[Daryl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', ' ')Here's how tyrant states operate: They invent a pretext for violence (remember the "WMDs"?) and then move in to "resolve" the very mess they've created.

[greenworm]

"So, you favor a continued Baathist slaughter of the Kurdish and Shia majorities and support a nuclear arms seeking expansionist Saddam."

No I don't support nuclear weapons period, especially from a country that uses them quite regularly, namely the US.


"This would inevitably lead to a three way standoff between a nuclear armed Baathist empire, a nuclear armed Iranian theocracy and a nuclear armed Israel - transpiring right on top of the world's oil supply. Nice plan. Got any other great ideas?"

Most of this is hearsay except that Israel does have nuclear weapons, anybody ever tell you that you sound like fox news. I don't support it, of course I don't. But what the US needs to understand is that it is none of their dam ego-headed business. I got an idea for ya, if you are looking for some grand inspiration. Elect someone who isn't well connected to big oil for a change, get off oil period, then get the hell out of places that you don't own and stop accepting money from AIPAC. Then muslims won't hate you for your freedumbs.

[thedoge]

Tyranny:

c.1368, "cruel or unjust use of power,"

from O.Fr. tyrannie (13c.), from L.L. tyrannia "tyranny," from Gk. tyrannia "rule of a tyrant," from tyrannos "master" (see tyrant). Tyrannize is first attested 1494, from M.Fr. tyranniser (14c.); tyrannical was formed 1538 (tyrannic was used in this sense from 1491).

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?sea ... hmode=none

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daryl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', ' ')Here's how tyrant states operate: They invent a pretext for violence (remember the "WMDs"?) and then move in to "resolve" the very mess they've created.

[Daryl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', '"') But what the US needs to understand is that it is none of their dam ego-headed business.

[greenworm]

"If the US had minded its own business in 1991, Saddam would have gained control of the entire Persian Gulf oilfields. I guess your favored scenario is that subsequently he would have sat down in a circle with Israel and Iran, strummed a guitar and sang Kum-Ba-Ya. I'm of the opinion that Israel would have nuked him immediately. I guess that's fine if your goal is for the world economy to collapse and for us all to ride bicycles and smell after we're done eating each other. Oh I forgot, that's the view of the average adolescent that populates this board. Sorry, no offense intended. I'll leave you guys to yourselves again. Have fun whining."

Oh and the US spreading nuclear toxins over the entire region isn't worst. I don't care what Iran and Israel do, I am not their babysitter and neither are you, it is their job to settle their differences not the US. I live a sustainable lifestyle, so if the economy collapses, so be it although the recent run up in gold has made me a ton of cake , I admit I will miss this part , I don't use oil except for maybe 5 gallons a year, you know there are other energy sources that will heat your water for you, you are aware of this, right. Christ sakes turn off fox news! Please don't call me an adolescent, I just turned 50 for christ sakes, ya pimpled nosed freak. Don't worry no offense taken, I am happy enough knowing that if the shtf I will be alive and well with nothing changed in my daily habits and you will be smelly cause you can't afford energy.

[DigitalCubano]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', 'O')h and the US spreading nuclear toxins over the entire region isn't worst.

[Daryl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', '"') Please don't call me an adolescent, I just turned 50 for christ sakes, ya pimpled nosed freak.

[Free]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('khebab', 'Q')uestion: was Al-Zarqawi a creation of the Iraq war?

I've never heard of him before.

[greenworm]

"No, it isn't. Not by any stretch of the imagination. It isn't even close. It doesn't even depend on whether you think the war was just or not. "


Umm, check your facts. Google: depleted uranium, then see all the gruesome pictures of iraqi babies. Studies have confirmed the effects. Studies have also confirmed their use.


"Y2k bunker"

That's funny, I own 150 acres with a house valued over $400,000 (fed pushed the price, not me) and you call it a y2k bunker. You're talking to a former programmer who had the unfortunate task of learning Cobol the ugliest language in the world, so your humor bores me. How old are you? Are you sure your momma and pappa would be proud of you slinging insults? I thought you were leaving. Please do, you're stinking up the air.

[greenworm]

I just watched some press conference where the military has confirmed that the picture of Zarqawi has been photoshopped. The reason given: out of respect to the dead? (WTF? $#*^&@$^&) Then they show the original picture that contains more cuts and bruising. That is too funny, they just negate the argument for photoshopping the picture by showing the first picture untouched.

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daryl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', '"') But what the US needs to understand is that it is none of their dam ego-headed business.

[gary_malcolm]

It's very convenient.

Dead terrorist.
Low Polls.
Photoshop.
1/4 ton of explosives leaves body intact and recognizable.

Besides the issue of Z. being the Superman/Flash/Batman of terrorists...

This just stinks of spin. Maybe I'm off base but I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop.

[XOVERX]

In 1812, England invaded the US. Obviously, the USA is justified in attacking England anytime we feel like it.

To conflate the current neocon Iraq war with the 1991 war is complete error. Bush's war has absolutely nothing to do with 1991. Some may post on this board that there is a link, but that is simply linguistic sleight of hand. A kind of "idol of the mind" as identified by Francis Bacon.

And I find the continual quoting of "Churchill" by some as "proof" of "justification" for the USA's dangerous warmongering to be quite amusing. As if Churchill would support blatant fascism in any country.

The USA goes to the UN for "cover" before attacking Iraq, and demands a UN investigation of Iraq for evidence of WMD. Hans Blix is appointed to lead the inspection of Iraq, does so, finds no evidence of WMD, and reports accordingly. The neocons deny the Blix report, villify him, contemporaneously make up "uranium yellowcake" fairy tales, and on the basis of fairy tales leads the nation to war. Ignore the experts, push the propaganda.

And now we've got to be preached to about Winston Churchill? The neocon idea that a dead man would agree with them if alive is brilliant propanganda of the highest order -- and totally outrageous to any thinking person. The neocon leader, George W. Bush, is no Winston Churchill. And his fascist regime is antithetical to anything Churchill would support. Any suggestion otherwise is pure Josef Goebbels.

When your leaders lie to you like Nazi Germany, attack other nations without provocation like Nazi Germany, and destroy rights like Nazi Germany -- is that really the bunch Winston Churchill would support? Is that the bunch George Washington would support? Abraham Lincoln?

Oh, there is socialism in American all right -- national socialism is rampant throughout the land. In our courthouses and in our capitols. Controlling our news and controlling our sciences. Making war and making plans for war.

History is repeating itself. Today's fascists are leading the entire nation into ruin and rubble. Just as Germany's premier fascist lead his nation into destruction a few decades past.

[Daryl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('XOVERX', ' ')And I find the continual quoting of "Churchill" by some as "proof" of "justification" for the USA's dangerous warmongering to be quite amusing. As if Churchill would support blatant fascism in any country........The neocon leader, George W. Bush, is no Winston Churchill. And his fascist regime is antithetical to anything Churchill would support.

[Daryl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', ' ')
The US Empire gave Saddam tacit permission to invade Kuwait in 1991. The historical record on that is clear.

http://www.geocities.com/iraqinfo/gulfwar/setup.html

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daryl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', ' ')
The US Empire gave Saddam tacit permission to invade Kuwait in 1991. The historical record on that is clear.

http://www.geocities.com/iraqinfo/gulfwar/setup.html

[emersonbiggins]

CENTCOM head Gen. Azibald sez:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')Sectarian violence probably is as bad as I've seen it, in Baghdad in particular..."

"If not stopped, it is possible that Iraq could move toward civil war."

[mekrob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('venky', 'I') would describe it as extreme secretarian violence. I think for it to be considered as civil war, the different factions would have to have well defined territories, armies or atleast militia. Ethnic cleansing of minorities would take place; it has happened on a limited scale though.

While not impossible I dont think that it would likely as long as there is a continued US presence. If it ends all bets are off.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ATISTE:...The British drew a boundary, a lady named Gertrude Bell did it in the 1920s, and it lumped together all of these ethnic and tribal and religious, an incredible mix that just doesn't come together very well...