[azreal60]

We have Montequest imitators now? Where's the slave reminding him he's human...=-)

[grinchmob]

http://www.radioearth.com/WaterAsFuel.html

If it sounds too good to be true...

Can somebody help me understand the above link?

[animal]

Nope.

Uses electrolysis (electricity passed through water), to split the water. It isn't a fuel *source*, but more like a battery.

In most cases, you would probably be better off simply using electricity (For cars, for example).

[12volts]

I have not looked it to this for sometime but the gas can do amazing things! You can learn more : here

[jeezlouise]

It's not a hoax, just an impressive-but-pointless gimmick. You do better just to run your car or whatever on the juice from the electrical source. I forget who on this board said it first, but water is simply NOT an energy source - that's why we use it to put out fires.

It sounds great until you do the math, same as always.

P.S. You know there's something wrong when it's carried on a website that has the words "free energy" in its title.

[NeoPeasant]

Water is BURNED UP HYDROGEN. Water is to hydrogen as ash is to wood. All the usable chemical energy has been expended. Why don't people get this?

[12volts]

Please don't knock the site for the free energy title it has a wealth of information and these guys do open sorce projects to prove or debunk the claimes put forth!

Just check the links down on the left side of the main page

I'm not saying I belive in free energy but I do try to keep an open mind if not I might have discounted PO.

I found this site when looking for ways to upgrade my solar back up system and from there learned about peak oil again.. I always knew the oil life was too good to be true

I might be some kind of nut like most of me friends tell my when I bring up PO but I also subscibe to Home Power and Mother Earth News

[Sunspot]

That link looked interesting until I got to the claim "neutralizes radioactive waste". I doubt it.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('grinchmob', 'h')ttp://www.radioearth.com/WaterAsFuel.html

If it sounds too good to be true...

Can somebody help me understand the above link?

[gnm]

ARGH not more of this garbage... let me copy over my little back of the envelope calculations from another of the water fuel threads...

snip------------------------
Theres nothing amazing about hydrogen powered ICE engines. They even tend to be a little more efficent than regular gasoline. They run on stored hydrogen at 5-10k psi or stored in hydride form. So here are some example numbers...

2.1 liter engine - uses ~630 liter/min @80psi

Average priced hydrogen generator drawing 1200 watts can produce 600cc/min of hydrogen. Thats 864L/day.... That will run your small car for a minute and a hlf or so... Basically what I am saying is there is no way in hell this car can split its own fuel while running. The engine would have to produce in excess of 12000 watts in addition to the 40-80Hp needed to move the car.

In short they are L Y I N G...

-G

[Carlhole]

This is a hoax...

...And don't call me Shirley.

[eric_b]

Dumb and dumber.

Some mod please delete this thread.

[rsch20]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NeoPeasant', 'W')ater is BURNED UP HYDROGEN. Water is to hydrogen as ash is to wood. All the usable chemical energy has been expended. Why don't people get this?

[Serendipity]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rsch20', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NeoPeasant', 'W')ater is BURNED UP HYDROGEN. Water is to hydrogen as ash is to wood. All the usable chemical energy has been expended. Why don't people get this?

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rsch20', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NeoPeasant', 'W')ater is BURNED UP HYDROGEN. Water is to hydrogen as ash is to wood. All the usable chemical energy has been expended. Why don't people get this?

[EndOfSewers]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rsch20', 'b')ut if water has zero chemical energy, why do we drink it?

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rsch20', '
')but if water has zero chemical energy, why do we drink it? animals use water, oxygen, and food as primary fuel sources, and plants use water,nitrogen/pottassium etc from soil, sunlight, and carbon dioxide as primary fuel sources right?

I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just having trouble processing this concept when all biological machines use water and it is considered the 'keystone of life'.

[nocar]

rsch20

[quote]plants use water,nitrogen/pottassium etc from soil, sunlight, and carbon dioxide as primary fuel sources right?[quote]


In green plants, water is a building block. Green plants use the energy in sunlight (or strong electric lights) to combine water and carbon dioxide (from the air) to build carbohydrates, making oxygen as a waste product. Carbohydrates has chemically bound energy which animals (people) use as an energy source for their metabolism. In the reverse process, when animals 'burn' carbohydrate with the aid of oxygen they make water and carbondioxide again - you breathe it out with every breath in your life.

So, water and carbon dioxide are the large building blocks when a plant grows. But plants also need nitrogen, potassium, phosphorous and many other elements to do their growing job. Nitrogen is a must for proteins for example, and protein is also necessary for animals.

Even if you just grow houseplants, you must know that watering is necessary. When you add fertilizer (nitrogen, potassium, phosphorous) the quantities are tiny compared to the water. So there is a lot of complicated chemistry in plants in addition to the photosynthesis that utilizes water and carbon dioxide - but the energy comes from light. (Minor exceptions are plants that live as parasites or on dead plant material. Mushrooms live on dead plants using the energy left there - but they are not green plants).

Water is certainly necessary for both plants and animals - but no life form uses water as an energy source.

nocar

[NeoPeasant]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndOfSewers', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NeoPeasant', 'b')ut if water has zero chemical energy, why do we drink it?

[jdmartin]

Easy experiment - drink as much water as you want, every day, and take a complete mulitvitamin every day. This way you get all the vitamins and minerals needed by the body, and plenty of water, that elixir of life. My guess is that you survive 30-60 days before you starve to death.

Water has zero caloric content. What is caloric content? Without getting into the nuts and bolts of heat generation, etc, calories are an easy way to calculate energy units in a human. If you were to walk to work every day you might need 3000 calories to do it (just like you might need 10 gallons of gas depending on your car's mileage). Since water has zero calories you better take along some Ho-Hos and Snickers.