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Re: Forbes: Oil, oil everywhere.

Postby KevO » Tue 18 Jul 2006, 16:12:58

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Wouldn't the fact that this vast majority of oil from old fields indicates that the discovery trend for big fields is long past dead?


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Re: Forbes: Oil, oil everywhere.

Postby dub_scratch » Tue 18 Jul 2006, 16:41:45

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Wouldn't the fact that this vast majority of oil from old fields indicates that the discovery trend for big fields is long past dead?


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...do I get a prize or something? :)
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Re: Forbes: Oil, oil everywhere.

Postby SoothSayer » Tue 18 Jul 2006, 16:52:39

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Wouldn't the fact that this vast majority of oil from old fields indicates that the discovery trend for big fields is long past dead?


We have a winner!!
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...do I get a prize or something? :)


Of course. We'll bury a 50 gallon barrel of gasoline (with anti-gummung agent) and give it to you in 2035.

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Re: Forbes: Oil, oil everywhere.

Postby dub_scratch » Tue 18 Jul 2006, 17:08:26

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Of course. We'll bury a 50 gallon barrel of gasoline (with anti-gummung agent) and give it to you in 2035.


You will be the richest guy on the block!


My lucky day! :)

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Re: Forbes: Oil, oil everywhere.

Postby Geko45 » Tue 18 Jul 2006, 17:48:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dub_scratch', 'A')s far as Lynch, Maugeri et. al. are concerned, the universe is made up of nothing but oil until someone drills a hole and discoveries dirt and rock.

Oh, that one is a keeper! I refer to it as the "Gooey Nugget Center" theory of oil.

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Re: Forbes: Oil, oil everywhere.

Postby rockdoc123 » Tue 18 Jul 2006, 17:52:47

zardoz wrote

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')eonardo Maugeri wrote:

...In Saudi Arabia only 300 oil and gas wells (including developmental wells) have ever been drilled...

Huh? Excuse me?

Calling rockdoc! Come in rockdoc!


and pstarr

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he ME is several oil regions, all government-owned. It is a much newer oil region that matured with new efficient technologies. Finally it is mostly a hostile dead desert. One does not idly go out into one's backyard and drill a hobby well there. Each ME project demands a complete infrastructure replete with new roads, housing, security, and a finished pipeline. Of course there are few wells. Suffice it to say Lynch did not respond.

Still, if there are only 300 wells in SA he makes a good point sort of?


I am pretty sure he is referring to exploration wells only. Here is a quote from one of my posts on the Saudi Production thread:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ell sorry, but this is another case where Simmons claims are not backed up by the data. Since the 1980's Aramco has done very little exploration drilling. I pointed out in a previous post on this thread that in the Rub Al Khali there are a total of 15 - 20 wells drilled in an area in excess of 350,000 square miles, most of which were drilled prior to 1975. From 1980 - 2004 there was almost no drilling in the area excluding the northwestern flank where superlight oil was found in a number of fields. A lone well drilled in the middle of the Rub in 2002 (Takhman-1) encountered Jurassic oil (about 350 MMB OOIP) which suggests the area has been underexplored. The Saudis have not been doing exploration simply because they did not have to. Up until this last year they have always had spare capacity and were able to act as swing producer...why drill exploration wells when your discoveries are going to just sit in the ground for the foreseeable future, this doesn't make economic sense. The drilling stats from 1990 to present tell the story...during that period the Saudis drilled 2013 development wells and 40 new field wildcat exploration wells....that means only about 1% of all wells drilled were exploration wells.


I think it isn't necessarily the number of wells but where they were drilled that is important. And it is an inhospitable environment but in actual fact there are things going for it that make it easier to operate in than in the US....less regulatory, no need to deal with freeholders, pipelines don't have to be buried etc. It should be interesting to see what the Rub Al Khali holds...the Chinese consortium drilled their first well recently (I haven't seen any update as to the outcome) and I believe Shell is drilling their first well in the next short while.
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Re: Forbes: Oil, oil everywhere.

Postby mekrob » Tue 18 Jul 2006, 18:04:52

rockdoc,

Is it really likely to find any major fields or any significant amounts of oil in Rub al-Khali? I know that oil can form just about anywhere, but looking at the fields in the Middle East, they all seem to lie along a narrow band from Northern Iraq down through the Persian Gulf.

Very little oil in the Levant and western Iraqi desert. But there is oil in the north, east and south of Iraq, the west of Iran (I believe), far eastern (upper) corner of SA, Kuwait, UAE, and Persian Gulf. I'd guess that about 99% of the proven reserves in the Middle East are all along that long band that encompasses such a small area.

I'm not discounting the finds of oil in the rest of SA, but it just doesn't seem to be very likely to have any large reserves. Have their been any geological studies that have shown that the area (Rub al-Khali) has a good chance for large reserves?

Also, are the Chinese oil companies and Shell allowed to drill for oil, or just gas? I thought SA was restricting exploration and production only to that of gas as of late.
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Re: Forbes: Oil, oil everywhere.

Postby rockdoc123 » Tue 18 Jul 2006, 18:14:38

mekrob

I think what the Saudis were doing is following the shallow relatively easy trend of oil along the Ghawar Arch. There are structures in the Rub evidenced on old widely spaced 2D seismic data (Tukman is an example of such) and newer denser data will no doubt identify more. The source rock is mature so that isn't a problem. No one really knows that much about the reservoirs simply because there are so few wells. It is unlikely there will be huge discoveries here but it is possible. I think the Ghadames basin exploration history in Algeria is a good example. In the late eighties Sonatrach pretty much gave up on there being any potential in the Ghadames based on their sparse 2D seismic data and a few wells. Anadarko and others proved them wrong in the mid-ninties by finding around 5 Gbbls of oil and likely in the order of 10 TCF of gas....this done with high resolution 3D data which could identify small faults and stratigraphic traps.
Yes the foreign companies only have rights to Permian Khuff gas....but to get to that gas they have to drill through the other prospective horizons (Cretaceous and Jurassic), hence they end up evaluating the oil potential for Aramco for free (Aramco gets any oil that is discovered).
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Forbes 2007 Energy Outlook

Postby Leanan » Mon 09 Oct 2006, 10:23:11

They've got a huge special report up:

Forbes

It's got a bunch of articles, plus photos, graphs, and video, including:

It's The Consumption, Stupid

What the World Pays For Energy

Global Energy Overview

Really, Really Cheap Oil (Michael Lynch)

The Saudis Of The Southern Hemisphere

The All-Energy Economy (Russia)

Continental Divide (Europe)

China's Oil Safari

Your Power Bill Is Standing By

Fort Knox's Buried Treasure (Geothermal)

Ethanol Gusher!
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Re: Forbes 2007 Energy Outlook

Postby NEOPO » Mon 09 Oct 2006, 15:46:04

It was ok.
Michael "spike" lynch wouldnt buy right now ;-)

POWERING THE WORLD - started ok but then ehhh....
He said "environmental benefits" and I am sure that burns pstarrs ass ;-)
Go get em tiger!!!

Oh the IEA makes predictions on the science of global warming aye? did you guys cetch that?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')IEA: efficient tech can hold co2 emissions in 2050 to just 6% above 2006 levels"


The "Notes on the news" showing where america peaked at 11mbpd and now produces 6.8 mbpd was more interesting really.

The one thing I saved and probably only because of the cool sounds was this:
Crude Oil Prices 1861 - 2006

Yeah adjusted for (insert your governments effort to suppress economic truth here) yet I still like the chart ;-)
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Re: Forbes 2007 Energy Outlook

Postby Carlhole » Mon 09 Oct 2006, 17:31:06

It appears that geopolitical tensions have diminished and hedge funds have unwound some of their speculative positions and this has caused a price decline.

Yet, all over the news on programs on CNN and in this Forbes article, cornucopianism is declared triumphant over the the warnings of that peak oil entails. But where have we seen a list of the new projects coming online that would justify the renewed optimistic fervor? The GOM find looks expensive as hell.

Nothing seems to be much different than it was two months ago - except the fear factor has been wrung out the price per barrel.

I'll be interested to read Petroleum Review's inevitable rebuttal to this article.
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Forbes: "Ghost Cities of 2100." Vegas missing.

Postby emersonbiggins » Wed 27 Jun 2007, 13:09:39

One of the usual suspects, Detroit, plus a plethora of others: Mexico City, San Francisco, Timbuktu, Venice, all doomed because of environmental/geological considerations. There's nothing to be found about cities dying due to worldwide economic collapse, though.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')or 900 years, Moenjodaro, a city in what is now Pakistan, was the urban hub of a thriving civilization, the New York or London of its day. Around 1700 B.C., residents suddenly abandoned the Indus Valley city, and it was lost in the sands of time until archaeologists began excavating it in the 1920s. Today, visitors can wander for hundreds of acres among its deserted streets and homes.
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Re: Forbes: "Ghost Cities of 2100." Vegas missing.

Postby Cobra_Strike » Wed 27 Jun 2007, 15:13:19

I like that NYC will be partly underwater due to sea level rise. Seems almost fair punishment, the loans and policies created there have expanded production of the very things that could mess them up.
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Re: Forbes: "Ghost Cities of 2100." Vegas missing.

Postby I_Like_Plants » Wed 27 Jun 2007, 20:06:05

Water rise of any substantial degree would help the San Francisco Bay Area revert to the estuary it is supposed to be. I'm not sure if I'm sitting at any elevation above sea level at all right now.
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Re: Forbes: "Ghost Cities of 2100." Vegas missing.

Postby frankthetank » Wed 27 Jun 2007, 20:39:47

I think 2050 should be good enough :)
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Re: Forbes: "Ghost Cities of 2100." Vegas missing.

Postby SILENTTODD » Thu 28 Jun 2007, 02:42:06

I take exception to San Francisco. Yeh it will go through convolutions. But if any city on the Pacific Coast can survive it will be San Francisco.

It existed as the largest city on the west coast clear up the Second World War. A title it held from the time of the California Gold Rush before the age of Oil.

It and San Diego posses the best natural harbors on the West Cost of the North American continent.

It gets adequate rainfall, (more than its neighbor to the south L.A.)

If you had said L.A. I would agree, but not San Francisco
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Re: Forbes: "Ghost Cities of 2100." Vegas missing.

Postby gg3 » Thu 28 Jun 2007, 09:22:54

Silenttodd, you forgot about earthquake.

San Francisco is doomed.

As is the East Bay, which I say whilst sitting 1/4 mile from the deadly dangerous Hayward fault.

Any decent quake will break up the underground mains: water, sewer, and gas, thus creating firestorms and rivers of poo. It will also bring down the local grid, so even if we get our nuclear reactor (installed safely inland) it won't be much help without transmission lines.

If a quake rips through when the Cheney/Bush Regime is still in power, we can count on getting Katrinafied and dispersed to widely-separated Republican voting districts. If it waits until President Gore, I'm not sure even he'll be able to do much. I intend to be outski before it happens.
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Re: Forbes: "Ghost Cities of 2100." Vegas missing.

Postby SILENTTODD » Thu 28 Jun 2007, 23:08:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gg3', 'S')ilenttodd, you forgot about earthquake.

San Francisco is doomed.

As is the East Bay, which I say whilst sitting 1/4 mile from the deadly dangerous Hayward fault.

Any decent quake will break up the underground mains: water, sewer, and gas, thus creating firestorms and rivers of poo. It will also bring down the local grid, so even if we get our nuclear reactor (installed safely inland) it won't be much help without transmission lines.

If a quake rips through when the Cheney/Bush Regime is still in power, we can count on getting Katrinafied and dispersed to widely-separated Republican voting districts. If it waits until President Gore, I'm not sure even he'll be able to do much. I intend to be outski before it happens.


I think you over rate the destructive power of earthquakes to make people abandon an otherwise desirable area. Major earthquakes are a given for the future of anywhere you live in California.

The 1906 San Francisco quake I’ve read was rated an 8.3 on the Richter scale. In a city of over a quarter of a million, filled with un-reinforced masonry buildings, the death toll was about 600 from sources I’ve seen. And yes many major water and sewer lines broke. This allowed the fires to rage afterward which account for a large number of the deaths.

But people did not abandon it (there’s a funny story that Caruso was in the city that day and never again in his life came back). They rebuilt it ,and I believe it is much better constructed than in 1906. Granted, the areas of the bay that have been filled in are very vulnerable to earthquake damage. But the areas that were occupied in 1906 will always be occupied. There will not be as many people in the city as now. But it will still exist as a city, if any city can survive.
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Re: Forbes: "Ghost Cities of 2100." Vegas missing.

Postby Lore » Fri 29 Jun 2007, 14:37:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SILENTTODD', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gg3', 'S')ilenttodd, you forgot about earthquake.

San Francisco is doomed.

As is the East Bay, which I say whilst sitting 1/4 mile from the deadly dangerous Hayward fault.

Any decent quake will break up the underground mains: water, sewer, and gas, thus creating firestorms and rivers of poo. It will also bring down the local grid, so even if we get our nuclear reactor (installed safely inland) it won't be much help without transmission lines.

If a quake rips through when the Cheney/Bush Regime is still in power, we can count on getting Katrinafied and dispersed to widely-separated Republican voting districts. If it waits until President Gore, I'm not sure even he'll be able to do much. I intend to be outski before it happens.


I think you over rate the destructive power of earthquakes to make people abandon an otherwise desirable area. Major earthquakes are a given for the future of anywhere you live in California.

The 1906 San Francisco quake I’ve read was rated an 8.3 on the Richter scale. In a city of over a quarter of a million, filled with un-reinforced masonry buildings, the death toll was about 600 from sources I’ve seen. And yes many major water and sewer lines broke. This allowed the fires to rage afterward which account for a large number of the deaths.

But people did not abandon it (there’s a funny story that Caruso was in the city that day and never again in his life came back). They rebuilt it ,and I believe it is much better constructed than in 1906. Granted, the areas of the bay that have been filled in are very vulnerable to earthquake damage. But the areas that were occupied in 1906 will always be occupied. There will not be as many people in the city as now. But it will still exist as a city, if any city can survive.


You will also need to contend with rising sea levels in San Francisco Bay, as in any costal community, in the later part of this century.
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