[NiKfUrY69]

Bury it. PVC pipe with glued end caps. Bury vertically. Capacity varies with pipe width. Toss in some dessicant if needed for the materials or your local environ.

Later - NiK

[topcat]

NikfUrY69 (or anyone else) -- Question: Why bury it vertically? Less disturbed ground area?

Thanks.

[seahorse]

Topcat,

If the question is why bury weapons or metal items vertically, its to reduce the amount of "signature" given to someone searching witha metal detector.

[topcat]

Thanks Seahorse, makes sense to me. Maybe I should plan on getting a good metal detector some day as others will have them.

On the barter issue, here is what I was thinking the other day in my shop. "Hand tools"

Sure everyone here at PO has lots of them, but think of the families that have two screwdrivers, a pair of pliers, and a hammer and feel they have all the tools they will ever need.

Here at the farm, we have two of everything, and three or five of most things.

If you have the space to store things, go to auctions or garage sales and get extra tools. Just think what a good hand saw, pry bar, and whetstone would be worth and then realize that you can now buy them all for $2. And if ten years from now we still have a modern civilzation, you will always be able to sell them for what you spent in the first place.

[ThePostman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lapulapu', 'H')ow and where is one suppose to SECURELY store/wharehouse all this goodies and have regular access to it during the slide?

[Blacksmith]

My all time favorite primers, easy to store, easy to hide, and difficut
lt but not impossible to reproduce.

[mel1962]

Well here is my list of thinks to stockpile:

Because paper money will be worthless IMHO.

Silver coins (Before 1964) dimes, quarters, half dollars & dollars, now worth 10 times their face value versus metal.

Nickles are now worth double their price.

Pennies (Before 1982) are worth double face value.

Pennies (After 1982) are worth more than their face value.

Other things to barter would be those that are renewable like fire wood, fruit, vegtables, fish, fresh water, etc. Things you create and will help sustain yourself through your own labor.

You could stock up on other things like hand crank computers, radios, tvs, etc.

If you have these items you can trade for just about anything.

I would worry about first having sufficient supplies and plans to take care of your family first. Somebody who is seen as a profiteer may end up at the end of a rope! If you know what I mean!

[Sheb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OneLoneClone', 'I')n eastern europe I used to work alongside refugees from former Yugoslavia (this was during around 90-94). When they went home to visit family in the war zone they mostly brought coffee, booze, chocolate, and shampoo - as I recall.

[Sheb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NeoPeasant', '
')In trying times and scarcity, people will wake up from the Madison Avenue cultivated delusion that they are discriminating connoisseurs of finely crafted distilled beverages and realize that they just want to get drunk. Preferrably on something that won't make them puke their guts out or go blind. Sure the top shelf booze is good stuff when you can get it, but I ain't trading any firearms for it.

[lady-t]

paper and #2 lead pencils and lots of them. they will store forever and are useful.

cloth and thread.

pipes and pipe cleaners for tobacco

leather working tools

radio flyer wagons

wheelbarrows

wind up clocks

washboards

scrub brushes

percolator coffee pots

chicory

beef and chicken bullion

hand carpentry tools

sodium silicate for waterglassing eggs.

magnifying glasses

plastic tarps

large brimmed hats or ballcaps

cast iron cookware

water barrels and buckets

poison ivy medication

athletes foot medication

jock itch medication

yeast infection medication

scissors

good knives

butchering equipment ( bone saw, skinning, etc.)

barbed wire and ties

baling wire

good rope

scythes and grass whips pitchforks and good rakes

fly swatters

bee netting for head- don't want to get stung

brushes and combs

canning supplies

most of these items have NO shelf life and most will be hard to get post peak.

[return1880s]

Very good posts! Let me add my opinion.


1. Alcohol can easily be made. Don't bother wasting valuable space with brand name wines. Make some and sell it.
2. I am against smoking and besides those who quit smoking will have better chances of survival.
3. Who needs condoms? Abstinence is the 100% proven concreptive and those who want children can go ahead and mate without condoms
4. Why waste time and space keeping pennies and nickels? I would rather stock up on far more valuable stuff that occupies the same space.
5. No one is going to care about electronics. No energy to power them. Batteries won't last long


Small, valuable items:

1. aspirin tablets and other common medicines
2. waterproof matches
3. lighters
4. silver/gold coins and bullion.
5. jewerly
6. band aids
7. pencils
8. solar power calculators
9. rubbing alcohol pads
10. nails/screws
11. forks and knives
12. fishing line and hooks
13. glue
14. tape
15. reading glasses/magnifier
16. toothbrush
17. soaps, shampoos, toothpaste
18. shaving razors
19. spices
20. string/rope/wire
21. all kinds of seeds(trade early on)
22. bullets


There may be more.

Large valuable things:

1. axes
2. handsaws
3. big knives/swords/arrows
4. towels
5. cloth and boots
6. blankets/sheets
7. can openers

Theres plenty more to think of. Trade away some of the small, valuable supplies(for other supplies essental to survival). Keep the rest for your own survival.

Oh one more thing, used cars will be extremely valuable as shelter, greenhouse or take apart for materials. I can see lots of cars being used for that. Either keep your obsolete cars or sell for many other resources.

[Ferretlover]

It seems to me that if you have something and somebody else Doesn’t have it, it will have value:
*boullion-all flavors. Keeps for years, and will come in handy when one doesn’t have any meat for the soup pot; *summer and winter weight linens (sheets, blankets, etc); *jeans (may be hard to wash, but will be tradable); *treadle sewing machine ; *thread, needles, scissors, fabric (I'm a quilter-can you tell? lol); *plywood (to block those windows from predators, and in case of bad weather damage); *might also want to consider blackout drapes & curtains; *nails, screws, (all sizes--did you know that if you place those little silicone packets you find in shoe boxes in with the screws/nails, they won't rust?); *containers for food storage-(all sizes) canning jars, 'tupper ware, those large water jugs that you can buy from grocery stores, ziploc baggies, etc; *paper plates (yes, I know--but, if water is a premium...); *outdoor fireplace/baking oven--this is also good for canning-won't have all that steam in the house in the summer; *boxes of printer paper-for keeping records, and for schoolwork if there are children (making paper would be difficult); *pencils, pens, etc don't forget the pencil sharpeners!; *thermal drapes to keep out heat or cold air; *liquid soaps-for personal grooming, dishes, clothing; *bleach-for clothes and disinfectant; *radios-there are lots of handcrank (that don't require external electricity or batteries); *candles, candle holders and those 'shake and light' flashlights; *wooden matches (paper ones do asborb moisture too quickly); *wood splitting tools--axes, awls, etc; *hammers, saws, pruning tools; *baskets with handles (unless you plan to use pillowcases!); *build Lots of shelves now-while the wood is available!; *reference books-dictionaries, etc.. for schooling; *old style washing machine, washboards; *clothes pins, clothes lines; *gardening tools-shovels, hoes, picks, etc; *find plans for root celler, ice house, smoke house; *convert all gas burning fireplaces to wood burning; add fireplace to kitchen if possible; *convert all baywindows, patio doors to smaller versions-easier to maintain, helps with temp. control, and better to defend; *medical supplies-antibiotic ointments, bandaids and bandages/tape, rubbing alcohol, hydrogen peroxide, epsom salts, etc ; *uv protection, anti-insect sprays; *hats and sunglasses; *winter gear: hats, gloves, snow boots if applicable, etc; *skis, sleds; *if you have acreage, perhaps a small ATV?; *bicycles extra tires, etc.. I have heard that someone makes solid cores for bike tires so that you don't have to worry about punctured inner tubes; *calendars and windup clocks; *water purifying systems; *metal buckets-for all kinds of things including fire protection (sand, water); *safe for wills, birth certiificates, deeds, and money; *binoculars, telescopes; *salt for canning, preserving meat, etc; *salt tablets to prevent dehydration; *solid and liquid cooking oils; spices; *lubricants for tools; *solar panels, windmill (for power and/or water recovery); *chains and locks for securing property and out buildings; *solar powered fans;*bee keeping supplies-for honey and pollination; *solar powered 'street' lights that work on a switch (there may be times when you don't want to draw attention); *weapons-guns, crossbows --unfortunately, they will probably be needed for protection of people and property; * A water quality testing kit will probably be a necessity, too; *Barrels for burning trash (I am assuming that there will be no trash pick-up); *organic insecticides (is there such a thing?); *canning supplies (things like pots, tongs, etc for processing); *metal barrel(s) for burning trash; *shutters for windows; *large bowls for food prep; *butter churn?; *check out antique/junk stores for things like hand crank meat grinders, etc; *books about edible or poisonous plants, animals, etc; *fishing supplies: poles, hooks. lines, lures; *traps: mouse/rat, edible animals, garden pests; *ropes-different sizes and lengths; *toothbrushes, combs, etc; *ace bandages, cotton balls, qtips, plaster of paris (for broken limbs); *scales-to weigh meat, veggies, etc; *socks, underwear, shoes; *old-fashioned coffee pot (stove-top); *small boat for fishing, to escape floods; *face masks-ie: infectious diseases, dust storms; *razors for shaving; *ham radio; *butchering equip; *seedling containers; *playing cards; *a big bell (for calling people or for signaling danger); *extra eyeglasses; *weather vane; *maps: topography, water tables, rivers, etc; *removable bars for windows; *fuses; *barometer, thermometers; *tape: double-sided, duct, electrical, transparent; *liquor (if you don't drink will be good for trading); *snow shoes; *ladders; *nets for fruit trees; *shoe strings!; *toothpaste, baking soda; *aspirin, tylenon; *herbal medicine books; *window shutters; *rain water barrels, small water tower; *light bulbs; *hoses, sprinklers; *wagon?; *barbed wire; *brooms, mops; *coffee, tea –in any form, instant, beans, ground, loose or packets; *knife, tool, etc., sharpeners; *empty sandbags; *solar powered lights; *winch, pulleys; *television and/o radio antennas; *I have no idea how mail will be handled..... sigh… anybody got next week’s winning lottery numbers??

[Grautr]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NeoPeasant', 'T')he liquor will only work until people start to figure out what happens when you sprinkle some yeast into a container of sugary liquid and put it on a shelf for a few weeks.

Which makes me think - good brewing yeast will be worth it's weight in silver, if not gold.

[frankthetank]

Solder, 3/4 copper piping and a couple of tanks of MAPP. Don't forget the flux and some sandpaper. You can't imagine the havoc no natural gas will have on pipes (bursting/busting/pinhole leaks).

[Ferretlover]

Bar soap vs liquid soap-bar soap very quickly begins to grow different nasty things on it... Liquid soap can't be contaminated as quickly...

[Pops]

So much effort tapping keys expounding on things few will do.

How many that posted here have more than a couple weeks groceries, fuel and water?

What this whole thread is missing is that stockpiling is for the short term: a pantry, a granary, a pasture, a woodpile, etc.

If you think you may need to barter, what you need is a distribution channel from the producer to the consumer, not a bunker full of toilet paper. And if you think there will all of a sudden be no producers why are you tapping here anyway instead of staking out your territory in some remote rainforest?

Unless you are wealthy beyond comprehension you can not hoard your way to security and any false sense of security you may gain will evaporate as you realize you just wiped your butt with the last cardboard tube.

If Marco Polo can build a distribution network in his day I suppose some of us might come up with an idea or two on the same lines.

Or maybe I am just spoilin the fun.

Sorry, fantasize away…

[return1880s]

I for one arent gonna stock on toilet paper and paper towels other than a short supply. Don't need to waste space, can use water to clean butt The items I mentioned above will make great barter value because not everyone will remember to stock up and will run short.

[kjmclark]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'H')ow many that posted here have more than a couple weeks groceries, fuel and water?

What this whole thread is missing is that stockpiling is for the short term: a pantry, a granary, a pasture, a woodpile, etc.

[Pops]

Thanks for the reply kjm.

I started a few of the short term preparedness threads here as well as linking the website for FEMAs 72hr kit and certain other things.

And certainly I am one to cheer on anyone striving to have a little set aside for the rainy and blustery day.

Not to mention the day the last paycheck comes.

I just gottta poke the folks who think they can buy and stock their way to security.

I ain’t gonna talk about Reapers Inc. - that is someone else’s foil. But I will venture to say the effort expended here both by the folks who type and those who read all this could be much better spent….

Of course at first you don’t have to out run the bear but only the other guy.

Gotta remember the bear will get hungry again though…