$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MJ', ' ')Anyway, I'm trying to say here, this was a brilliantly executed hoax.
It shows that, whoever created the JT hoax, had a strong and clear vision of the way we as a society would evolve.
For the record: this IS a hoax! .
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Re: John Titor and the analogy with PO
by KevO » Mon 05 Sep 2005, 08:37:36
from
http://johntitor.strategicbrains.com/
is
He's gone now, back to 2036 he said he was going in his last posting on March 24, 2001, and the threads he left across the Web in his five months with us have been slowly evaporating since then. As time passes and interest in Titor's story grows, new "Titor" material and imposters emerge, and self-styled debunkers may go so far as to claim the story's already been proven a hoax (although so far there's never been any such actual proof offered).
MJ, Is there some web site you know of where all his predictions etc are laid down?
This is great material for a stoner night!
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Re: John Titor and the analogy with PO
by gg3 » Mon 05 Sep 2005, 08:45:09
I think I know the guy.
Some years ago, at a party of the sort that's attended by the "avant-garde (sp?) intellectual elite" in the San Francisco Bay Area, I overheard a conversation between two individuals I know.
Where I started paying attention, I heard:
A: "So *you're* the Traveler!"
B: "Yes."
A: "You had all of us wondering. Why'd you do it?"
B: "To get you thinking...."
There was more, but that's the part I remember most clearly. I don't know if "The Traveler" is identical with "The Time Traveler," but the name Titor sounded familiar first time I heard it, and the rest of the story fits pretty darn well.
The person identified as "B" (I'm not going to use their real initials or names) could be described as follows: Brilliant, excellent writing skills, highly creative, slightly bipolar, slightly egotistical, wide-ranging intellect, incredibly good grasp of comparative religion & philosophy, reasonable layperson's knowledge of the physical, biological, and human/social sciences, modest computer background, low threshold for belief in unusual stories of all kinds.
I forgot to ask these guys last time I talked with them, but next time I'll put the question to them.
So in that context, "hoax" is too strong a word. More like participatory fiction. A science fiction story where the audience contributes to the story development.
Well he certainly did get people thinking. And I wouldn't doubt he was able to foresee a decent number of trends, as is anyone with reasonable smarts who gives themselves the time to let their mind run free and envision where present trends are leading (for instance I was writing about jihadi terrorists, the internet, and so on in 1984).
The key point about intuitive envisioning of possible futures, is to not be constrained by what you consciously want to see happen. For instance, here on this site we have some obvious Hobbsians, a couple of Kantians, as well as various flavors of optimists, pessimists, doomsdayers, and so on. All too easy to "envision" a future that's consistent with one's own philosophy. But let the wheels turn on their own, and your subconscious mind starts coming up with stuff, and what you get is a whole lot more interesting and in many ways unexpected. And some of it, occasionally, hits the truth square on target.
Some years ago, at a party of the sort that's attended by the "avant-garde (sp?) intellectual elite" in the San Francisco Bay Area, I overheard a conversation between two individuals I know.
Where I started paying attention, I heard:
A: "So *you're* the Traveler!"
B: "Yes."
A: "You had all of us wondering. Why'd you do it?"
B: "To get you thinking...."
There was more, but that's the part I remember most clearly. I don't know if "The Traveler" is identical with "The Time Traveler," but the name Titor sounded familiar first time I heard it, and the rest of the story fits pretty darn well.
The person identified as "B" (I'm not going to use their real initials or names) could be described as follows: Brilliant, excellent writing skills, highly creative, slightly bipolar, slightly egotistical, wide-ranging intellect, incredibly good grasp of comparative religion & philosophy, reasonable layperson's knowledge of the physical, biological, and human/social sciences, modest computer background, low threshold for belief in unusual stories of all kinds.
I forgot to ask these guys last time I talked with them, but next time I'll put the question to them.
So in that context, "hoax" is too strong a word. More like participatory fiction. A science fiction story where the audience contributes to the story development.
Well he certainly did get people thinking. And I wouldn't doubt he was able to foresee a decent number of trends, as is anyone with reasonable smarts who gives themselves the time to let their mind run free and envision where present trends are leading (for instance I was writing about jihadi terrorists, the internet, and so on in 1984).
The key point about intuitive envisioning of possible futures, is to not be constrained by what you consciously want to see happen. For instance, here on this site we have some obvious Hobbsians, a couple of Kantians, as well as various flavors of optimists, pessimists, doomsdayers, and so on. All too easy to "envision" a future that's consistent with one's own philosophy. But let the wheels turn on their own, and your subconscious mind starts coming up with stuff, and what you get is a whole lot more interesting and in many ways unexpected. And some of it, occasionally, hits the truth square on target.
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Re: John Titor and the analogy with PO
by americandream » Mon 05 Sep 2005, 09:03:44
It does not require a great intellect to deduce that a global system driven by profit alone at the expense of looting the resources of a planet under the guise of development must at some stage encounter immense difficulties..at that point, will we move to the next stage of development necessary to corral human ingenuiity for a transition out of the progressive decay that onsets..rather difficult to see given that community effort is such a distant memory in our incredibly polarised society. I suspoect we will see the gradual spread of Somali/Afghanistani type chaos with odd pockets of civil society on those countries with the ability to marshall their populations.
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Re: John Titor and the analogy with PO
by MJ » Mon 05 Sep 2005, 09:10:20
The strategicbrain site you have there has a lot of stuff archived.
http://communities.anomalies.net is also a good place to start. I have a printout (well over 150 pages) with the complete "series" (so to speak) I'll have a look tonight where I got them from.
http://communities.anomalies.net is also a good place to start. I have a printout (well over 150 pages) with the complete "series" (so to speak) I'll have a look tonight where I got them from.
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John Titor - The Movie!
by Carrie » Tue 14 Feb 2006, 14:38:00
For all you John Titor fans out there, apparently there's a movie coming out about him. Looks sort of like Terminator. 
John Titor Movie Stills
Also, there's an interview on Feb. 17th on Coast to Coast AM scheduled with the lawyer supposedly representing his family, as well as his "mother". Coast to Coast AM It's probably a hoax, but even so, he's still an internet legend.
John Titor Movie Stills
Also, there's an interview on Feb. 17th on Coast to Coast AM scheduled with the lawyer supposedly representing his family, as well as his "mother". Coast to Coast AM It's probably a hoax, but even so, he's still an internet legend.
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Re: John Titor - The Movie!
by PrairieMule » Tue 14 Feb 2006, 15:16:31
OhhhhhhhhHHH! Me love John Titor story! Me eat it up like cookies!Ammmnyamnammmnyamyam, TITOR!Ammmnyamnammmnyamyam MORE TITOR COOKIES!Ammmnyamnammmnyamyam
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Re: John Titor - The Movie!
by NonToxic » Tue 14 Feb 2006, 16:40:21
John Titor, the supposed time traveler from 2036.
"Although there is debate over the exact date it started, on November 02, 2000, a person calling themselves Timetravel_0, and later John Titor, started posting on a public forum that he was a time traveler from the year 2036.
One of the first things he did was post pictures of his time machine and its operations manual. As the weeks went by, more and more people began questioning him about why he was here, the physics of time travel and his thoughts about our time. He also posted on other forums including the now non-existent Art Bell site. In his posts John Titor entertained, angered, frightened and even belittled those who engaged him in conversation.
On March 21, 2001, John Titor told us he would be leaving our and returning to 2036. After that, he was never heard from again. Speculation and investigation about who John Titor was and why he was online continues to this day."
That was one funny post P.M. LOL...
"Although there is debate over the exact date it started, on November 02, 2000, a person calling themselves Timetravel_0, and later John Titor, started posting on a public forum that he was a time traveler from the year 2036.
One of the first things he did was post pictures of his time machine and its operations manual. As the weeks went by, more and more people began questioning him about why he was here, the physics of time travel and his thoughts about our time. He also posted on other forums including the now non-existent Art Bell site. In his posts John Titor entertained, angered, frightened and even belittled those who engaged him in conversation.
On March 21, 2001, John Titor told us he would be leaving our and returning to 2036. After that, he was never heard from again. Speculation and investigation about who John Titor was and why he was online continues to this day."
That was one funny post P.M. LOL...
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Re: John Titor - The Movie!
by PrairieMule » Tue 14 Feb 2006, 16:59:59
Worrier,
Here is the lowdown on John Titor. In late 2000 through march 2001 a man started posting under the name timetraveler_0. The man's story was claimed he was from the year 2036 and was sent back in time to 1975 to retrieve a critical component of a IBM computer. He made pitstop halfway to meet his parents where he resided and posted from their house in the presence of a 3 year old verson from himself. He claimed America would go into a civil war between 2005 through 2012. The end result would be a short nuclear exhange with russia and the country would be divided into 5 territories with the capital in Omaha, Nebraska. He also mentioned a woman president in 2008.
He claimed in the future we would return to a decentralized, more Libretarian and agrarian based society. He warned about mad cow disease, the folly of overconsumption, and urged everyone to get a copy of the constitution and learn how to clean a firearm.
His technology used some sort of gravitational distortion machine that used mini-black holes to time travel first in a 2036 Chevy Corvette and 1975 Chevrolet pickup. He belonged to a army unit based in Florida that retrieved items from time.
I think it's one of the great example of the ultimate frat pranks, but some of the stuff posted 5 years ago is creepy. It was rumored that John Titor was infact Douglass Adams author of the Hitchiker's guide to the galaxy. This is great story and if you have the time you can find his original posts on google.
Here is the lowdown on John Titor. In late 2000 through march 2001 a man started posting under the name timetraveler_0. The man's story was claimed he was from the year 2036 and was sent back in time to 1975 to retrieve a critical component of a IBM computer. He made pitstop halfway to meet his parents where he resided and posted from their house in the presence of a 3 year old verson from himself. He claimed America would go into a civil war between 2005 through 2012. The end result would be a short nuclear exhange with russia and the country would be divided into 5 territories with the capital in Omaha, Nebraska. He also mentioned a woman president in 2008.
He claimed in the future we would return to a decentralized, more Libretarian and agrarian based society. He warned about mad cow disease, the folly of overconsumption, and urged everyone to get a copy of the constitution and learn how to clean a firearm.
His technology used some sort of gravitational distortion machine that used mini-black holes to time travel first in a 2036 Chevy Corvette and 1975 Chevrolet pickup. He belonged to a army unit based in Florida that retrieved items from time.
I think it's one of the great example of the ultimate frat pranks, but some of the stuff posted 5 years ago is creepy. It was rumored that John Titor was infact Douglass Adams author of the Hitchiker's guide to the galaxy. This is great story and if you have the time you can find his original posts on google.
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John Titor the timewarrior.
by Whitefang » Sat 20 May 2006, 06:13:29
link Let me get on with some more loony talk, JT the time traveller. Could at least give a good laugh which is needed to overcome our self pity, mine first.
Still remarkable weather issues and social upheaval ahead that could trigger a John Titor timeline kind of thing:
-2005 start civil war government and people with Waco happenings like special forces shooting American civilians at homeland for security reasons
-2008 east coast flooding by big waves
-next decade open warfare cities-rural
-2015 Russia helps insurgents with nuking US targets
His advise is to go North and pack your survival gear. Best to be sceptic when dealing with time travellers, but seeing US idiocy unfold I agree with JT and see the current civil war of special forces, FEMA, Feds, neo nazi cons with Jewish Billionaires 911 hassle.
I do expect a very short WW3 next decade and hope it to be later for having more time to prepare living coastal BC Canada. I guess pretty dumb when nothing much happens and cities stay alive, family and friends will have a good laugh when we return from the wilderness and find people still living. I love to go wild, run for the mountains anyway, a years long vacation without luxury, with hunger, cold and difficult but rewarding and a fair chance to stay alive.
I think the only place that can be liveable next decade and at least gives a chance to make it out alive, is nature. To me it feels as we people are Jews just before the nazi wars and I am sure the ones that went west and survived were smarter then the people that stayed in town.
Two choices, stay put and hope that your government and current community feelings will take care of you or get out, get away into nature and start all over. What are you going to do when this madness goes down for good?
JT could be just a scam, but the big bang is sure to be on it's way starting with economy and civil wars in urban area's, a global affair that will humble humans, dethrone our paramount self importance and hopefully set up means to get rid of our petty little tyrant personalities for good. No more kings and queens! A fresh start for those that are alive from 2020.
We dumb and smartasses on the net probably keep posting wasting time for action to get in gear and shape for the inevitable. I guess we need a strong body, experience and stability of mind to get out of indulging in fear, hunger, pain, cold and the like. Practical skills to keep warm.
So best to start working out, learn to make fire without lighter, get close to nature by living next to it.
Keep city life going until well before the lights go out and gangs of roving bands stand in your way, including rural area's. Well, who wants to change anyway........we like easy and fast.
Still remarkable weather issues and social upheaval ahead that could trigger a John Titor timeline kind of thing:
-2005 start civil war government and people with Waco happenings like special forces shooting American civilians at homeland for security reasons
-2008 east coast flooding by big waves
-next decade open warfare cities-rural
-2015 Russia helps insurgents with nuking US targets
His advise is to go North and pack your survival gear. Best to be sceptic when dealing with time travellers, but seeing US idiocy unfold I agree with JT and see the current civil war of special forces, FEMA, Feds, neo nazi cons with Jewish Billionaires 911 hassle.
I do expect a very short WW3 next decade and hope it to be later for having more time to prepare living coastal BC Canada. I guess pretty dumb when nothing much happens and cities stay alive, family and friends will have a good laugh when we return from the wilderness and find people still living. I love to go wild, run for the mountains anyway, a years long vacation without luxury, with hunger, cold and difficult but rewarding and a fair chance to stay alive.
I think the only place that can be liveable next decade and at least gives a chance to make it out alive, is nature. To me it feels as we people are Jews just before the nazi wars and I am sure the ones that went west and survived were smarter then the people that stayed in town.
Two choices, stay put and hope that your government and current community feelings will take care of you or get out, get away into nature and start all over. What are you going to do when this madness goes down for good?
JT could be just a scam, but the big bang is sure to be on it's way starting with economy and civil wars in urban area's, a global affair that will humble humans, dethrone our paramount self importance and hopefully set up means to get rid of our petty little tyrant personalities for good. No more kings and queens! A fresh start for those that are alive from 2020.
We dumb and smartasses on the net probably keep posting wasting time for action to get in gear and shape for the inevitable. I guess we need a strong body, experience and stability of mind to get out of indulging in fear, hunger, pain, cold and the like. Practical skills to keep warm.
So best to start working out, learn to make fire without lighter, get close to nature by living next to it.
Keep city life going until well before the lights go out and gangs of roving bands stand in your way, including rural area's. Well, who wants to change anyway........we like easy and fast.
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Re: John Titor the timewarrior.
by Dukat_Reloaded » Sat 20 May 2006, 09:07:49
His predictions have not come true, 2004-2005 was ment to be the start of the American civil war, something stupid like a war between the north & south.
When you hear stories like this, you have to weigh up the probablity of it being true or false. eg, Chances the whole thing was a prank 99.99%, Chances john traveled back in time to warn the world of the comming crisis in the future via the internet, .01% chance.
When I weigh the two likely probablities, it's most probable that it is a fraud by a large margin.
When you hear stories like this, you have to weigh up the probablity of it being true or false. eg, Chances the whole thing was a prank 99.99%, Chances john traveled back in time to warn the world of the comming crisis in the future via the internet, .01% chance.
When I weigh the two likely probablities, it's most probable that it is a fraud by a large margin.
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Re: John Titor the timewarrior.
by Specop_007 » Sat 20 May 2006, 09:25:22
I've always been a little confused why someone with a time machine would use it to travel back and get parts for a computer from 1980. How ridiculous is that??
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Re: John Titor the timewarrior.
by Novus » Sat 20 May 2006, 14:56:00
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'I')'ve always been a little confused why someone with a time machine would use it to travel back and get parts for a computer from 1980. How ridiculous is that??
It not totally ridiculous. He could have the plans for a Nuclear bomb stored on a five and a half inch floppy. In the year 2006 there are not many computers around that could still read the disk. By the year 2030 there might not be any computers left that could read the disk. This is a real problem btw. There is a lot information already lost forever because it is stored on totally obsolete mediums such as 60s era reel to reel systems and memory drums.
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Re: John Titor the timewarrior.
by Whitefang » Sat 20 May 2006, 15:58:51
Dukat:
A def. of civil war reads:
A state of hostility or conflict between elements within an organization.
After the 911 soap, people in the US seem to be more hostile towards the government, see the next poll.
Maybe not all civil wars are as clear as the ones now in middle east.
Some, northamericans have been kidnapped, tortured in the name of security by CIA criminals.
Same propaganda firm that got the Bush gang on top got a job done on Mexican Fox to steer some trouble and then excuse for detention camps into the USA.
Create an issue, make it a huge problem and bring the solution of mass enslavement by martial law.
Specop:
Getting an IBM from the past....indeedy, JT must be a collector fanatic that does all to complete the set, including building a time machine.
I figure JT timetravelling unlikely, just what he predicts seem to become real with the stupidity of our so called self proclaimed leaders, like we have a choice.....one party elite still going on.
Them and media traitors, the worst like Scientific...excuse me, fucking American with that article on the twin towers imploding for jet fuel weakening all steel colums. A Boeing flown by an arab on faith of Allah and MS flight simulator.
Not a word on building 7 which went up to heaven.
Heck, even Charly Sheen has more sense then those scientists collaborating with massmurderers.
I am still a bit pissed at the obvious corruption of the current world government, ranting on a bit.
No excuse for them or anyone.
I just try pinpoint the year of collapse of our society, wife just pregnant again so I have hopes that we still have the needed 5 years left before the crash and be prepared to head for the hills.
A def. of civil war reads:
A state of hostility or conflict between elements within an organization.
After the 911 soap, people in the US seem to be more hostile towards the government, see the next poll.
Maybe not all civil wars are as clear as the ones now in middle east.
Some, northamericans have been kidnapped, tortured in the name of security by CIA criminals.
Same propaganda firm that got the Bush gang on top got a job done on Mexican Fox to steer some trouble and then excuse for detention camps into the USA.
Create an issue, make it a huge problem and bring the solution of mass enslavement by martial law.
Specop:
Getting an IBM from the past....indeedy, JT must be a collector fanatic that does all to complete the set, including building a time machine.
I figure JT timetravelling unlikely, just what he predicts seem to become real with the stupidity of our so called self proclaimed leaders, like we have a choice.....one party elite still going on.
Them and media traitors, the worst like Scientific...excuse me, fucking American with that article on the twin towers imploding for jet fuel weakening all steel colums. A Boeing flown by an arab on faith of Allah and MS flight simulator.
Not a word on building 7 which went up to heaven.
Heck, even Charly Sheen has more sense then those scientists collaborating with massmurderers.
I am still a bit pissed at the obvious corruption of the current world government, ranting on a bit.
No excuse for them or anyone.
I just try pinpoint the year of collapse of our society, wife just pregnant again so I have hopes that we still have the needed 5 years left before the crash and be prepared to head for the hills.
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by Omnitir » Sat 20 May 2006, 20:00:49
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dukat_Reloaded', '
')Chances john traveled back in time to warn the world of the comming crisis in the future via the internet
')Chances john traveled back in time to warn the world of the comming crisis in the future via the internet
Actually, JT didn’t claim to make any predictions, nor did he claim to have any interest in warning people. He (they?) claimed that he was merely experiencing online social interaction during his stay.
This is what made the whole JT thing so brilliant. While most hoaxers would attempt to push some agenda, he constantly stated that he had no agenda, no secret message from the future. He let people make of him what they would, which meant that his messages, his concepts and ideas, got across.
Of course it was all just a hoax. However, I’ve often heard people dismiss it out of hand as merely another internet charlatan. I don’t think this is wise – he may have had a crazy method, but the messages that he communicated were worth considering. And if nothing else, he was very entertaining.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dukat_Reloaded', '
')His predictions have not come true…
Actually, he used a simple but effective device to get around that. He claimed that time travel involves jumping to different realities, different “world-lines”. The world-line he was in was already different to the one from his experience; Y2K was a big disaster in his time line. And so this simple device allows room for error. Our future is guaranteed to be different from his world-line, and it already was. Therefore, thanks to this simple time-travel concept, it is impossible to prove he was a fake. His “predictions” (though he claims to never have made any predictions) are of a different reality then ours.
But like I said, it was all just an entertaining story with an important underlying message.
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