[kochevnik]

and P.S. for foodnotlawns:

When I was a kid, I DREAMED of my parents getting a divorce. I won't get into a pity party here, but suffice it to say, infidelity, drinking, yelling and just general emotional unpleasantness of two people who don't belong together can make life a living hell - I know it did for me. Unfortunately for me, they didn't get divorced until after I left home. Fortunately for them, it was the BEST thing they ever did. Both are happy, productive, satisfied people now.

So you see, not everyone who had a shitty life as a child feels as you do - my parents never belonged together and the worst thing they ever did was inflict all that stress on us kids. You shouldn't have presumed that you speak for all of us fucked up kids.

[MacG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kochevnik', 'a')nd P.S. for foodnotlawns:

When I was a kid, I DREAMED of my parents getting a divorce. I won't get into a pity party here, but suffice it to say, infidelity, drinking, yelling and just general emotional unpleasantness of two people who don't belong together can make life a living hell - I know it did for me. Unfortunately for me, they didn't get divorced until after I left home. Fortunately for them, it was the BEST thing they ever did. Both are happy, productive, satisfied people now.

So you see, not everyone who had a shitty life as a child feels as you do - my parents never belonged together and the worst thing they ever did was inflict all that stress on us kids. You shouldn't have presumed that you speak for all of us fucked up kids.

[oiless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kochevnik', 'a')nd P.S. for foodnotlawns:

When I was a kid, I DREAMED of my parents getting a divorce. I won't get into a pity party here, but suffice it to say, infidelity, drinking, yelling and just general emotional unpleasantness of two people who don't belong together can make life a living hell - I know it did for me. Unfortunately for me, they didn't get divorced until after I left home. Fortunately for them, it was the BEST thing they ever did. Both are happy, productive, satisfied people now.

So you see, not everyone who had a shitty life as a child feels as you do - my parents never belonged together and the worst thing they ever did was inflict all that stress on us kids. You shouldn't have presumed that you speak for all of us fucked up kids.

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oiless', 'A')ny human activity (except possibly the basic survival activities, eating, sleeping, drinking) can be looked at, thought about, and percieved at it's root to be about mating, about passing our genetic code along.

[Aaron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oiless', 'I')f you and your current mate get along so well that you would continue cohabitating, then why not stay mated?

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '
')Living with your Ex is gonna meet your needs?

[Aaron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '
')Living with your Ex is gonna meet your needs?

[galacticsurfer]

I looked this up as I was confused:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/MILF

Also regarding the anger at disintegration of society(read sexual roles/family life) partially or greatly enabled by peak oil since 1960s auto/consumerism obsession read about Hoellebeccq's bestseller book "Atomised":

http://www.culturewars.org.uk/2002-11/atomised.htm

Obviously things go back and forth over generations. The pendulum is swinging back to a more conservative view of life as Gen-Xers are generally less trustful of liberal experiments popular in earlier experimental environment dominated by baby boomer young adults.

Personally as a man I believe that I have to have the "vision thing" and my wife fills in the details of life. If I say "we are green" or " we are vegetarian" and provide enough convincing arguments she wil come on board and get interested in maintaining our new way of life giving a lot of feedback and criticism and support. If I change my mind about this too often or sees that my crazy new idea is detrimental to survival she will brake me("Honey let's get a farm and live subsistence-starting tomorrow".) Obvously Yin and Yang are both to blame for the mess we are now in. Most men are too short sighted and lazy to give a real vision women could live by and respect(Powerdown,permaculture,etc) in a dangerous and unstable environment we are now entering. Most women stick by their short term interests as well("gosh that red corvette is so sexy and just look at his muscles").

[oiless]

Thanks for answering Shannymara. I can't say that the reasoning is entirely clear to me (affairs of the heart are rarely entirely logical to those on the outside) but I think I understand your position. Good luck with your life, may you prosper.

Dinopello, I don't know the answer to your question. You could try it and find out, but I suspect the effect is not the same. For most of our existance reproduction has meant sex. The most sucessful reproducers have had a lot of sex with different parteners. Sex and reproduction are linked. (Actually more than that, genectic selection drives us to sex, whether we are actually reproducing or not.) I would not expect wacking off into a bottle to scratch the ich.

Side note, to any women reading. I was filling up my jeep today and was thinking how I wouldn't miss the smell of gasoline. (I find it kind of offensive.)
I realized that the majority, I'm thinking around 75%, of women I've known, like the smell of gasoline. Does this apply to you?

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

I would like to add one note here. There was a person who made the comparison between kids raised by $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '(')6-pack Joe vs a Nobel Laureate)

[Peakprepper]

Have I go the wrong MILF?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moro_Islam ... tion_Front

The Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) is a militant Islamic group located in the Southern Philippines. The area where the group is active is called Bangsamoro by the MILF and it covers the southern portion of Mindanao, the Sulu Archipelago, Palawan, Basilan and the neighbouring islands. There are approximately 4.5 million Muslims in the Philippines[2] and the majority live within this area.

The MILF is lead by Salamat Hashim, who advocates a conservative, Wahhabist-influenced brand of Islam developed during his time as a student in Saudi Arabia and Cairo[3]. Hashim, like many in the MILF, was also heavily influenced by Sayyid Qutb, and adapted the words of Qutb to call for "jihad in the Moroland" against "the colonial Philippine occupation armies" who he accused of crimes against Muslims in the region[4].

Notice how the area they are most active is called "Bangsamoro"...

[Arconian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raxozanne', 'I')t's not women's fault.
Men just created the car as an extension to their pen**
It started as a fun game of who could craft the biggest wooden sheath back in the hunting gathering days to who could get the biggest metal extension in the 20th century. Men just love competing.

[Arconian]

Ah one more little thing. A neighbor recently killed himself because he couldn't live with the fact that his wife left him and now some stranger is living in a house with that poor guys kids. Do you want to know the reason for the divorce? She wasn't happy with what they had and wanted more. Women can shove their panty hose and expensive and not worth it ego up their expensive not worth crap hole! Do you want to investigate the situation? His name is Tom Steinbach and was a really good friend of mine. God have mercy on his soul.

[Arconian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'I') am a geeky software developer. I'm also almost 6 feet tall and say what I really think, which scares the hell out of most "men". I was a runway model for a little while, so I can tell ya I ain't too hard to look at when I'm not fat (which I'm not now). I can assure you I am not interested in men for cars, wealth, or any of that crap. I don't even care much about looks. I can't really say what I do care about here because some of it would violate the CoC.

I'm married to a geeky software developer who makes enough money to allow me to be a stay at home mom and prep for peak oil, yet I'm about to get divorced, in spite of the risks involved (and those of you who follow my posts know I'm pretty much a total doomer), because I won't stay in a relationship that's broken just for material security.

I think you guys who think we're all alike need to take a look at your own hangups. You bitch and whine about women being gold diggers and shallow consumers, but most of you are too chicken to be with a real woman like me, in spite of the fact that so many of you claim to want exactly the qualities I have. I'm too much a threat to your masculinity.

This should be fun...

[Arconian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('foodnotlawns', 'I') think married people who have children should have to either pay a fine or accept lashes ala Singapore criminal justice system, before being allowed to get divorced.

I am a child of divorce, and if neither spouse is criminal and/or abusive, a married couple should be strongly discouraged from getting divorced.

I knew a couple with children who said, "We are getting divorced" and I bashed them so hard that the woman will never speak to me again. the divorced husband/tossed out father still talks to me. But I tried real hard to prevent that breakup. I called them shitbag losers and told them they are going to hell for what they are doing to their children.

If you have kids and you plan to deprive them of a home with both mom and dad, you are a piece of garbage and I'd like to inflict corporal punishment on you, for the sake of your children, you bastard pieces of shit. Fuck you Shannymara. How dare you do this to your children. Think about it before you do this. He doesn't beat you or drink up your paychecks or molest the children, does he? Then how dare you break up the family, you swine.

Ban me if you like. I would be all in favor of public corporal punishment of frivolous divorcers.

[Arconian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'A')ctually, Mr. Presumptuous, my husband is planning to live in the house with me and our son, and we have quite a healthy relationship as friends. I'm sorry you had such an unhappy childhood, and having gone through a lot of violence and chaos myself growing up I can sympathize and empathize. I seem to have had the good fortune of growing past some of the resulting rage and judgmental mindset that resulted from it, and I hope someday you are blessed with the same freedom. My son's welfare is more important to me than anything in this world, and he is lucky to have me and his father as parents.

[Arconian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Graeme', 'S')orry Raxozanne, I didn't mean to cause any offense to you or any other lady. Perhaps you would like to read the following article about women and peak oil. This has been posted elsewhere but I think now that it is appropriate here:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '�')��Perhaps women and ethnic minorities are already very busy with urgent concerns, such as health care, unequal educational opportunities, urban violence, single parenting, etc.,” she noted. “Educational opportunities still favor Caucasian males, and especially in the sciences,” Weller added. She felt that “the dryness of the topic is not appealing to many women.” Weller lamented that “we seem to have made oil and money our God.” She advocated a different style of discussion within Peak Oil circles that would honor “the values of nurturing, creating relationship, and visions for our grandchildren.”

When the masculine and the feminine work well together, they can get more accomplished then when they are apart, separate, and isolated from each other, or competitive and hostile to each other. Plus that, it can be more fun, especially if we are facing what James Howard Kunstler describes in his book as “The Long Emergency.” Working on potentially disastrous realities, such as Peak Oil and Climate Change, can be serious and lead to burn out. We could benefit from more Peak Oil/Climate Change humor.

[Arconian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '
')Living with your Ex is gonna meet your needs?

[0mar]

If a man could fuck in a cardboard box, he wouldn't buy a house - Dave Chappelle

Would Donald Trump be fucking models if he wasn't a billionaire? - dunno who said that...

Read those two statements and reach your own conclusions.

Anyways, for most women, a man's financial and social status are far better attractors than most anything else.

You might say you'd marry the guy of your dreams if he lived in a shopping cart but we all know the real answer would be. You'd go for someone slightly less spectacular for the house, two cars and fat pay check. There's no shame, it's just woman-nature. We all have to expect small dishonesties in women.

[Ganesh_Baba]

I think most Western ladies are fucked up. Guys are also, but ladies are a bit more. I can't stand this fucking "it's all men's fault" attitude.

Women accuse men of being competitive while they ignore the fact that women are competiting all the time - as much as men if not more. And they spend a hell of a lot of money on clothes and stupid hand bags. They even need make up (which only makes them look ugly). Heck, my mother and sisters don't even dare to leave home without makeup.