Donate Bitcoin

Donate Paypal


PeakOil is You

PeakOil is You

I'm curious, anyone here < 20 ?

Discussions related to the physiological and psychological effects of peak oil on our members and future generations.

are you younger than 20?

yes
14
No votes
no
45
No votes
 
Total votes : 59

Re: I'm curious, anyone here < 20 ?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 14 Jul 2006, 12:35:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fergus', 'N')ot to be picky here, but the title is wrong. You asked in the title is anyone older then (greater) 20. remember the alligator always eats the bigger number. < is greater then - > is less then.
:lol: sorry kid, it's: anyone here < 20, with anyone here on the correct side! heh heh.
User avatar
PenultimateManStanding
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 11363
Joined: Sun 28 Nov 2004, 04:00:00
Location: Neither Here Nor There

Re: I'm curious, anyone here < 20 ?

Unread postby gego » Fri 14 Jul 2006, 13:25:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gego', '.').."greenie" is just another name for Communists/Socialist slavery.

ATTENTION SAVINAR!

Another one for the Lame Post Hall of Fame.

What's most incredible about this statement is that you apparently do not have even the most rudimentary knowledge of the environmental atrocities committed by the major communist powers.

You are aware that China is still officially a communist regime, right? You are aware of what they're doing, right?

Do you have even the vaguest clue as to what went on in the old Soviet Union?

(EDIT: Dang. Gone right Off Topic. Sorry, but that was just too outrageous to let it lie. We now return you to your regular topic.)


Agreed, heavy pollution by state run economies, is one of the evils of the form of slavery knows as socialism/communism. My view is that most greenies are socialists or communists who just want the state to do a more environmentally friendly job while they run their slave systems, and they want to impose one form or another of state control, rather than freedom, everywhere in the world.

Along comes ajwald with his bright young mind, and Doly directs him to a bunch of misguided authoritarians, to which I object.
gego
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1265
Joined: Thu 03 Mar 2005, 04:00:00

Re: I'm curious, anyone here < 20 ?

Unread postby Fergus » Fri 14 Jul 2006, 14:49:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fergus', 'N')ot to be picky here, but the title is wrong. You asked in the title is anyone older then (greater) 20. remember the alligator always eats the bigger number. < is greater then - > is less then.
:lol: sorry kid, it's: anyone here < 20, with anyone here on the correct side! heh heh.


Ah yes, I see that now. Whoops. Nice play on words sorta thing there.

Good catch, I bow to your asstuteness. LOL
User avatar
Fergus
Coal
Coal
 
Posts: 401
Joined: Tue 13 Jun 2006, 03:00:00
Top

Re: I'm curious, anyone here < 20 ?

Unread postby MattSavinar » Fri 14 Jul 2006, 15:26:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gego', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gego', '.').."greenie" is just another name for Communists/Socialist slavery.

ATTENTION SAVINAR!

Another one for the Lame Post Hall of Fame.

What's most incredible about this statement is that you apparently do not have even the most rudimentary knowledge of the environmental atrocities committed by the major communist powers.

You are aware that China is still officially a communist regime, right? You are aware of what they're doing, right?

Do you have even the vaguest clue as to what went on in the old Soviet Union?

(EDIT: Dang. Gone right Off Topic. Sorry, but that was just too outrageous to let it lie. We now return you to your regular topic.)


Agreed, heavy pollution by state run economies, is one of the evils of the form of slavery knows as socialism/communism. My view is that most greenies are socialists or communists who just want the state to do a more environmentally friendly job while they run their slave systems, and they want to impose one form or another of state control, rather than freedom, everywhere in the world.

.


He's got it right.

Human beings are human beings regardless of their political affliations. And human beings are out for one thing: their own genetic line. The planet? The greens don't care. If they did they'd stop driving cars but every green party meeting I've been to I was the only person who didn't drive. (okay only been to 3 meetings but you get my point.)

The greens just know how to make their self-interested behavior SOUND better. But turn off the soundtrack (they yapping) and watch the actions (the driving) to see what is really going on.

Best,

Matt
User avatar
MattSavinar
Elite
Elite
 
Posts: 1918
Joined: Sun 09 May 2004, 03:00:00
Top

Re: I'm curious, anyone here < 20 ?

Unread postby MattSavinar » Fri 14 Jul 2006, 15:29:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gego', '.').."greenie" is just another name for Communists/Socialist slavery.

ATTENTION SAVINAR!

Another one for the Lame Post Hall of Fame.

What's most incredible about this statement is that you apparently do not have even the most rudimentary knowledge of the environmental atrocities committed by the major communist powers.

You are aware that China is still officially a communist regime, right? You are aware of what they're doing, right?

Do you have even the vaguest clue as to what went on in the old Soviet Union?

(EDIT: Dang. Gone right Off Topic. Sorry, but that was just too outrageous to let it lie. We now return you to your regular topic.)


I'm not a mod here, just a participant. I've tried to mod groups before and I lack the deft touch necessary to keep things functioning. I usually jump straight to the bitch slap that is banning people. So I'm not cut out for the job.

Heck, on my own list a year ago I banned a guy just for posting some new age touchy feeling beliefs and then told the group I banned him as an example to others of what happens when you go into the world with a belief system not grounded in reality: you get eliminated.

Best,

Matt
User avatar
MattSavinar
Elite
Elite
 
Posts: 1918
Joined: Sun 09 May 2004, 03:00:00
Top

Re: I'm curious, anyone here < 20 ?

Unread postby Taskforce_Unity » Fri 14 Jul 2006, 15:45:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', 'T')FU, you seem to ignore geopolitics when it comes to NG production. Tell me, where is most of the NG located in the World? Let's see here: Russia, Iran, Qatar, SA, UAE, Nigeria, Algeria, Venezuela, Iraq, Indonesia, Kuwait. Now those don't seem like very friendly allies, do they?

North America has already peaked in NG production. How much longer are we going to be relying on unstable, unfriendly regimes for our increase in NG consumption (and decline in our own production)?

It doesn't matter at all if there is capacity. What really matters when people are starving and NG is in short supply in North America is the ability and capacity to obtain our enemies' lands, it doesn't quite help us out, now does it? That's where the doomerism comes into play.


Ofcourse you are correct that the picture is more complicated then I paint it. I'm not in America but in Europe, this makes me view the natural gas picture differently.

Anyway, geopolitical instability will not cause a peak in production but a slower increase given the amount of countries that there are. Greed rules the world, people will want to sell the stuff. So some countries may not invest enough or lower output. Others will do the other thing around. Natural Gas production will therefore keep increasing worldwide. North America may be f****, that's correct, but honestly, that's not something I am worrying about..... from my personal perspective in the Netherlands.
User avatar
Taskforce_Unity
Coal
Coal
 
Posts: 479
Joined: Mon 22 Nov 2004, 04:00:00
Location: Holland
Top

Re: I'm curious, anyone here < 20 ?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 14 Jul 2006, 16:07:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fergus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fergus', 'N')ot to be picky here, but the title is wrong. You asked in the title is anyone older then (greater) 20. remember the alligator always eats the bigger number. < is greater then - > is less then.
:lol: sorry kid, it's: anyone here < 20, with anyone here on the correct side! heh heh.


Ah yes, I see that now. Whoops. Nice play on words sorta thing there.

Good catch, I bow to your asstuteness. LOL
8) as long as I'm being "asstute" it's less than, greater than. :P What the hell is wrong with the educational systim enyway.
User avatar
PenultimateManStanding
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 11363
Joined: Sun 28 Nov 2004, 04:00:00
Location: Neither Here Nor There
Top

Re: I'm curious, anyone here < 20 ?

Unread postby mekrob » Fri 14 Jul 2006, 16:47:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')fcourse you are correct that the picture is more complicated then I paint it. I'm not in America but in Europe, this makes me view the natural gas picture differently.

Anyway, geopolitical instability will not cause a peak in production but a slower increase given the amount of countries that there are. Greed rules the world, people will want to sell the stuff. So some countries may not invest enough or lower output. Others will do the other thing around. Natural Gas production will therefore keep increasing worldwide. North America may be f****, that's correct, but honestly, that's not something I am worrying about..... from my personal perspective in the Netherlands.


Europe? Motherf... So that's what Holland means. :)

I'm not so sure if you guys are so much better off. The only major nations with NG in Europe are Russia, Norway and England. England and Norway are fast depleting the North Sea, so that really only leaves Russia left. After Ukraine, and Western Europe's allegiance to the US (sorta), I wouldn't think that you guys would be in good shape with Putin, unless you feel like carrying a red armband around.
mekrob
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 2408
Joined: Fri 09 Dec 2005, 04:00:00
Top

Re: I'm curious, anyone here < 20 ?

Unread postby Fergus » Fri 14 Jul 2006, 16:50:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fergus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fergus', 'N')ot to be picky here, but the title is wrong. You asked in the title is anyone older then (greater) 20. remember the alligator always eats the bigger number. < is greater then - > is less then.
:lol: sorry kid, it's: anyone here < 20, with anyone here on the correct side! heh heh.


Ah yes, I see that now. Whoops. Nice play on words sorta thing there.

Good catch, I bow to your asstuteness. LOL
8) as long as I'm being "asstute" it's less than, greater than. :P What the hell is wrong with the educational systim enyway.


Yikes, I think I'll call it a day and take a nap. Wow, really I am better then that. Whoops! :-D
User avatar
Fergus
Coal
Coal
 
Posts: 401
Joined: Tue 13 Jun 2006, 03:00:00
Top

Re: I'm curious, anyone here < 20 ?

Unread postby Comp_Lex » Fri 14 Jul 2006, 18:11:57

@mekrob:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')atural Gas

Proved natural gas reserves of the Netherlands are estimated (as of January 2005) at about 50-60 trillion cubic feet, or about 0.9% of the world total. The Netherlands is presently the second-greatest natural gas producer in the European Union and the ninth-greatest in the world, accounting for more than 30% of EU total annual gas production and about 2.7% of the annual world total. Although the Netherlands owns substantial gas reserves in the North Sea, most of its production is presently from on-shore wells, and much of the natural gas produced by the Netherlands comes from Groningen Province, which borders the North Sea. Consumption of natural gas in the Netherlands is only about two-thirds of its production; the rest is exported and the Netherlands is presently the world's fifth-greatest natural gas exporter.


I live in Groningen and I frequently experience (relative small) earthquakes due to gas production.
User avatar
Comp_Lex
Peat
Peat
 
Posts: 116
Joined: Wed 02 Nov 2005, 04:00:00
Location: The Netherlands
Top

Re: I'm curious, anyone here < 20 ?

Unread postby Terran » Fri 14 Jul 2006, 20:11:55

I'm 19 right now, doing a major in biotechnology.

I first heard about peak oil back when I was 17 year old, during my junior year of high school. I went on Matt's page on accident. I had a decent background in understanding science, and understood the logics.

I don't really bother with trying to convince people anymore, except during certain events. I do have my group of friends in the peak oil activist side, they attend the monthly meetings, etc....But those are mainly the older folks. Nobody even close to my age.

Outside of academia, I'm teaching myself skills on how to powerdown, working towards being self-sufficient. I've learned some skills in natural building, permaculture, and food production. In this country, 2% of the population produces all of our food. I think as the large scale industrial agricultural system start to have problems, we're going to need local food production.

In academia, I may switch majors if I have enough time and go into some form of engineering.

Most of the time I tend to look down at my peers in my age group in a condesending manner. When I was younger, many people said I was many years ahead people in my age group. Just having this knowledge, and knowing things most people don't know puts you at a advantage of over 99% of the population. In the 21st century those informed are going to need it, as we live though interesting times.

I do think over time more and more people will wonder. Of course there are those who know about peak oil, and dosn't do anything about it. There are those who don't see peak oil as a big issue. I think many people in the Unites States has heard of global warming at least once in their lifetime, but is anyone really doing anything about it? are they really making lifestyle changes?
User avatar
Terran
Coal
Coal
 
Posts: 405
Joined: Wed 07 Jul 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Berkeley CA

Re: I'm curious, anyone here < 20 ?

Unread postby Zardoz » Sat 15 Jul 2006, 02:26:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'A')TTENTION SAVINAR!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Matt Savinar', 'I')'m not a mod here...


Oh, I know. I was trying, and failing, to be funny. I was thinking of a conversation we had months ago about a Hall of Fame for lame posts. Never mind...

I guess I don't know much at all about the Green Party. You sure don't hear much about it in the media. Sounds like you're thoroughly unimpressed with them. Are they doing anything at all worthwhile?
"Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
User avatar
Zardoz
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 6323
Joined: Fri 02 Dec 2005, 04:00:00
Location: Oil-addicted Southern Californucopia
Top

Re: I'm curious, anyone here < 20 ?

Unread postby Weatherman25 » Wed 02 Aug 2006, 21:12:27

Yeah, I'm 14, probably the youngest one here.:oops:
“We just have to basically hope that we don't have a hurricane come back into the Gulf of Mexico this summer. We haven't fixed yet, by any stretch of the imagination, everything that got broken.”-Matt Simmons
User avatar
Weatherman25
Wood
Wood
 
Posts: 14
Joined: Wed 02 Aug 2006, 03:00:00
Location: SE Michigan-Home of car companies that make oil sucking SUV's!

Re: I'm curious, anyone here < 20 ?

Unread postby Baron » Thu 03 Aug 2006, 11:29:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Taskforce_Unity', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ajwald', '
')The only way we wouldn't starve is if we all grow our own organic food. But... again, none of my friends listen to me. So, they won't actually start building a mini greenhouse and growing gardens until they are starving.


If you would do that, we could very well starve since the landmass of the earth can't support total organic production. Especially if we want to produce biofuels (and then i am not talking about corn, soy or that sort of stuff but about perenialls like willow, eucalyptus and poplar)


It must be true that the global human population couldn't be fed without artificial help. But that's because there are too many people, not because artificial help is needed to grow food. Organic worked fine for thousands of years.

The basic rule will apply - when a population outgrows its resources, there will be a die-off. We foolishly used petro-chemicals to artificially boost our resources, without controlling population growth. That can't be sustained with current technology. So on a personal level, I'm with Ajwald - get some practice in the garden, and get the kit you need now, to give yourself a better chance when the problems come.
User avatar
Baron
Wood
Wood
 
Posts: 1
Joined: Thu 03 Aug 2006, 03:00:00
Location: London, UK
Top

Re: I'm curious, anyone here < 20 ?

Unread postby bl00k » Mon 07 Aug 2006, 20:15:28

Im 18 years old, Dutch and learned about all this some two years back. Total shock, angry, confused etc..... but not depressed, im not that kind of person, luckily. Now that i finished high school (and have a year off because i failed to subscribe to a college on time) i am trying to prepare myself for what is bound to happen. So the good thing is that i know i *have* to prepare in order to survive, the bad news is that surviving here would mean waiting for most people to die. Holland is overpopulated and lies for a big part pretty much under sealevel.

My friends dont have the slightest idea of what is going to happen, every time they tell me how they would like to buy that awesome car in a few years i get a weird feeling. I won't tell them about peak oil though, because they'd never believe it and if they would believe it i don't know how they'd handle with it. With that comes the fact that my friends are still in the fase of "i want to make a lot of money when i'm a grown up", i left that fase at about 14, maby because i was obsessed with making as much money as i could until than...

I have know pretty much ONE person that knows about Peak Oil. He has even once told me, along with a few other students, that we rely of oil too much, on which one student promptly replied with that hydrogen was the future but that the big oil companies prevented this. Sometimes they make you wanna cry.

Since i was 12 i've loved everything that runs on gasoline. I therefor couldn't wait till i was 16 so i could drive mopeds, and couldn't wait till my 18th cause than i could drive cars. I remember saying to myself when i was 16 that i hoped there'd be enough oil around on my 18th so i could still drive cars. Well, turns out there still is 'enough' oil now, and i love driving every single time i turn on that gasoline engine. It's probably one of the worst hobby's to have a this moment, i won't stop driving though, Peak Oil is going to happen ANYWAY, so i might aswel enjoy myself in these last years of the oil age.

Another hard thing for me is picking what i have to do now high school is over. It's not like my dad tells me that i can pretty much do everything i want, i mean, i could, but some degrees just wont be needed in a while. My first choices are now going to the Military or Police Academy...

One thing is clear, we are going to have a very interesting future, and remember, we're going to get a lot further if we work *together*.
User avatar
bl00k
Peat
Peat
 
Posts: 194
Joined: Sat 17 Sep 2005, 03:00:00
Location: The Netherlands

Re: I'm curious, anyone here < 20 ?

Unread postby Seksi » Wed 09 Aug 2006, 04:01:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Weatherman25', 'Y')eah, I'm 14, probably the youngest one here.:oops:


Wow. I thought I was youngest. I started lurking around here at 15 and now I'm 16. I'm with thread starter on convincing people, I tried to tell people who I thought were logical thinkers but they just didn't want to understand. I've given up on convincing people because no one wants to believe it. Denial perhaps..
User avatar
Seksi
Wood
Wood
 
Posts: 6
Joined: Tue 11 Jul 2006, 03:00:00
Top

Previous

Return to Medical Issues Forum

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

cron