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THE Iraqi Civil War Thread (merged)

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Re: Iraqi Civil War hot enough for ya?

Postby Chicken_Little » Wed 07 Jun 2006, 02:34:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pigleg', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chicken_Little', '
')Sorry to be pedantic, but you can't 'amputate' a head. Amputation implies the non-fatal removal of a body part, hence a head can only be severed, not amputated.


I'm not sure its such a clear-cut definition; I could only find some sources that implied survival after the amputation, but others had only the minimal requirement that part removed must have stuck out from the body. What is your source? Also, it could be possible to keep the torso alive without the head and satisfy your definition?



We don't call it 'amputation' when a person's head is traumatically removed by another person resulting in their death. We call it 'beheading'.

If you know how to keep a torso alive without a head, then you're wasted on this forum.

'Amputation' only applies to arms or legs or parts of them, hence the word

'Amputee'

A person who has had one or more limbs removed by amputation.


(Dictionary.com)


The beheaded bodies could not be described as 'amputees'.
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Re: Iraqi Civil War hot enough for ya?

Postby Lighthouse » Wed 07 Jun 2006, 03:23:59

Again amputation sounds much nicer than cut off the head.

Like friendly fire incident sounds much nicer than Shot to death by an comrade ...

BTW I want to amputate this annoying monkeys head, who had hacked into PO.com :-x
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Re: Iraqi Civil War hot enough for ya?

Postby chukar » Wed 07 Jun 2006, 05:08:28

My, it seems we've been hacked. What a bother.

Our desperation is becoming more evident by the day. The U.S. continues to make poor judgments and worsen the situation. Every mistake we make just exacerbates the oil crisis and brings peak closer. I was hoping to have more years to prepare.
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Re: Iraqi Civil War hot enough for ya?

Postby Mesuge » Wed 07 Jun 2006, 08:02:47

Check out the work by UK journalist Robert Fisk I think he is with the Indenpendent. Basically, his direct observation is as follows, large chunk of the "sectarian violence" is manned by the state security forces not unlike in the recent civil war in Algeria. Those death squads are fueling the violence. Who benefits? If your plan is to have permanet mil. base in the region and the justification for its presence lacks public support, go figure..
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Re: Iraqi Civil War hot enough for ya?

Postby Andrew_S » Wed 07 Jun 2006, 11:25:24

But is Iraq still safer than Washington DC?
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Re: Iraqi Civil War hot enough for ya?

Postby Lokutus » Wed 07 Jun 2006, 12:02:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mesuge', ' ')If your plan is to have permanet mil. base in the region and the justification for its presence lacks public support, go figure..


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Re: Iraqi Civil War hot enough for ya?

Postby fireplaceguy » Wed 07 Jun 2006, 13:58:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pigleg', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chicken_Little', '
')Sorry to be pedantic, but you can't 'amputate' a head. Amputation implies the non-fatal removal of a body part, hence a head can only be severed, not amputated.


I'm not sure its such a clear-cut definition; I could only find some sources that implied survival after the amputation, but others had only the minimal requirement that part removed must have stuck out from the body. What is your source? Also, it could be possible to keep the torso alive without the head and satisfy your definition?
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Al Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

Postby whereagles » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 05:33:46

Militant leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi has been killed, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki has announced.

"Today we have eliminated Zarqawi," Mr Maliki said, sparking sustained applause. The US said he was killed in an air raid near Baquba.

The Jordanian-born leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq was considered the figurehead of the Sunni insurgency.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5058304.stm
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Re: Al Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

Postby untothislast » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 05:50:24

Great news. Hostilities will cease immediately, and all Islamic fundamentalists will embrace Quakerism.
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Re: Al Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

Postby DigitalCubano » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 06:32:51

Great news! I hope this is a big enough blow to the insurgency so that the business of stabilizing Iraq gets back on track and the grim situation in the Middle East gets taken down a couple of notches.
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Re: Al Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

Postby Serendipity » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 06:41:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DigitalCubano', 'G')reat news! I hope this is a big enough blow to the insurgency so that the business of stabilizing Iraq gets back on track and the grim situation in the Middle East gets taken down a couple of notches.



I wouldn't count on that. Tomorrow you'll have someone else "named" at the head of the insurgency and it will be business as usual.

But we can still hope...
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Re: Al Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

Postby BrazilianPO » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 06:49:46

Good! He was a SOB; killing Iraqi civilians at random. However, I do not thing this will change much the situation. Americans and civilians will continue to die daily, unfortunately. :(
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Re: Al Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

Postby thedoge » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 07:44:42

" Mr. President, I strongly advise you to take him out right now. We
cannot afford to wait until october"
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Re: Al Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

Postby mrniceguy » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 07:57:19

I don't think there will be any significant change in the situation, Iraq is getting worse by the day. They'll be plenty of people waiting to step into his shoes.
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Re: Al Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

Postby untothislast » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 09:02:02

Here's my one minute Hollywood pitch: Bin Laden & Al Zarqawi died ages ago. The US keeps their bodies in the coldstore. Whenever Bush's poll ratings start flatlining back home, they slide one of the stiffs out of the drawer - planting it in a house they've just razed in an airstrike. The 'War On Terror' is shown to be paying off. Poll ratings rise. Now get me George Clooney's agent . . .
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Re: Al Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

Postby Heineken » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 09:03:49

Can you say "MAJOR REPRISAL?"

A new leader takes his place---they're constantly grooming them. More recruits are found---the supply of angry young Arabs is bottomless.

Bush reaps a few days' worth of great propaganda.

The prices of oil and other commodities continue to take it on the chin.

But soon enough the dismantling of our civilization gets back on track.
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Re: Al Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

Postby Heineken » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 09:10:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DigitalCubano', 'G')reat news! I hope this is a big enough blow to the insurgency so that the business of stabilizing Iraq gets back on track and the grim situation in the Middle East gets taken down a couple of notches.


"The business of stabilizing Iraq" = making it safe for the importation of Wal-Mart and the maximum exportation of oil to the West. It'll never work, not in that bee's nest that has caused trouble for imperial invaders since the age of Rome.
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Re: Al Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

Postby Alnitaka » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 09:11:10

Some support for untothislast's assertions. I looked at the picture of the dead Zarqawi on CNN's web site. It looked like he was in perfect shape except that he seemed asleep. One would expect the two 500-lb explosions would have blown everyone inside into little pieces.
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Re: Al Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

Postby rsch20 » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 09:23:59

I was just thinking the same thing before reading this, just saw the picture on cnn. and i'm thinking 'they did an air strike, yet have a nice corpse to pose?'

and whats with the video of the bomb site with kids running around on it, does it seem normal to be seeing footage of the attacked area right away? isn't that stuff normally not aired for national security etc etc.

smells fishy to me.
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Re: Al Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

Postby mekrob » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 09:32:08

Although the picutre is only of his head. Maybe that's all that is left.
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