[grillzilla]

Jack wrote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ') Instead, I'll let others sacrifice and die.

[seven]

I agree with xoverx -

other than that, a 55 mph limit won't really hurt me - my old Accord lost 5th gear a few years ago, so I don't go over about 60 these days to avoid wearing out the transmission. A lower speed limit might mean a few less people crawling up my bumper on the highway, at least.

A 55 limit would be a huge pain in many ways - the commute to work will take substantially longer for many people, the tickets for speeding will be expensive, many insurance companies bump up your premium cost over more than one moving violation (especially speeding) in a coverage period, etc. I'm not looking forward to the mood of the country if we have 3 dollar or higher gas, PLUS a lowered highway speed limit - but it may well happen within a few years.

Hillary is out in front on this, but I imagine that other politicos will follow within the next year or two. If it is broached with the spin of making us more independent from imported oil, it will go over much better - we Americans love our 'independence', and are willing to sacrifice for it, even if in our now-entrenched consumer laziness we are no longer willing to sacrifice for 'the public good'. In our land of endless marketing, the right sales spiel is much more important than the truth.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nuke_Texas', '
')So, what do you do for a living jack? Work in the industry, or are you just a shill for doomerism?

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('grillzilla', '
')You go right ahead Jack Burn It Up I want you to know I think you deserve a round of applause for your (and fast drivers like you) sacrifice! Spending those dollars so you can die in flaming wreckage on the highway! WHAT A GUY !!!!

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nuke_Texas', 'A')ww, a bull milker. I see. Well, good luck. Texas does need its steers.

So do you think you can get a horse to go 80?

[JoeCoal]

The speed limit on the 2-lane rural highway part of my commute is already 55. I like it. I go 50 or 45 if I can get away with it. I started practicing gas-saving driving techniques and now I'm getting 410 miles out of a 12-gallon tank – used to be 350.

“Waste not, want not” always applies in any situation.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JoeCoal', '�')��Waste not, want not” always applies in any situation.

[NEOPO]

"use it or lose it" vs. "waste not want not".
55 MPH vs. THE NEED FOR SPEED.

and which one of you plebes insinuated that I appear to have all the answers ask yourself why would I be here if I did?

I propose the following:

1.50% vehicle weight reduction - maybe we could use hemp like in UP IN SMOKE
2.all bumpers match
3.mandatory diets for obese folks and fuel usage fees for excessively fat people
4. people with low i.q. are not allowed to have cars with high mph capability

Or ...for the lovely neocons of our group I propose:

We hurry up with the AMERO formation and quickly mindfuck iran and saudi arabia with our new canadian and mexican "volunteer" army and dare russia or china to do a damn thing about it!!!

Is Schlesinger still alive???

Then we can use verbage like "bitches" and "punkass" on a daily basis where other nations are concerned thus using similar methods of communication as our beloved Matt savinar

Bottom line - Mrs. president suggests conservation as one way to curb our addiction/usage/demand and these guys want to slam it going as far as to site jevons paradox

Thats rich....like a creamy nugat filling instead of brains.

Rwwff - I support you if by using more fuel you are somehow creating sustainability - otherwise you are part of the problem.

Another depression does not = apocalypse and it does not give us the right to act irresponsibly especially now so as we are much more informed then our predecessors.....spellcheck??

Conservation by the whole for the whole trumps jevons paradox otherwise all yer left with is a big fucking hole.

IMHO the environment is the real story - peak oil - peak gas - population growth - 911 - and all the other things we should be worried about sit well below Mom's potential to disrupt your sunday drive above 55.

Here's a brain tickler for the sub genius's of the group - what are the emission differences for a vehicle traveling at 45,55,65,75 mph?

Once we know that we can make another evalution of speed limit based on climate change.

Good day to you sirs!!!

[highlander]

A liberal:
wants laws passed to make everybody drive 55 to save 1 mbd
doesn't want to drill ANWR to produce 1 mbd

A conservative
wants to drill ANWR to produce 1 mbd
doesn't want to have anybody tell him how fast to drive, regardless of how much oil it might save

a neocon
wants to drill for oil and have his buddies not pay royalties
doesn't pay attention to any laws
doesn't care about peak oil, except how (s)he may profit by it

[max_power29]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'C')onservation by the whole for the whole trumps jevons paradox otherwise all yer left with is a big fucking hole.

[rwwff]

Note: I'm not picking on India on purpose here, they are just one of several very large countries who've finally decided to join the modern world by feeding enough electriicty to their population.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '
')Rwwff - I support you if by using more fuel you are somehow creating sustainability - otherwise you are part of the problem.

[JoeCoal]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '.')..I use the fuel to essentially steal a couple extra hours a day of productive time; so its the time that is the most valuable resource. After this supposed apocalypse, we'll have little fuel, but lots of time.

[Grimnir]

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[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JoeCoal', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '.')..I use the fuel to essentially steal a couple extra hours a day of productive time; so its the time that is the most valuable resource. After this supposed apocalypse, we'll have little fuel, but lots of time.

[azreal60]

So you would have no objection if your representives in congress passed a nationwide speed limit? It would be nice if only for keeping track, you know if your going over 55 your over the speed limit.
I guess it really doesn't matter much to me which way it is, I already have a 55 speed limit on alot of my roads.

Oh, but one thing to consider. Think of this as todler training for a oil drunk nation. It helps us get used to going slower as the oil goes lower. I mean, it's that or going from 100 miles an hour to 0. I believe that's called a crash. Might be useful, might not, I frankly am not going to put effort into supporting it simply because the money gleaned from it won't go towards helping make things sustainable, and the oil savings will be eaten up elsewhere.

Oh, and not to bring the subject up again, but what is it with every single mention of something political and people start talking about the right to conceal a weapon. I don't care if you carry one, but what's this thing about concealing it? If your a law abiding citizen, what's the big issue there? Might be a topic for another thread.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('azreal60', 'S')o you would have no objection if your representives in congress passed a nationwide speed limit?

[azreal60]

Yeah, sorry, that doesn't do it for me. I'm not going to get into that debate because that's totally another thread.

I guess I'm saying, what if even though your senators voted no, the nation at large votes for a 55 speed limit. Isn't that the will of the nation, ie democracy?

Oh, and the girls thing is pretty weak. Very few women I know carry guns. Just admit you want it for yourself and I'll be happy. LOL Honestly, I haven't heard of a case where a woman got hit with a concealed charge for defending herself with a concealed weapon. I don't think it's nessesary, or really something you should be making your political choices on. That's my opinion of course. But aren't there more important things?

Damn, ok, enough off topic debates from me. hehe. Time for bed. Night all.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('azreal60', '
')I guess I'm saying, what if even though your senators voted no, the nation at large votes for a 55 speed limit. Isn't that the will of the nation, ie democracy?

[NEOPO]

I am sorry but that is simply allowing your enemies to define you.

Allow me to break open the weapons issue because this 55 topic is nearing its last breathe IMO

The right to bear arms arose first and foremost so a peoples militia could train and overthrow a tyranical government if the need be.

Over the last few decades the republican party made this issue one of their babies and nourished it to the point where today traditionally hard working blue collar union people, historically democratic, vote for republicans for fear of losing the freedom of hunting with an assault rifle etc etc.

Its ok - I feel sorry for one and all if they fall for it one way or another.
Fear is the weapon of choice.
Like gay marriages - gays in the military - the war on drugs - the war on terror.

United we stand - Divided we fall

Having said that please understand completely that I believe in the right to bear arms for personal protection as well as the other reason which we so often and very sadly seem to have forgotten.

I believe that crime would go down considerably if everyone knew that everyone else could be armed.

I once felt otherwise and then this quote stirred me:
"The ultimate effect of shielding man from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools."
-- Herbert Spenser

Final comment - I am not reducing/ending my addiction to oil so some other person can use more oil - I am doing it for me, my family, the environment and a whole slew of other lesser reasons.

Save time by driving faster? If the whole world thought like that then we would ultimately lose time by reaching the peak or zero much sooner.

Since we seem to have set the standard to which all these countries are now subscribing then perhaps we can again set the standard and show them how we were wrong.

[rwwff]

It was the democrats choice to pursue banning guns. They thought they owned people, bought and payed for. They were wrong. Heck, I'll admit it, before the '93 "crime bill" I voted consistently Democrat. I even voted for Clinton in '92. Since then though, no chance. They proved their stripes then; and I've seen nothing to make me think they have learned their lesson.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '
')Save time by driving faster? If the whole world thought like that then we would ultimately lose time by reaching the peak or zero much sooner.