[lateStarter]

Don't worry Aaron. It is only peak 'American' sex. I haven't noticed any shortage of Euro guys and gals hooking up. Bottom line - only the US needs cars (to get laid)...

[Raxozanne]

It's not women's fault.
Men just created the car as an extension to their pen**
It started as a fun game of who could craft the biggest wooden sheath back in the hunting gathering days to who could get the biggest metal extension in the 20th century. Men just love competing.

[Aaron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raxozanne', 'I')t's not women's fault.
Men just created the car as an extension to their pen**
It started as a fun game of who could craft the biggest wooden sheath back in the hunting gathering days to who could get the biggest metal extension in the 20th century. Men just love competing.

[mekrob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raxozanne', 'I')t's not women's fault.
Men just created the car as an extension to their pen**
It started as a fun game of who could craft the biggest wooden sheath back in the hunting gathering days to who could get the biggest metal extension in the 20th century. Men just love competing.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NeoPeasant', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('maya', ' ')women will look for who she can confide in on dark nights.

[Kingcoal]

It's called sociobiology, which is based on the fact that reproduction is required to pass your genes on to the next generation. Behaviors get passed on with those genes, thus, behaviors that lead to children who survive to reproduce themselves are reinforced down the generations. Just look at Grandma and Grandpa's faces when they greet their grandchildren, it is the greatest feeling of achievement.

Men are programmed to f**k as many women as possible and seek out fit, healthy women to impregnate.

Women, who get stuck holding the ball, so to speak, are programmed to be picky. Women have a built in drive to seek out men who are powerful and wealthy, as this is a huge advantage for any children born into that situation. Poor, peak oil believing geeks don't have much to offer their children besides depressing, self loathing dribble. Thus, peak oilers tend to join that large majority of men who have to pretend to be a materialistic, type A personally who is "on the fast track" in order to attract a mate.

This isn't limited to vehicles be any means. Once married, women will seek out the largest house possible and will fill that house with every form of modern indulgence.

American men spoil their women to much. And to men outside the US saying that you don't need a big car, etc to attract women, try bringing your wife to the US and set up a household. Your wife will transform from a stoic, frugal, good European wife, into a compulsive consumerist American bitch and if you resist, will remind you of the Jones's next door. "Mr. Jones bought his wife a Hummer, now I understand that you aren't as successful as him, but I don't see why we can't at least get a [insert next model down here.]"

Now any real man will tell his wife to go ahead and take things up with Mr. Jones. Most American men are very sensitive to ego assault, especially from a woman and their women know that. In other words, American men are wimps. If they would just stand up to their women, call their bluffs and put them back into their place, then they'd end up divorced and penniless, but at least prepared for peak oil!

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')our wife will transform from a stoic, frugal, good European wife, into a compulsive consumerist American bitch

[auscanman]

This has to be one of the best threads on here in a long time!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')oes it work the other way ? If we takes our wives to Europe do the become good European-like wives ? I don't really care about stoicism, a little frugal on some things would be OK.

[Raxozanne]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', 'G')uess why men compete? BECAUSE OF WOMEN! If you didn't want us to have bigger and bigger cars, we wouldn't be going to the extent that we are.

[Concerned]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raxozanne', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', 'G')uess why men compete? BECAUSE OF WOMEN! If you didn't want us to have bigger and bigger cars, we wouldn't be going to the extent that we are.

[MacG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deafskeptic', 'H')ere's some interesting recent evolutionary biologists discoveries regarding female behavior:

http://www.alternet.org/story/13648/
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/200 ... ogamy.html
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... ating.html

It seems that human behavior is a lot more variable than I orginally thought even though this is mostly about females of other species. It appears to me that that this behavior applies mainly to females in tribal socities with high male mortality rates. While Charles Darwian was a brillant scientist, you do have to watch out for cutural bias affecting your own views.

[Wildwell]

Of course the other thing worth mentioning is all the gadgets that have appeared in households to do all the 'dirty work' - the washing machine, dishwasher, vacuum cleaner etc

Traditionally until the 1950s women generally stopped at home, housework was very hard work - plenty of really hard scrubbing and food preparation. No clean spuds in those days’ ladies!

Then modern convenience (and energy use) allowed them to escape this grind, with the additional wages the men could buy their cars and everyone was happy, until this bankrupted public transport, then the ladies needed cars too.

[Wildwell]

Joking aside, in all seriousness if you need a car to pull you have a serious problem. While a minority of women are shallow, selfish felines (like a minority of men), reducing energy demand and eco living is all about sensible lifestyle choices, and that doesn’t necessarily mean no cars, just sensible car use. That means walking one mile to the shops, to keep your waste in trim, bike rides, taking the train to avoid traffic or save time, buying the right products, getting on a renewable energy tariff or investing in small scale renewable, possibly even growing your own food. The majority of bus users are in fact women, and some train journeys can be romantic or fun. It’s all about ‘sell’.

The real blame lays with governments and business, but especially the former for letting the ‘throw away’, automobile culture to get out of hand. Public planning is very important in this, people use whatever is convenient for them, and locating shopping malls, miles away from anywhere where you can only get to by car, means more car traffic. Letting industry locate all over the place and relying on trucks, rather than encouraging it to use less damaging forms of transport is also a matter for government.

[MacG]

Some personal experiences:

My wife quit (the job as "wife") some 5 years ago, and altough she had been yelling in a rather nasty way the preceding five years, the tipping point that "did it" was when we could not afford to upgrade to a better car one year.

The GF I picked up and spent four years with after that was a nice, critically thinking, slightly left, slightly green girl, but she passed me down because I talked about "to serious things" and her friends thought I was strange because of that. I learned that even left greenies love affluence when it comes to "the real deal".

Now? I dont bother to raise these issues with women anymore. Dont try any intellectual stuff of any kind. Resort to dirty tricks, and then there is no need for fancy cars to get laid. "Give me five minutes to talk my face away, and I will bed the queen of France" (Cyrano de Bergerac). Had a very nice full-night date with a delicious ex-gymnast MILF yesterday. Some strange muscles are aching right now.

[EnergyUnlimited]

I would consider women to be rather a catalyst of PO, not a cause.
They will simply ensure, that PO will come faster, then it would be otherwise (without their influence).

The causes of PO are basically two:
- discovering oil.
- developing it as energy source to drive large parts of economy.

[MacG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'I') am a geeky software developer. I'm also almost 6 feet tall and say what I really think, which scares the hell out of most "men". I was a runway model for a little while, so I can tell ya I ain't too hard to look at when I'm not fat (which I'm not now). I can assure you I am not interested in men for cars, wealth, or any of that crap. I don't even care much about looks. I can't really say what I do care about here because some of it would violate the CoC.

I'm married to a geeky software developer who makes enough money to allow me to be a stay at home mom and prep for peak oil, yet I'm about to get divorced, in spite of the risks involved (and those of you who follow my posts know I'm pretty much a total doomer), because I won't stay in a relationship that's broken just for material security.

I think you guys who think we're all alike need to take a look at your own hangups. You bitch and whine about women being gold diggers and shallow consumers, but most of you are too chicken to be with a real woman like me, in spite of the fact that so many of you claim to want exactly the qualities I have. I'm too much a threat to your masculinity.

This should be fun...

[Madpaddy]

The cause of peak oil,

I thought it was all those molotov cocktails rioting nationalists threw at the British army in Ireland ...

[deafskeptic]

As for me I'm a female myself and athough I have no degree in science or anything like that, I do tend to be something of a hardcore intellectual although I've learned not to discuss intellectual stuff as it bores most people. As my father is always pointing out to me, most people are not interested in intellecutal stuff. It is not acceptable for a woman to be an intellectual. I have no wish to get married.

When I was a teen, I attended two schools for the deaf. Hence why I call myself DEAFsketpic. Most schools for the deaf tend to be boarding schools thus they have restrictions that affects how we can travel or leave the campus. One such restriction regards driving. Deaf teens at boarding schools for the deaf are not allowed drive their own cars except for when they drive home on the weekends. At one school for the deaf, we walked to movies or the park or the mall.

When I went to a deaf high school in Washington DC, we used the Metro. Thus guys with cars weren't that important to us. In the summer that might've been important.

As one Deaf woman pointed out to me her school didn't even allow anyone to leave the campus even on weekends. I had thought my school was harsh.

[Aaron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') think you guys who think we're all alike need to take a look at your own hangups. You bitch and whine about women being gold diggers and shallow consumers, but most of you are too chicken to be with a real woman like me, in spite of the fact that so many of you claim to want exactly the qualities I have. I'm too much a threat to your masculinity.

[BlueStar]

Your logic is based on your perspective Aaron, you assume some of us use shiny metal to attract the peahen, others like myself like to woo the hen with words that matter not stuff that really does not matter.

Using your logic, I could ask which is the world's oldest profession?
You would, like many others would respond, prostitution, to which I would reply maybe, but some desperate men perhaps went begging first....others not so humble went fishing with shiny lures.
The earth mother then established a price based on supply and demand....

Everything comes out of the earth Aaron even the source of your orgasms...

I would suggest you pay more respect to the women who sustain us, both of them.

regards,