[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('warmh2o', 'H')ow long will fishing line keep without getting brittle? I thought it was about a year or two.

[ironborne]

Thank you Thuja for giving me my morning laugh. Your observation was dead on. I worked for a guy once that was always complaining about how the landfills are full of dirty diapers and that people are too lazy, they should use cloth. I found out later that he had never changed a diaper with any of his kids.

[Aimrehtopyh]

Inner tubes and bicycle pumps seem to have been skipped over. If Biking becomes the only affordable transportation these will deplete quickly. Storage tips.

Consider how poorly modern humans tolerate silence, we seem to be in need of entertainment/background noise nonstop or we flip out. This is a sad character trait but why not capitalize on it?
Musical instruments are expensive and require great skill to use, so they're out. Electronic music players require batteries or at least an operating radio station withing range so they're pretty pointless. Figure out how to run an mp3 player with a shakelight or solar and you'll be a god. Does anybody still make wind-up phonographs?

[mikeh433]

Many good ideas here. I will follow. Gloves and socks and skin treatment ointments is one thing I think of. Pest treatments and instect repellents (know-how?). I'm thinking blisters and soreness stuff.

[fireplaceguy]

Nails. Framing nails. Finishing nails. Perhaps a few extra hammers...

Bolts, nuts, washers, screws. Wrenches, socket sets, screwdrivers.

How about hacksaws and spare blades?

Garden tools...

[TorrKing]

Has anyone mentioned fishing nets? They are incredibly cheap today, but takes a lot of time and effort to make by hand.

Torjus Gaaren

[MaterialExcess]

The best barter item is a market in which to trade your wares.

[Laurasia]

A good thing to stock for barter would be bug repellent and sunblock. Here in the Mid South US we're getting distinctly hot humid weather now and as usual, yours truly gets attacked by everything that flies. They even bite me through my shirt! On second thoughts I'll only trade the sunblock and hang on to the bug repellent!

Regards,

L.

[Jellric]

There is a difference between a good barter item and a good survival item. In other words, for Heaven's sake don't trade items that you yourself will be needing for survival!!

And I must say I'm seeing a lot of confusion here between the two- survival vs. barter. You must understand that (at least initially) there is a third Post-collapse category: Essential Comfort items!

Don't trade your EC items! For example men, trading away any tampons in your party's possession might well shorten your own survival if any women are in your group!!

I, for one, would be hard pressed to trade away Jack Daniels, or name brand fine alcohols- they will be irreplacable. Someone mentioned people not wanting White Zin, but do you think if you approached a wino even today he would turn it down? In other words, wine may be down the preferred list a notch, but when faced with a dry night, week, month, decade..White Zin will be just fine, thank you.

[TorrKing]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jellric', 'E')ssential Comfort items!

Don't trade your EC items! For example men, trading away any tampons in your party's possession might well shorten your own survival if any women are in your group!!

[Jellric]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he feeling of comfort is in quite a short time adjusted to your situation.

[mikeh433]

Items Already found for me to be of invaluable use: Bleach - cleans old smelly sponges to brand new, minus the wear and tear + for laundry and tiny amounts, if nneded for water purification or sterilization.

Of course wheat grinder if you got wheat. Will provide food to live on.

Silver colloidal maker will keep you alive in event of bacterial or virus infestation that kills many others.

If you have tools, make sure they were NOT manufactured in China. If so, find others made in USA or Europe, because everything, every-fvcking-thing manufacutred in China is specifically designed to break down in short time. Not an accident of cheap manufacturing - which it is indeed is, but otherwise by tptb, is designed to be anything but useful.

And you basically need a higher power from a higher plane to guide you thru turoil. Use it and like it.

And don't worry much about anything if you are wise. Do what you can, but don't worry much. Things work out as they do.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mikeh433', '
')If you have tools, make sure they were NOT manufactured in China.

[Aimrehtopyh]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')iquid bleach loses strength over time. For this reason I mark each bleach container with the current date. If the bleach is one-year-old, double the amount. Two-year-old bleach should not be used.

[mikeh433]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mikeh433', '
')If you have tools, make sure they were NOT manufactured in China.

[kjmclark]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I'), for one, would be hard pressed to trade away Jack Daniels, or name brand fine alcohols- they will be irreplacable.

[spear]

This is where the skills part comes in.Know how to make a still?Know how to get access to stuff to put in it?
If not,a case or two of good whiskey in the basement cant hurt.
Plus it gets better with time.
But Metaxa coniac might be more valuable.lol

[NeoPeasant]

I don't know why everyone thinks alchoholic beverages are going to be so valuable. Dr. Welch became famous for inventing a pasteurization method to make grape juice NOT ferment into wine, which it would inevitably do on its own otherwise. Making something that will get you drunk is a technology at least as old as fire. And distillation is not much newer.

Anyone that would pay a high price for alchohol (name brand or not) in an environment where survival is on the line is an idiot and they will all be dead soon.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NeoPeasant', '
')Anyone that would pay a high price for alchohol (name brand or not) in an environment where survival is on the line is an idiot and they will all be dead soon.

[NeoPeasant]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NeoPeasant', '
')Anyone that would pay a high price for alchohol (name brand or not) in an environment where survival is on the line is an idiot and they will all be dead soon.