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THE Hummer/SUV Thread (merged)

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Re: H1 Hummer to END PRODUCTION

Postby mrobert » Sat 13 May 2006, 14:04:06

I drive an Opel Tigra.
1.4L, 16V ... pretty much tuned and modified.

120 mph top speed is enough for me :) ... the average is about 40mpg.
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Re: H1 Hummer to END PRODUCTION

Postby AmericanEmpire » Sat 13 May 2006, 14:27:59

Don't worry all the hummer production will be ended soon enough.

Along with all other wasteful forms of transportation. All sitting on the side of the roads like a bunch of abandoned junk.
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Re: H1 Hummer to END PRODUCTION

Postby KingM » Sat 13 May 2006, 16:39:01

Here's my take on the fall of the H1.

Hummer: RIP
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As gas prices rise SUV sales soar

Postby Troyboy1208 » Mon 15 May 2006, 10:31:15

Good article in newsweek. Some interesting info about what politicians are buying.
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Re: As gas prices rise SUV sales soar

Postby mjdlight » Mon 15 May 2006, 10:52:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Troyboy1208', 'G')ood article in newsweek. Some interesting info about what politicians are buying.
Newsweek

Interesting to read this in conjunction with the reports that sales of the Ford Explorer have plunged something like 42 percent and the reports of people pawning personal belongings to pay the gas bill.
What I take from this is that people who can afford the luxury SUVs like the hellaciously ugly Escalade and Hummers, are, of course, not affected by $3 gas. In fact, they might want to buy them even more in a period of high gas prices, to reinforce their social superiority and dominance, as opposed to the Common Joe, who is pawning his wedding ring to put 50 bucks worth of gas in the tank of his commoner-class SUV.
Final conclusion: People are stupid and vain and utterly without vision or imagination or empathy and I hate them sometimes so much.
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Re: As gas prices rise SUV sales soar

Postby lutherquick » Mon 15 May 2006, 10:56:23

does anyone think that today's Americans are the same as those from the WW2 days?

Americans today are fat, ugly pigs.
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Re: As gas prices rise SUV sales soar

Postby FoxV » Mon 15 May 2006, 11:05:12

The other thing not mentioned in the article that's different between now and the last crisis, is that in the Late 70's/early 80's it was still hard to get credit.
Now if people feel a bit of a price pitch, they just sign up for a new XYZ card, get a new/expanded line of credit, or the new "classic", refi the house (I get pre-approved letters for these about once per week).
However with:
house prices starting to decline
regulators cracking down on "no doc" loans
increased credit card minimums
rising interest rates for all those ARM holders,

SUV sales will soon hit a wall (as will pretty much all car sales)
The other thing is the time scale is off. We're only 6 months into high gas prices. Give us another 18 months of this and the average 30 something'er will be flopping on the side of road like a dying fish.
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Re: As gas prices rise SUV sales soar

Postby FoxV » Mon 15 May 2006, 11:10:40

btw, the trend I've noticed in my town is a growing number of sub-compact hatchbacks, like the mazda 3, Aveo, Matrix, Focus etc...
So at least some people are getting it
(although I still see a lot of new big ass SUVs and trucks out there)
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Re: As gas prices rise SUV sales soar

Postby dub_scratch » Mon 15 May 2006, 11:47:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mjdlight', 'F')inal conclusion: People are stupid and vain and utterly without vision or imagination or empathy and I hate them sometimes so much.

It's not just SUVs, but the whole auto based National Traffic Jam is a product of vanity and shortsightedness. The fact that many within this system take it a step further and buy gasoline hog SUVs is just incidental. For our society to be car dependent means fuel prices have to be low so low income folks and the middle class can afford to participate in the system. It's what some call the democratization of the automobile, and it depends on cheap fuel. Once that fuel is cheap enough for everybody including the poor to clog the freeways, the middle to upper-middle class can easily double or triple their fuel cost, even for something as shallow as vanity.

The same bias for mass motoring is also the same bias for low MPG mass motoring-- the SUV explosion. The irony is that the car culture is undermining itself with a low MPG fleet. When the oil decline sets in, we as a nation are not only going to have to begin to give up our SUVs, we are going to have to give up our motoring way-o-life, and we will have to do it sooner than we would have if we were to have a super high MPG fleet.
I try not to get worked up about all the SUVs out there. They are setting us up for the ultimate demise of the automobile scourge.
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Re: As gas prices rise SUV sales soar

Postby Zardoz » Mon 15 May 2006, 12:21:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lutherquick', 'D')oes anyone think that today's Americans are the same as those from the WW2 days?
Americans today are fat, ugly pigs.

True enough, for now, at least. Of course, we're like this because we can get away with it at the moment. It remains to be seen as to what we'll become when the chips are down.
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Re: As gas prices rise SUV sales soar

Postby Colorado-Valley » Mon 15 May 2006, 13:06:01

Yeah, but you're much safer in a large vehicle like an SUV.

Sorry ... :-D
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Re: As gas prices rise SUV sales soar

Postby Troyboy1208 » Mon 15 May 2006, 14:43:39

Wow what a response from my first posted topic thread :) Ive been on the site for quite some time lingering around but I am very impressed at the knowledge of people on the site. For example I read all of the thread on "Michael Lynch - Disputing Peak Oil". Needless to say I got a good idea of the situation and the polarity of the people involved in the debate. I myself bought a civic hybrid in 2002 and I have been taughting peak oil for years but it wasnt until recently till i fell upon this website. Excellent job,
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Is it socially acceptable to flip off Hummer drivers yet?

Postby MattSavinar » Tue 23 May 2006, 23:45:20

Let's say I'm crossing the street and (after I'm out of his way) I just flip off some guy driving a Hummer and say "thanks for supporting Al-Qaeda, asshole!!!" or something along those lines.
Are we at the point in the collapse where other people will:
A) not only understand this but
B) more or less approve of such action?
I was waiting at the bus and a Hummer drove by. Thought about just silently flipping the guy the bird just for kicks and was wandering if the other people in the street would understand or if they would wonder who the weirdo with the anger management problem is.
What do you guys think?
Note that I don't blame Hummer drivers for our predicament. I understand it's much more complicated than that. Nonetheless, I sort of like the idea of shaming them as they drive around.
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Re: Is it socially acceptable to flip off Hummer drivers yet

Postby Free » Tue 23 May 2006, 23:56:37

Well you better don't do that in front of a Hummer with a driver who has an anger management problem...
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Re: Is it socially acceptable to flip off Hummer drivers yet

Postby Zardoz » Wed 24 May 2006, 00:10:16

I like this shot:

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Re: Is it socially acceptable to flip off Hummer drivers yet

Postby SinisterBlueCat » Wed 24 May 2006, 00:20:47

well- because i am sure that you are completely green and have in no way participated in the consumption of fossil fuels and of course have not profitted from the peakoil situation, why i would say it is a perfectly acceptable thing to do.

that is what this "guy"thinks anyway.
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Re: Is it socially acceptable to flip off Hummer drivers yet

Postby mekrob » Wed 24 May 2006, 00:27:20

Flip them off? Hell, I'm shooting at them. Why else would they need an Humvee anyway? :) Gotta get your money's worth is how I see it.
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Re: Is it socially acceptable to flip off Hummer drivers yet

Postby TommyJefferson » Wed 24 May 2006, 00:53:39

Obscene gestures. Yes, very productive and mature.
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Re: Is it socially acceptable to flip off Hummer drivers yet

Postby eastbay » Wed 24 May 2006, 00:54:46

Remember that people owning Hummers and other SUV/large truck type personal transportation vehicles generally suffer from gluttony and one should interact with them as one would with anyone with a serious personality disorder.

People suffering from gluttony typically have a sociopathic disregard for others and are potentially dangerous and should not be provoked. Any positive corrective action taken by anyone against their personal transportation vehicles is a rational and proper activity, as most would agree, and certainly to be applauded.

However for your personal safety it should be conducted when nobody is looking. Happy hunting.
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