[Jack]

Andy, I am on a Peak Oil website. Because I'm a doomer, I believe that getting fresh pineapple, strawberries, and other such things will be a problem in the future.

Should I avoid such things now?

Rather pointless, eh?

Likewise with energy use. If I, or Specop, or whoever doesn't use it now, someone else will. If everyone, all around the world, conserved - then we might stretch out the supply. However, that isn't going to happen.

So, we may as well let the party rock on, 'till the lights go off.

[foslrock]

People like you are just going to go down with the ship. Ohh well, I won't say having less texans on the planet will be a bad thing.

So, by all means, keep sprawling out, abusing gas, and doing all you can to keep the party going till you drive off a cliff. Others, won't be following you people like a bunch of lemmings. Especially, when only 15% of the human brain is even used at any given time. Granted, it's probably a lot less than 10% with most texans, but if evolution fails you, then so be it.

[Jack]

No, instead of going down with the ship we'll use up our portion - then come over and take part of what you have. I suppose you believe in sharing, so this will be your opportunity to live those beliefs.

And, too, you mention that others won't be following us like a bunch of lemmings. But of course, you are following us; President Bush is leading you around, deciding your fate and that of those you care about. He'll continue to do so for quite some time. And all that time, he'll continue to impose rules and policies that you have to comply with and must pay for.

Think about that. Every time you pay income tax, you promote the President's agenda. President Bush, from Texas.

Just think of the present administration as our little gift to you.

Enjoy!

[aflatoxin]

When I was a teenager, I grew up in an area that had a 50 limit. Good place to learn how to drive.

The speed limit was 55 nationwide then. I remember jumping for joy when Reagan raised it to 65. Then it got raised again to 75. Then, for some reason, the cops stopped enforcing it altogether.

I used to have a little diesel jetta, without a turbo. Beating that car as hard as I could would get it up to about 85-90, and It still got over 45 MPG.

Most modern cars can't touch the mileage of the "Carter Era" economy cars. They're too heavy, and the engines are much more powerful so people can haul ass up steep hills and into headwinds. IMHO, anything over 50 horsepower is unnecessary for commuting.

[foslrock]

I would like to see you try and take what I have. First off, good luck, because, I think i'm more prepared than you, obviously. Secondly, i'm not as dependent on oil, as you must be.

I fill up a car about once a month, and I only use it for recreation, so i'm not the problem, because I have chose to not amass a megawad of debt to live the "texass faustian big dick dream of gaudy exurban living". I also tend to only eat organic food from local farms, so I don't try to contribute to the collapse by putting the pedal to the medal.

However, I am quite preparred to deal with people like you, as well. I also realize, that people like yourself will cause anarchy and decay within the system, because you have programmed yourself to be myopic in your views on the rest of the world. So, you will cause pain on others, and for that, people must prepare themselves to deal with the scourge, like yourself. But, thats just how life is.

Let me ask you this. Other than moderating a doomer site, what do you do to change and make the world a better place? Have you even thought about that? Or do you just want to be a mindless consumer mininon with an overly fatalistic death wish?

Secondly, you won't make it through the deserts. So, i'm not concerned. .

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Andy', 'A')h!!! , our delusions. As I said, I drive a car that gets as good fuel economy as you SPECOP yet even with my efficient car, 5 - 10 mpg is saved travelling at 55mph versus 70+ mph. Even our efficient cars are not very efficient ways to move people in the grand scheme of things. We are talking here about if there is not enough oil to go around, what can we do quickly to mitigate the impact. As I say, you will not die if it takes 5 hours instead of 3.5 hours. In fact the opposite may well be the case as was just proven in Iowa where the limit was raised to 70 from 65 and a corresponding increase in fatalities has been recorded.

SPECOP, you are on a peak oil site. Do you agree that in the near future, oil will be harder to come by? If you believe so, then it should not be hard to put 2 + 2 together and realize that business as usual will soon no longer be usual. If that is the case, what is the big deal going 55mph versus 70 or 75 mph?

Tell your politicians that you want to travel fast over land and thus invest in rail. It is the only reasonably efficient means to cover ground over land quickly. I guarantee you however that when crunch time comes, this debate will cease to exist, it will happen so no point arguing. It is too easy a controlling mechanism and will thus be easy pickings. Low Hanging Fruit!!!

[foslrock]

Wow, someone that is entitled to have it all. You are one in 6 billion, mr texass man. You may think you are more entitled than someone in california, or hawaii, or china to drive 30,000 miles a year since you hail from the almighty land of texass...but, reality is that growth has it's limits, and if you don't think about how you consume, and try to change it, then you probably will go down with the ship too. So, I can't feel sorry for you, when it happens.

You people that masquerade here as CONSERVatives from texass are neither conservative, nor progressive. You are a bunch of anarchistic free spending fatalistic doomer liberal clowns masquerading as a bunch of john wayne tough guys.

Lemmings in big bad automobiles.

[eastbay]

... when supplies start getting short and if it'll make a difference between waiting in gas lines or not then it's going to happen. In that case just about everyone will be happy about it... even Texans... lol.

Eastbay (heh, not liberal... commie sympathizer maybe, but certainly NOT liberal)

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('foslrock', 'P')eople like you are just going to go down with the ship. Ohh well, I won't say having less texans on the planet will be a bad thing.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('foslrock', 'W')ow, someone that is entitled to have it all. You are one in 6 billion, mr texass man. You may think you are more entitled than someone in california, or hawaii, or china to drive 30,000 miles a year since you hail from the almighty land of texass...but, reality is that growth has it's limits, and if you don't think about how you consume, and try to change it, then you probably will go down with the ship too. So, I can't feel sorry for you, when it happens.

You people that masquerade here as CONSERVatives from texass are neither conservative, nor progressive. You are a bunch of anarchistic free spending fatalistic doomer liberal clowns masquerading as a bunch of john wayne tough guys.

Lemmings in big bad automobiles.

[XOVERX]

If oil is in fact a deletable resource, then this thread is a perfect example of why America, along with oil, is in decline.

If the days of cheap oil are limited, then the nation that uses the most oil in the world must do something about her energy future. It must lead the world away from the abyss. That nation must demonstrate leadership by example, and demand sacrifices from her citizens. It must elect leaders who recognize the seriousness of the end of cheap oil. Those leaders must make difficult decisions, including a reasonable highway speed that accomplishes significant oil savings.

But this thead demonstrates the America of the 21st century. An America that has turned away from the common good, envisioned by its founders, to individual selfishness, enshrined by corporate capitalism; to-wit:

* A couple of folks ("liberals"?) are willing to sacrifice speed, travel 55, and save up to 10% in domestic oil usage.

* A few folks say, "nah, we ought not to conserve and go 55, even if it works, 'cause the Chinese won't sacrifice', and I like 'Jevan's law.'"

* A few more folks say, "hell, I'm driving as fast as I want, I don't need to put up with pussy liberal goofy 55 mph laws -- that ain't American! Fuck that shit, liberal pussies."

* A few more say, "I've already sacrificed -- I bought a fuel efficient vehicle, I've done my part, so I ain't driving no 55."

There is reflected in this thread, to me at least, a microcosm of the failure of corporate capitalism. The diseased memes of corporate capitalism infecting the minds of individual Americans, creating a political gridlock that simply reinforces the status quo. A "status quo" that is dominated by . . . well, you tell me.

No thought of community, of nation, no thought of the future of the world, of their children, or mine, just "me, me, me -- thank God Almighty for the freedom to do whatever I want!"

And if cheap energy is always with us, then corporate capitalism can thrive indefinitely, spitting out more and more self-centered selfish human beings indefinitely. Building and rebuilding roads today, while tomorrow terraforming Mars, and moving out to planets and stars.

And so I can only hope to God that Peak Oil is a myth. I can only hope to God that corporate capitalism can flourish without the availability of cheap oil.

Because America has no intention of doing a damned thing about alternatives to cheap oil. America has no plan to fend off social cataclysim if Peak Oil is correct. At least not until it's too late.

Provide for the "general welfare?" That's just another bit of Jeffersonian foolishness written on paper, without substance -- hell, it's not even part of the Constitution! Bunch'a liberal bullshit.

So we Americans are just going to continue to speed along in our happy ubiquitous automobiles, and find out just what the future holds come the decline and fall of the mighty Ghawar.

We do live in interesting times.

[green_achers]

Wow. National shall-issue CCW and 55 mph. I'd be close to heaven...

Which is probably why neither is gonna happen.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('foslrock', 'W')ow, someone that is entitled to have it all. You are one in 6 billion, mr texass man. You may think you are more entitled than someone in california, or hawaii, or china to drive 30,000 miles a year since you hail from the almighty land of texass...but, reality is that growth has it's limits, and if you don't think about how you consume, and try to change it, then you probably will go down with the ship too. So, I can't feel sorry for you, when it happens.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('XOVERX', 'I')f oil is in fact a deletable resource, then this thread is a perfect example of why America, along with oil, is in decline...

...No thought of community, of nation, no thought of the future of the world, of their children, or mine, just "me, me, me -- thank God Almighty for the freedom to do whatever I want!"...

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('foslrock', 'I') would like to see you try and take what I have. First off, good luck, because, I think i'm more prepared than you, obviously. Secondly, i'm not as dependent on oil, as you must be.

I fill up a car about once a month, and I only use it for recreation, so i'm not the problem, because I have chose to not amass a megawad of debt to live the "texass faustian big dick dream of gaudy exurban living". I also tend to only eat organic food from local farms, so I don't try to contribute to the collapse by putting the pedal to the medal.

However, I am quite preparred to deal with people like you, as well. I also realize, that people like yourself will cause anarchy and decay within the system, because you have programmed yourself to be myopic in your views on the rest of the world. So, you will cause pain on others, and for that, people must prepare themselves to deal with the scourge, like yourself. But, thats just how life is.

Let me ask you this. Other than moderating a doomer site, what do you do to change and make the world a better place? Have you even thought about that? Or do you just want to be a mindless consumer mininon with an overly fatalistic death wish?

Secondly, you won't make it through the deserts. So, i'm not concerned. .

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('XOVERX', '
')If the days of cheap oil are limited, then the nation that uses the most oil in the world must do something about her energy future. It must lead the world away from the abyss.

[foslrock]

Jump the abyss. Boy is that a good one. You texassans don't even have a plan. Obviously, after seeing how you treat your mighty little land, I wonder if you even know what the heck your doing. Other than oil, texassans have very few alternatives.

[grabby]

Hey, moibe this lady is not stupid loike so many others are!

Got mo' Broins than those other blokes!

Oil bet she gets HER car Insoiroance from Goiko!
Bloidy Impressive!

Hillary 1 Bush 0

Its not the oil savings its the perception.

[jesus_of_suburbia_old]

I think if I knew my personal conservation was making some kind of impact on the overall picture I would do it more often.

I drive a small, fuel-efficient car because I am a grocery clerk and don't want to spend all my money on gas. I don't bring my own cloth bags to the check-out line, make sure I have recycle every recyclable, nor have I stopped eating meat and started drinking soy milk.

If there were some massive, civic movement to reduce our ecological footprint, I'd be more than happy to cooperate. However, until that day comes, which it probably won't, any act of personal conservation will be for the benefit of my checking account.

I want peace and equality like almost everyone else, but I ain't no sucker.

[grabby]

Yes, each person doing this makes not diff.
when the whole country does it it will make a diff.
10% is about right.

and yes it will delay peak about a month.