[The_Virginian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Starvid', 'P')eace.

How are the Israelis and the Palestinians ever going to reach peace? What realistic options are there in the current situation? I believe there are three options.

1. Integration. This what we have had for a long time. Suicide bombings and Israeli helicopter attacks. Continued occupation and terrorism. Status quo. It's bad, but it could be worse.

2. Cleansing. The second option. The conflict ends when either the Israelis or the Palestinians are all killed or driven from the area. This idea is supported by some Israeli extremist parties and many Palestinians, including the current Hamas government.

3. Separation. This what Kadima does right now. Build a wall to stop suicide bombings. Without suicide bombings no retalitory attacks will be required. Create permanent borders. Remove most of the West bank colonies. End the occupation of all areas and annex some of them. As far as I am concerned this is the best solution.

While negotiations with the Palestinians are impossible (because Israel broke the back of the PA and supported Hamas (Divide et impera)) Israel will have to do this unilaterally.

More reading:
http://www.defense-and-society.org/dni_ ... israel.htm
http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... le8403.htm

What is interesting in this third link is that van Crefeld was wrong. He thought Sharon (and Olmert) were preparing the expulsion and deportion of the Palestinians while Sharon all along was working according to van Crefelds own prefered plan. It gives an ironic twist to what Van Crefeld says in the interview below:

Interviewer: Does that mean that the Palestinians stay within the borders?

Creveld: No, it means that they all get deported. The people who strive for this are waiting only for the right man and the right time.

[...]

Ariel Sharon is leader. He never improvises: he always has a plan.
http://www.rense.com/general34/dutchisraelimilitary.htm

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Starvid', 'H')ow are the Israelis and the Palestinians ever going to reach peace? What realistic options are there in the current situation?

[erl]

"Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us." -Golda Meier

Not before.

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('erl', '"')Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us." -Golda Meier.

[erl]

Which Israeli would that be?

I haven't seen too many Israeli suicide bombers recently.

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('erl', 'W')hich Israeli would that be?

I haven't seen too many Israeli suicide bombers recently.

[erl]

Two billion?

Is that all?

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('erl', 'T')wo billion?

Is that all?

[0mar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('erl', '"')Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us." -Golda Meier

Not before.

[The_Virginian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('0mar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('erl', '"')Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us." -Golda Meier

Not before.

[kochevnik]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')m Mohammad, another teacher in Kufr Ein, said the crisis had forced her to resort to wood as a source of energy to feed her eight children, two of whom are university students.

"I never cooked on wood and I am allergic to smoke but I have to save money in every way possible, no matter how primitive it is. This is my responsibility," she said, stirring a pot of chickpeas on a stone-made stove to make hummus.

In recent weeks, Palestinians in both the West Bank and Gaza have resorted to selling gold coins and bracelets -- in the Arab world traditionally a person's last source of wealth, next to land -- to try to get together enough money to buy food.

Um Mohammed said she was also thinking of selling her jewelry, although so far her parents and brothers were helping her make do with daily living expenses.

"I only want to see the kids graduate. Nothing more. In the village, we can live on land," she said.

The two women said some male colleagues from nearby villages had stopped using public transport to get to school and had started using their donkeys instead.

[Laughs_Last]

I saw this on the CNN website: Israeli police storm UK embassy, capture Palestinian
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')fter capturing the man, Israeli police said he was wielding a plastic gun. Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld earlier had said the man was armed with a pistol.

Embassy spokeswoman Karen Kaufman confirmed the man was arrested. "As far as the embassy is concerned, the event is over," she said.

The man burst into the embassy earlier Thursday demanding political asylum, saying in a dramatic interview on live television that he would rather die than return to the West Bank.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Laughs_Last', 'T')houghts?

[mekrob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Laughs_Last', 'T')houghts?

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', 'I')t turns out he was an Israeli informant and was being forced into exile by militants.

[PenultimateManStanding]

One of these days, rog, Islamic fanatics are going to blow themselves up in New Zealand. They'll kill a bunch of Kiwis and you will ask yourself, "why?" It sure isn't because of America. It's just what they do.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'T')hey'll kill a bunch of Kiwis and you will ask yourself, "why?"

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'T')hey'll kill a bunch of Kiwis and you will ask yourself, "why?"

[eastbay]

pms,

.... if some country invaded and occupied my country I would hope for and celebrate any attacks on that country and on any country that assisted them in their attacks.

Roger certainly isn't demonstrating arrogance, he's simply reflecting on patriotism.

Stop The Stupid Oil Wars
Stop All Military Occupations

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'T')he Bali bombing is the most recent example, it was primarily targetting Australians due to their membership of the Coalition of the [s]Willing[/s] Arrogant.