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Is anyone here wealthy?

Unread postby thethief » Thu 20 Jul 2006, 19:58:16

Browsing this forum it seems to me most people here are middle class, not that there is anything wrong with that. I'm just less likely to believe the doom and gloom scenarios that you forsee.

Rich people aren't running for the hills or making massive changes to their investments, even though they have the most to lose and the best information avalible.

Sorry for appearing arrogant, but that is my 2 pennies.
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Re: Is anyone here wealthy?

Unread postby presidentsherrill » Thu 20 Jul 2006, 20:03:41

Let me explain my finances for you.


Can I have those two pennies? Please!!!
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Re: Is anyone here wealthy?

Unread postby ECM » Thu 20 Jul 2006, 20:09:17

I am not wealthy in the financial sense. However I do make good money and have very few bills. I am far better off than most Americans financially.

It also helps to define wealthy.

Is it someone that has had great success?
Is it someone who has a family and house in the burbs?
Is it someone who has a close family and lots of friends?

A person's wealth is often measured by the fulfillment of their desires and for some those desires have little or nothing to so with money.
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Re: Is anyone here wealthy?

Unread postby presidentsherrill » Thu 20 Jul 2006, 20:11:20

Wealth in my opinion, means you can kill your neighbors and be able to pay someone else to take the fall.
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Re: Is anyone here wealthy?

Unread postby thethief » Thu 20 Jul 2006, 20:13:30

I'm cynical so define wealth by your net assests. I'll put the wealthy cut off at $2 million.
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Re: Is anyone here wealthy?

Unread postby Pops » Thu 20 Jul 2006, 20:22:47

Yep, Mr. Thief I am.

Believe what you may. Really, it makes no difference to me how your portfolio, or that of the rich, are allocated. Really.
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Re: Is anyone here wealthy?

Unread postby presidentsherrill » Thu 20 Jul 2006, 20:29:26

Pops, If your so rich... can I come over and borrow a few thousand. Only a few miles away :)
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Re: Is anyone here wealthy?

Unread postby Kylon » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 15:02:28

Just out of curiosity Thethief, do you really think anyone is going to tell you that they are wealthy with that kind of name?
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Re: Is anyone here wealthy?

Unread postby mekrob » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 15:09:21

Well, I'm Intermediate Crude which is worth upper 60's or so which is pretty much what I have in the bank.
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Re: Is anyone here wealthy?

Unread postby Armageddon » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 15:25:21

Jesus said it is harder for a camel to go through an eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom. He was describing how rich people are too consumed in their wealth and materialism to care about spiritual things.
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Re: Is anyone here wealthy?

Unread postby Pops » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 15:33:05

Sorry to be frivolous.

PO is an economic issue at its core.

So I doubt Mr. Gates really has much too worry about. Cash is king and he will still be at the top of the heap when the dust settles – though it may be a smaller heap.

But as you correctly point out, the middle class should worry as they have all the debt, and the greatest dependence on the existing system continuing at par. But they could make changes in their life if they became convinced enough and so they worry the old bone constantly.

The working poor unfortunately may find themselves in the street but then again they are usually half way there anyway and certainly few have the time to jawbone here.


I like this 1960s ditty so much I’ll repeat it:

Life is like a shit sandwich…
The more bread you have,
The less shit you have to eat.
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Re: Is anyone here wealthy?

Unread postby Pops » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 15:37:26

Tsk, Tsk Mr President, after you get to know me you’ll know that I don’t give money to politicians – and I certainly don’t loan it to politicians!

Course that’s an easy decision cause I ain’t got no cash!
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Re: Is anyone here wealthy?

Unread postby nth » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 16:37:15

First, the US government defines the wealthy as someone who has over $500k net in investable assets. This excludes primary housing and recreational items like arts and crafts. If you fall into this category, you qualify for special tax status and legally treated differently.

For instance:
Person A claims: "I guarantee your investments."
In fine print, it states the investments are only guarantee by the full faith of the company.

The company goes bankrupt. You lose your investment.
If you are not wealthy legally, you can sue the person privately in civil court and possibly win damages against the person. If you are wealthy, then the limited liability clause in the company will prevent you from claiming personal properties of the person who stated the verbal guarantee. Wealthy investors are categorized as sophisticated investors and are thought to be smart enough to protect themselves with lawyers reviewing their contracts, etc....

I am not sure why there is this belief that the wealthy are not interested in PO. Our current high oil prices came about due to wealthy individuals foresee tight oil supplies before most major firms. They bought heavily and drove up spot prices to the current records.

They view this as a opportunity to make more money.
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Re: Is anyone here wealthy?

Unread postby Madpaddy » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 16:41:09

thethief wrote;
[/quote]Rich people aren't running for the hills or making massive changes to their investments, even though they have the most to lose and the best information avalible.$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
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As stated previously, the rich are so busy making more money that they can't see the elephant with the hard on who is about to take them from behind.

From Braveheart
robert the bruce

Wait! ...I respect what you said. But remember, these men have
lands, castles. Much to risk.

wallace

And the common man who bleeds on the battlefield, does he risk
less?

robert

No. But from top to bottom this country has no sense of itself.
Its nobles share allegiance with England and its clans war with
each other. If you make enemies on both sides of the border,
you’ll end up dead.

wallace

We all end up dead. It’s only a question of how. And why.[quote]
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Re: Is anyone here wealthy?

Unread postby Madpaddy » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 16:42:23

thethief wrote;
[/quote]Rich people aren't running for the hills or making massive changes to their investments, even though they have the most to lose and the best information avalible.$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')
As stated previously, the rich are so busy making more money that they can't see the elephant with the hard on who is about to take them from behind.

From Braveheart
robert the bruce

Wait! ...I respect what you said. But remember, these men have
lands, castles. Much to risk.

wallace

And the common man who bleeds on the battlefield, does he risk
less?

robert

No. But from top to bottom this country has no sense of itself.
Its nobles share allegiance with England and its clans war with
each other. If you make enemies on both sides of the border,
you’ll end up dead.

wallace

We all end up dead. It’s only a question of how. And why.[quote]
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Re: Is anyone here wealthy?

Unread postby Madpaddy » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 16:44:02

Wow,

I f..ked up the format of that last post real good !!! Sorry
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Re: Is anyone here wealthy?

Unread postby Jack » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 16:57:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thethief', '
')Rich people aren't running for the hills or making massive changes to their investments, even though they have the most to lose and the best information avalible.


Really? Does $25MM count as wealthy? 'cause that's what V.P. Cheney reports that he has...and he seems to have modified his holdings into something that would stand up to a new depression...

Does a securities broker who takes his clients from the top 1% - along with his clients - count? They're invested in gold, gold mining shares, gold ETF's - and a certain uranium company.

I wonder about your underlying assumption.
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Re: Is anyone here wealthy?

Unread postby oowolf » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 18:13:37

If your yearly income is over $7500 you're wealthier than 95% of your fellow humans. Compared to the bottom 5% you are fabulously wealthy and are so happy you can eat yourself to death while millions starve.
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Re: Is anyone here wealthy?

Unread postby 0mar » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 18:19:08

[Dave Chappelle]

I'm rich bitch! HONK HONK

[/Dave Chappelle]
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