[DesertBear2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seven', '
')It is tempting to resent the boomers for their time of plenty, and be angry that we don't get the same cushy job/college/housing/blah deal they did - and that they weren't 'wise' with 'our' inheritance - but it's kind of pointless and unproductive.

I wouldn't be surprised to see rage at boomers translate into widespread violence by pissed off youth who don't get to have anything but an increasingly hard life - we shall see.

[max_power29]

I concede the baby boomers did in fact achieve a lot of good stuff. They also brought us political correctness and its evil right hand man: excessive tort and litigation; the pussification of america. I don't have anything against the baby boomers. what I am saying is they achieved their accopmlishments because of increasing amounts of cheaper energy. with declining expensive availiable energy, everything they worked for is going to go right out the window. They have a biased world view because of their time in history and its ridiciulous that most of them think its going to be business as usual forever and to preach this idea to young people is derisory as well.

Back to the original topic of this thread. Nobody is going to be able to afford the impossible prices on their real estate or to pay their retirement checks. Its just mathematically impossible. The government in Oregon is already starting to collapse because of its outrageously generous public employee retirement system and we haven't any seen anything yet.

[clueless]

Let me share something -

I am a "boomer" and having capitalized on both the .Com and Housing bubble scam, and beating the "Bankrupters" at their own game, I own a home outright, have some cash in the bank and have no debt.

But this still does not change the fact when I was 12 years old in 1977 and the "Boomer" generation had an opportunity to prepare future generations they chose not to.

I remember hearing all the lies, lies that are now coming to fruition that my 1.5 year old and unborn child will now have to pay for.

I am being critical of my own generation - Not attacking another one. I hear it even now, I have had discussions with so many boomer people that refuse to face reality. I was talking with the local power company and even they said our consumption was "unsustainable", and just as they (the Boomers) "collectively" ignored the issue in the 70's, they will collectively face reality now.

I don't even mind the depletion and unsustainability issues, my problem is with the lying..I was allowed to live a lie for many, many years. If kid's my age were told the truth in the 70's by the "boomer" generation perhaps this country "peak oil" or not, would be a much different place.

I was thinking over the weekend that it's pretty stupid and arrogant to design an entire civilization over the assumption of cheap and abundant petroleum for eternity.

The oil depletion issue is not the only sign, in this bogus housing bubble - Who is paying for all these captial gains ? Young people...

[max_power29]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', 'L')et me share something -

I am a "boomer" and having capitalized on both the .Com and Housing bubble scam, and beating the "Bankrupters" at their own game, I own a home outright, have some cash in the bank and have no debt.

But this still does not change the fact when I was 12 years old in 1977 and the "Boomer" generation had an opportunity to prepare future generations they chose not to.

I remember hearing all the lies, lies that are now coming to fruition that my 1.5 year old and unborn child will now have to pay for.

I am being critical of my own generation - Not attacking another one. I hear it even now, I have had discussions with so many boomer people that refuse to face reality. I was talking with the local power company and even they said our consumption was "unsustainable", and just as they (the Boomers) "collectively" ignored the issue in the 70's, they will collectively face reality now.

I don't even mind the depletion and unsustainability issues, my problem is with the lying..I was allowed to live a lie for many, many years. If kid's my age were told the truth in the 70's by the "boomer" generation perhaps this country "peak oil" or not, would be a much different place.

I was thinking over the weekend that it's pretty stupid and arrogant to design an entire civilization over the assumption of cheap and abundant petroleum for eternity.

The oil depletion issue is not the only sign, in this bogus housing bubble - Who is paying for all these captial gains ? Young people...

[clueless]

Max_power -

Is there any Mountian Biking trails or fire roads out there on the BLM land ???

I have found some fire roads out in Marcola area.

[clueless]

And I disagree with the Psycho-Capitalist in the previous anti - rant...

In the history books I read older generations were smart enough in the past to realize they needed to protect the future generations not capitalize off of them.

"Boomers" are in for a big surprise as the very people they are capitalizing off of, are the very same people who they expect to cover their behinds in the next 2-30 years...

Guess what ? it ain't gonna happen that way. There is nothing left for them to use to fuel future society. In practical terms you can't ask a generation of people to keep a society going when the previous generation has already pillaged it.

I laugh at these U of O professors who are part of this debt for diploma scam... Hey, you guys are in for a big surprise, how many more kids are going to fall for this racket ? You can make more selling cars or cutting firewood these days than you can getting an entry level corporate or govt. job, and according the the local paper future wage growth is nill and most likely will decrease.

Would any of these college profs ever teach that kind of truth ??? Not on your life.

[ClassicSpiderman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JoeW', 'T')he Boomer generation typifies what the United States have become--a group of individuals that are easily categorized as "haves" and "have-nots".
Among the "haves", there are those with post-high-school educations that were rare in their time and catapulted them to relatively easy success; and there are those who graduated high school or dropped out and took up work at whichever company would hire such an individual, and had the good fortune of never being at the receiving end of a corporate downsizing, watching their wage increase gradually each and every year.
Among the "have-nots" are those that suffered financial loss due to medical problems, corporate downsizing, and divorce... And then there are those that just never had the ambition to look much further than a low-wage job, or had such poor social or mental skill that even their fellow boomers will not now hire them for a decent wage.
"Generation X," on the other hand [my generation, by the way], typifies what the United States will soon become. Among them are the high school graduates who mainly will not be afforded many opportunities...the college graduates who will not be afforded much more...and all of them wanting to have it as good as their parents.
It is a recipe for disaster.

[ClassicSpiderman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Vexed', 'W')hen I was traveling in India, N.Africa, and Asia I was consistently surprised to find that the "Street hustlers" were often fluent in numerous languages as well. Many of them were highly self-educated. One guy who broke his back hauling me around in a rickshaw all day, addressed me in 5 languages before he guessed I was American. After buying him some formula for his starving kid, he revealed to me that he had a science degree. It was just meaningless without any jobs.

[clueless]

Slavery has not been defeated, just offshored - Like everything else.

Many man hours still go into all the garbage we buy, it's just now there is no craftsmanship involved...Just folks who man the machines 24/7 for food and shelter.

[ClassicSpiderman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('max_power29', 'I')'m not in any groups. I'm a hard core doomer. you know the "mad max" kind of doomer. My strategy is to be the "last man standing" in my neighborhood after everybody starves to death or leaves looking for food and water. I'm going to claim the whole place for my family and close friends. there is a lot of good BLM land near my neighborhood. Imagine a big scotsman on a horse with a sombrero, poncho, boots and AK-47, saying "I AM THE LAW AROUND HERE!" when you venture into my neighborhood post peak. Anybody who i have given warning caught poaching or cutting trees on my land will be dealt with harshly. I consider signs and heads on pikes fair warning for poachers and bandits.

[thuja]

Come on you Gen X whiners- I'm one of you (born '71) and I still believe we have it incredibly lucky compared to most of the world and in a historical context. We may be in debt up to our eyeballs but we can still somehow afford going out for Thai food, high speed internet and jetting to the mountains for some snowboarding when it suits us. When I grew up in the 70's my boomer parents were excited about going to some cra ppy Chinese-American restaurant or drinking Henry Weinhard's for a special celebration.

Everything is better these days- restaurants, computers, stereos, televisions, women and people of color's rights, music, beer, clothing, p orn, opportunities for world experience, cars, bikes, camping gear, etc etc.

I mean we..not the boomers...are living at the pinnacle- we have luxury and unimaginably tantalizing pleasures at our fingertips. We have more than anybody has had in human history. And, we also get to watch as it all falls apart.

So no more sob stories about how the Boomers f'ed it all up. They just played along with the game, just like we are. We'll gladly drink Microbrews, smoke superior chronic kind bud, play XBox while watching p orn and numb out when given a chance. We're smart enough to know its all going to sh it and lazy enough not to make an enormous effort to deal until we really have to.

Yeah your daddy lucked out. So did you. You're not a neandrethal peasant or a Mongol vassal, or a midevil servant. You have it all. Now cry like a baby when it all goes away. Then you can complain. But not yet.

[ClassicSpiderman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thuja', 'C')ome on you Gen X whiners- I'm one of you (born '71) and I still believe we have it incredibly lucky compared to most of the world and in a historical context. We may be in debt up to our eyeballs but we can still somehow afford going out for Thai food, high speed internet and jetting to the mountains for some snowboarding when it suits us. When I grew up in the 70's my boomer parents were excited about going to some cra ppy Chinese-American restaurant or drinking Henry Weinhard's for a special celebration.

Everything is better these days- restaurants, computers, stereos, televisions, women and people of color's rights, music, beer, clothing, p orn, opportunities for world experience, cars, bikes, camping gear, etc etc.

I mean we..not the boomers...are living at the pinnacle- we have luxury and unimaginably tantalizing pleasures at our fingertips. We have more than anybody has had in human history. And, we also get to watch as it all falls apart.

So no more sob stories about how the Boomers f'ed it all up. They just played along with the game, just like we are. We'll gladly drink Microbrews, smoke superior chronic kind bud, play XBox while watching p orn and numb out when given a chance. We're smart enough to know its all going to sh it and lazy enough not to make an enormous effort to deal until we really have to.

Yeah your daddy lucked out. So did you. You're not a neandrethal peasant or a Mongol vassal, or a midevil servant. You have it all. Now cry like a baby when it all goes away. Then you can complain. But not yet.

[Vexed]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thuja', 'C')ome on you Gen X whiners- I'm one of you (born '71) and I still believe we have it incredibly lucky compared to most of the world and in a historical context. We may be in debt up to our eyeballs but we can still somehow afford going out for Thai food, high speed internet and jetting to the mountains for some snowboarding when it suits us. When I grew up in the 70's my boomer parents were excited about going to some cra ppy Chinese-American restaurant or drinking Henry Weinhard's for a special celebration.

Everything is better these days- restaurants, computers, stereos, televisions, women and people of color's rights, music, beer, clothing, p orn, opportunities for world experience, cars, bikes, camping gear, etc etc.

I mean we..not the boomers...are living at the pinnacle- we have luxury and unimaginably tantalizing pleasures at our fingertips. We have more than anybody has had in human history. And, we also get to watch as it all falls apart.

So no more sob stories about how the Boomers f'ed it all up. They just played along with the game, just like we are. We'll gladly drink Microbrews, smoke superior chronic kind bud, play XBox while watching p orn and numb out when given a chance. We're smart enough to know its all going to sh it and lazy enough not to make an enormous effort to deal until we really have to.

Yeah your daddy lucked out. So did you. You're not a neandrethal peasant or a Mongol vassal, or a midevil servant. You have it all. Now cry like a baby when it all goes away. Then you can complain. But not yet.

[max_power29]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', 'M')ax_power -

Is there any Mountian Biking trails or fire roads out there on the BLM land ???

I have found some fire roads out in Marcola area.

[max_power29]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClassicSpiderman', '
')
I like your style. How about this--maybe you should blackmail the entire economics profession by threatening to spill the beans on their BS (their claims of labor shortages, the success of globalization, etc) unless they give you a really good-paying job. I won't hold it against you if you become part of the talking head establishment. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

[max_power29]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thuja', 'C')ome on you Gen X whiners- I'm one of you (born '71) and I still believe we have it incredibly lucky compared to most of the world and in a historical context. We may be in debt up to our eyeballs but we can still somehow afford going out for Thai food, high speed internet and jetting to the mountains for some snowboarding when it suits us. When I grew up in the 70's my boomer parents were excited about going to some cra ppy Chinese-American restaurant or drinking Henry Weinhard's for a special celebration.

Everything is better these days- restaurants, computers, stereos, televisions, women and people of color's rights, music, beer, clothing, p orn, opportunities for world experience, cars, bikes, camping gear, etc etc.

I mean we..not the boomers...are living at the pinnacle- we have luxury and unimaginably tantalizing pleasures at our fingertips. We have more than anybody has had in human history. And, we also get to watch as it all falls apart.

So no more sob stories about how the Boomers f'ed it all up. They just played along with the game, just like we are. We'll gladly drink Microbrews, smoke superior chronic kind bud, play XBox while watching p orn and numb out when given a chance. We're smart enough to know its all going to sh it and lazy enough not to make an enormous effort to deal until we really have to.

Yeah your daddy lucked out. So did you. You're not a neandrethal peasant or a Mongol vassal, or a midevil servant. You have it all. Now cry like a baby when it all goes away. Then you can complain. But not yet.

[clueless]

Spiderman -

The economic system will take care of itself. I can't understand the system of "Higher Education" we have in this country. If anything it is only higher to the white collar welfare recipient college profs who are only interested in lining thier own retirement nest eggs. Want a system of higher eduction ? How about teaching kids the truth ? Are the teachers that stupid ?

They are from the same stock that allowed retirement savings to be transfered from the poor masses to the rich robber barrons during the .com crash. I lived in Sillycon Valley all the while hearing all these crooks (which were empowered by Clinton, so it's not only Bush whose the crook), say they had "no Knowledge" of the coming crash, in spite of the fact they were able to forecast growth fairly accurately for 3-5 years. Same thing is happeing with the "Housing Bubble" Boomers are cashing in while the poor are being taken advantage of.

This is lying plain and simple - And it is continuing even today. I know Max_Power is not feeling sorry for himself, he is probably just wondering as many of us are, whay have we been lied to ?

Want to set a generation free - Try telling them the truth. There will be no cushy jobs in a couple years, so we may as well all get used to getting our hands dirty.

Sorry for the rant.......

[ClassicSpiderman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('max_power29', 'M')y boomer parents can't figure out for the life of them why i havent been able to land a cushy job yet.

[ClassicSpiderman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', 'T')he economic system will take care of itself. I can't understand the system of "Higher Education" we have in this country. If anything it is only higher to the white collar welfare recipient college profs who are only interested in lining thier own retirement nest eggs. Want a system of higher eduction ? How about teaching kids the truth ? Are the teachers that stupid ?

[Vexed]

ClassicSpiderman Wrote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') told a bunch of people back in 1999 that the entire dot com boom would come to a crash and people would lose the shirts off their backs. I was laughed out of the room and told that the market for internet and information services would keep growing indefinitely.