption of crude oil and refined oil products hit a record high in the first six months."

China produces 91.664m tons crude oil in 1st half year


This article with some informative graphs (so read it) links back to the apparent paradox that demand is still growing for transport fuels despite higher prices and explains why?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hus, the rise in gasoline prices since 2002 has had an impact on gasoline demand, keeping it from being even higher than it is. Economists and oil market analysts should be relieved to realize that basic assumptions, such as the notion that high prices should restrain demand (from levels that would otherwise be reached), still remain true, even if at first glance it appears that high prices are having no impact. Undoubtedly, recent changes in gasoline markets, such as the rapid phase-out of MTBE from the gasoline supply, has created new challenges for data collection, and the weekly data is always subject to revision as the more complete monthly data is reported to EIA. However, available data suggest that gasoline prices have not yet reached a level high enough to result in an absolute decline in demand, particularly given a robust economy.
High Gasoline Prices Do Restrain Demand

We just have not gone high enough to make wholesale lifestyle changes or re-engineer our basic economies in response to higher prices. Ah, the dismal science's reputation is saved!
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby Chaparral » Sat 22 Jul 2006, 13:43:17

Anyone think gold should take a steep fall this week? I'm waiting to short but this ground war seems to be complicating things. If I do short, I will be only playing with one or two contracts at a time. Last week I played around in both directions but took profits very timidly after only 5 or 6 dollar moves.

Corn seems like it might be good for another 10 cent drop and Chicago white wheat seems like a good bet to short as well. Took profit last Wed at 4090 and it went right back up to 4260.

Still long on CL and HU. The only way I'll short those is if they hit 7900 or 23500 again. There are too many geopolitical, meterological and refinery maintanence gremlins out there.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby MrBill » Mon 24 Jul 2006, 07:12:10

The latest from Goldman Sachs
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')nergy Weekly
Commodities
Reduced savings cannot continue to accommodate stronger US oil demand

Oil prices declined as concerns over a broader Mid-East conflict eased

Oil prices sold off sharply this week as concerns over Iran and Syria entering the Israel-Lebanon conflict have eased, at least temporarily, reducing the likelihood of an oil supply disruption.
More importantly, however, prices today are now lower than they were before the political risks escalated last week, underscoring our view that prices near $75/bbl were driven more by a combination of rising costs for long-term projects and near-term global demand strength for commodities than by the current geopolitical situation.

Global economic activity remains strong as US demand growth rises

Despite concerns over growth in the US, US demand growth for transportation fuels continued to rise this week, gaining more momentum after several months of extremely weak growth.
Outside of the US, Chinese economic growth continues to gain momentum, with 2Q2006 GDP reported at an exceptionally strong 11.3% pace yoy.

Further, recent strength in Euroland industrial production and manufacturing provides additional evidence of modest acceleration in Europe while the strong July Tankan survey for Japanese manufacturers suggests Japanese business confidence remains high.

US savings rate has accommodated the sharp rise in energy prices

In an environment of rising house prices and thereby rising household wealth, US households have so far used their savings as a buffer for recent energy prices fluctuations.

However, given the already sharp reduction in the savings rate, as the housing market slows and consumers come to accept that higher energy prices are not transient, then to maintain the current level of energy consumption either income will need to rise or the demand for other goods and services will need to be curtailed. As income is not likely to accelerate, the most likely outcome is that the demand growth for both energy and other goods and services will slow.

As a result, there will be a greater dependency on the rest of the world as the driver of energy demand.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby cube » Mon 24 Jul 2006, 14:56:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chaparral', '.')..
Corn seems like it might be good for another 10 cent drop and Chicago white wheat seems like a good bet to short as well.
...
If it's okay to ask.
Chaparral do you day or swing trade?

The reason why I ask is because these commentaries make a world of a difference in meaning depending whether you plan on holding onto something either for 1 day or 1 month.

I prefure to swing trade but that's just me. You spend less on commission fees. 8)
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby truecougarblue » Mon 24 Jul 2006, 16:26:22

I'm in the period of the month now where I really need to steel myself to avoid doing something stupid.

I agree that the Israeli thing is gumming up my model in the short term but especially because of this I think the time to short has passed this cycle. ( I say as I leave money on the table. )
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby MrBill » Tue 25 Jul 2006, 04:15:12

Hourly & daily charts both pointing higher after yesterday's lows on the back of ME & supply concerns, especially with some refinery fires and outages that are supporting unleaded spreads at +$21 per barrel and crack spreads between $15.85 and $17.50.

As is so often the case the low of the current move transpired with the maturity of the August WTI contract and due to the wider roll from August to September, on the continuation charts it looks like a gap higher. Enough to turn the technicals in any case.

Ironically, or perhaps dishonestly, PVDSA first indicated that there was no serious damage from their refinery fire and now it comes to light that the largest refiner in that area of world maybe down for 5-6 months. Thanks a lot guys! Bolivar idiots!!

Interesting enough, UBS has been introducing new structured products fast & furious, like the 'Oilfield' structured note that I spoke about earlier. Today they are sending me something new that is quite simple & brilliant for all you doomers & goldbugs in the crowd.

A 'Panic Bond on Crude and Gold'. One year USD bond that pays a 14% coupon (versus UST at 5%) if WTI crude breaches $100 per barrel (it does not have to stay up there, just move through this price level). A 8.25% coupon if gold breaches $750 per ounce. And a coupon of 17.5% if WTI crude breaches $100 AND Gold breaches $750. The note is 100% principle guaranteed at the end of one year so your downside is a zero percent return. No loss, no gain.

According to Jim Rogers, it is a sure thing! ; - )
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby Doly » Tue 25 Jul 2006, 04:20:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', '
')A 'Panic Bond on Crude and Gold'.


!!!!

I didn't know there were enough doomer investors to justify this.

I assume that whoever releases this bond is expecting that neither of these things will happen, and in that case they'll make a profit. Am I right?
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby MrBill » Tue 25 Jul 2006, 04:24:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', '
')A 'Panic Bond on Crude and Gold'.


!!!!

I didn't know there were enough doomer investors to justify this.

I assume that whoever releases this bond is expecting that neither of these things will happen, and in that case they'll make a profit. Am I right?


They will hedge themselves using knock-out options and/or delta hedge their underlying position, so really they are just calculating the odds of such an event or events happening and then taking a neutral risk position against the eventuality. They will make money by selling such notes and earning a small sales commission, plus having an underlying position to trade around.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby MrBill » Tue 25 Jul 2006, 04:33:10

Other inflation hedged notes
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')oday, inflation is a mere shadow of what it once was: 4.3% on the Consumer Price Index versus nearly 15% in 1980.
There is small chance that the U.S. will suffer through anything like that in the foreseeable future. Still, it makes sense to have some inflation-fighting assets in your investment portfolio.
Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities -- or TIPS -- are bonds that adjust to match inflation. The principal of a TIPS increases or decreases with the Consumer Price Index for Urban Consumers, published by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Since TIPS pay interest twice a year at a fixed rate, if the principal increases, so do your payments.
When the TIPS mature, you reap the adjusted or original principal, whichever is greater.
You can buy TIPS for a minimum of $1,000 through a broker or a bank or directly from the Treasury by going online
Investing to ward off inflation


By the way, Doly, GE has taken a short-term pounding on the back of a weaker broader market that has punished even those firms that make or exceed their earnings forecasts, but GE did turn in some good core numbers from all its operations (outside of NBC which is not core for sure), so I am still longer term positive on GE as a defensive play in these turbulent markets.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby MrBill » Tue 25 Jul 2006, 11:06:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')BC, 25.07.2006, Moscow 16:43:46.The last deal with Urals crude August futures amounted to USD70.60 per barrel as of 3:45 p.m. today, which is 3.11 percent higher than yesterday's closing price. The spread on deals was USD96.00-70.85 per barrel. The absolute record high on Urals deals is USD72.09 per barrel, registered on July 14, 2006.

Urals crude has been rising on the RTS today amid low trading activity and low trade volume. There have been only five deals since the session's opening today, which is three times less than at the same time of the previous trading session The trade volume is also low today, having reached RUR773,375 (approx. USD28,728), which is more than five times less than at the previous trading session.

Oil futures are advancing on global markets, too, though not so rapidly as on the RTS. This increase may be attributed to the threat of a halt to oil supplies from the Middle East and the reduction of oil products supplies to the US domestic market.
Urals crude going up on RTS

Wow, when I traded on the Winnipeg Commodity Exchange I was used to being 60-80% of the open interest in some contracts, but to put this in perspective, if I were to transfer my volume from the ICE to the RTS right now, and we are members of the RTS, then my daily trading volume would be 100X the current RTS volume.

Why do I bring this up? Because in a few days you may read about the petrol-ruble in the context of the IOB and the petrol-euro, and I want you to have an idea about the size of the deals involved so you can judge the facts on their own merit. That is not even to touch on the technical details of physical delivery or other problems like economies of size and other boring issues.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby cube » Tue 25 Jul 2006, 13:23:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', '.')..
According to Jim Rogers, it is a sure thing! ; - )
I assume you were being sly Mr. Bill

In the world of speculation I think you and I, and everyone else here knows the only sure thing is an early grave. Some notable examples:

Jesse Livermore
Munehisa Homma
Arthur Cutten

Not to scare any potential new recruits but.....Traders do NOT live a long life. However they make up for it by living an "interesting" life. :P
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby Chaparral » Tue 25 Jul 2006, 13:32:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', '
')Chaparral do you day or swing trade?

The reason why I ask is because these commentaries make a world of a difference in meaning depending whether you plan on holding onto something either for 1 day or 1 month.

I prefure to swing trade but that's just me. You spend less on commission fees. 8)


I prefer to swing trade as well. I might make 100 trades per month and I might hold some of those positions for the better part of 3 weeks or even 5. Maybe 10% of my positions are opened and closed within 24 to 28 hours and those are mostly gold or forex.

I try and avoid the vig,uhh, I mean commission fees. Mr leverage will make me a pot of gold and Mr. vig will gobble it all up.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby Chaparral » Tue 25 Jul 2006, 13:35:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('truecougarblue', 'I')'m in the period of the month now where I really need to steel myself to avoid doing something stupid.

I agree that the Israeli thing is gumming up my model in the short term but especially because of this I think the time to short has passed this cycle. ( I say as I leave money on the table. )



Ditto. I was going to short the heck out of gold, crude, unleaded but all bets are off. I think I should handcuff myself to the fence posts far away from the computer till all this has blown over. Yesterday's gold and dollar action threw me off. That's not to say that I was certain enough over the weekend to even jump into the water however.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby rwwff » Tue 25 Jul 2006, 15:23:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'N')ot to scare any potential new recruits but.....Traders do NOT live a long life. However they make up for it by living an "interesting" life. :P


Yeah, a life full of eating Tums(R) by the bottle full, racing heart rates, chewed and bleeding fingernails, and a sensation of terror and/or glee as the mouse hovers over the commit button.

I bailed after six months. Honestly, I didn't really do much better than the average mutual fund managers anyway, and was making myself sick in the process. Now, I don't even read the annual reports they send. I just keep the quaterly price history / annual reconciliations updated in quicken, and otherwise try very hard to ignore it all.

PS: set limits were even worse, I couldn't help myself but go over, and over, and over, and over my rationale for setting a limit at one point or another.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby truecougarblue » Tue 25 Jul 2006, 16:27:51

I guess I've got an advantage then in that I only have half a brain and can barely bang out a single calculation, let alone multiples.
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby drew » Tue 25 Jul 2006, 19:16:57

Sorry about your luck rwwff! I just don't care, I guess. Well that's not true either, although I try very hard to not let my emotions rule the game. Maybe I am calm because I have never laid hands on any of my investment money. It was all originally borrowed so my direct experience revolves around debt service. Watching my portfolio grow by 25% a year since I began has been very very fun, but really it all seems quite abstract, and I have been only investing 3.5 years during a bull market. Of course I may feel like you if I start losing money, and that will suck no doubt. I guess I'll cross that bridge when it comes.

Tums free btw...

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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby rwwff » Tue 25 Jul 2006, 19:42:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('drew', 'S')orry about your luck rwwff!


I don't much believe in luck. It should be noted I did make money; I just didn't exceed expectations enough to justify the time, energy, and ulcers involved in the excercise.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')atching my portfolio grow by 25% a year since I began has been very very fun, but really it all seems quite abstract, and I have been only investing 3.5 years during a bull market.


It is true, there is a lot of fun involved; its quite exciting, and great for either someone that can dispassionately trade, or perhaps, an adrenaline junky. I am glad that I did trade for a while, just to learn the mechanics of the online trading experience, but it just wasn't for me.

Oh, and I wasn't trading on margin; I was "all in"...
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Re: Trader's Corner 2006

Postby drew » Tue 25 Jul 2006, 20:09:04

Luck has to be part of it unless you're psychic. I have been lucky my intuition was right-and intuition is pure BS-nothing more than luck most of the time.

What do you call it then if you are wrong- or right then?

No one can see the future.

Hence luck.



I am all in too...

being on margin is way worse in my opinion.

if you are wrong you lose your money and someone else's- that sucks!

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