[SoothSayer]

I suspect that a "soft crash" will lead to ever increasing authoritarian government controlling all aspects of our lives.

In fact in the UK they are well on the way!

I don't think I want to spend the next 10 or 20 years being pushed around and bullied by petty bureaucrats & local politicians ... especially as they will have free car fuel and warm offices, and I might be forced to work in the fields.

Am I mad to think that a "hard crash" might be preferable?

At least we will get a chance to string up [or at least ignore] tax inspectors and their grasping ilk.

I quite fancy living in a strongly defended village surrounded by family & friends. If I do end up digging up veggies then at least they will be for MY community.

Is this a silly escapist viewpoint?

[musselj]

I am with you on the hard crash thing. if it is a soft crash here in the states I am sure the constitution will be the first thing to go and then all the poor people right behind it (me and my family included!) with a hard crash they wont have the muscle to enforce their will on everybody!

[Grifter]

I agree that in the long term a fast crash would be better for the freedom of mankind.

It wont be nice to live through though. Glad i'm fitter and heavier than I was a year ago.

[PolestaR]

You might want to go dig up a post I made a while ago on the same topic. Everyone (or at least most people on this forum) should prefer a hard crash if they value freedom resembling anything we have today.

This is why I condone the disinformation of the populace and the increasing use of oil, the more oil we use now the less they will have later to control us.

[MattSavinar]

Somehow I suspect you will change your tone when you have dysnetary as the sewer and water treatment systems in many municipalities will likely fail to some degree in a "fast crash."

Best,

Matt

[12amps]

does that mean we should tell everyone to buy Hummers??

[Grifter]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'S')omehow I suspect you will change your tone when you have dysnetary as the sewer and water treatment systems in many municipalities will likely fail to some degree in a "fast crash."

Best,

Matt

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'S')omehow I suspect you will change your tone when you have dysnetary as the sewer and water treatment systems in many municipalities will likely fail to some degree in a "fast crash."

Best,

Matt

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('12amps', 'd')oes that mean we should tell everyone to buy Hummers??

[musselj]

as far as water is concerned
A. boil it!
B. well water!

[SoothSayer]

>> Somehow I suspect you will change your tone when you have dysnetary as the sewer and water treatment systems in many municipalities will likely fail to some degree in a "fast crash."

Deep down I know you are right Matt ... <sigh>

[MattSavinar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'S')omehow I suspect you will change your tone when you have dysnetary as the sewer and water treatment systems in many municipalities will likely fail to some degree in a "fast crash."

Best,

Matt

[MattSavinar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'S')omehow I suspect you will change your tone when you have dysnetary as the sewer and water treatment systems in many municipalities will likely fail to some degree in a "fast crash."

Best,

Matt

[truecougarblue]

As for this boy scout, I'd prefer to depend on my own abilities to make a living than to watch my freedoms erode as those of so many did in Germany in the 30s.

So yes, in many ways I think I'd rather see it crash hard.

On dysintery, etc...

Infrastructure smrifrastructure, people who know the basics will do OK, and hopefully help others along as well. It would be nice if everyone could ride off into the sunset, but that doesn't seem to be the course we've set.

[BastardSquad]

While I'm not convinced there will be a hard crash,at least not for many years,I can can see 2 benefits to a hard crash as opposed to a slow decline.

1) -Certainty! No one really knows just how a slow decline will play out so it's damn near impossible to know how and what to prepare for.In a hard crash scenario you know exactly what you're getting.

2) -Leveling Effect! Everyone more or less starts out on a level playing field.Unlike a slow decline where someone else(the elites) gets to decide who lives and who dies,it's survival of the fittest and everyone has a fair chance at making it.

In a slow decline I can easily see nations around the world slipping into dictatorships.No doubt many people will demand a dictator if they think it will save them

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'A')gain, get another clue.

27 years old, full head of blonde hair, in better shape than probably 98% of the population.

Best,

Matt

[arocoun]

Hard or soft crash, I want a crash that will allow the earth to rebuild natural habitats and balances, bring the human population to sustainable levels, and mitigate dangerous climate changes. Something tells me that a hard crash would allow for all of those things, and will stop government from getting too much more tyranical.

As for water, most of the world has to boil or dig for their water these days due to the various maladies of civilization. Looks like we in the first world will have to get used to it, too.

[Eddie_lomax]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', 'Y')ou might want to go dig up a post I made a while ago on the same topic. Everyone (or at least most people on this forum) should prefer a hard crash if they value freedom resembling anything we have today.

This is why I condone the disinformation of the populace and the increasing use of oil, the more oil we use now the less they will have later to control us.

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('arocoun', 'H')ard or soft crash, I want a crash that will allow the earth to rebuild natural habitats and balances.

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eddie_lomax', 'A') thought on this, I wonder if by conserving now the crash will just be harder ? Say I chose to drive around in a Hummer to and from my job, once the oil crash does come the commute will come to an end and my huge use of oil will end too.

Protecting your pocket and driving something cheap should be the best plan here (actually I drive a bit a guzzler! A 26mpg Jag, although it runs on 1/2 price LPG so its obscenly cheaper than a more modern car to own), it also means that when the real crash arrives you won't be contributing to the conservation effort. Its kind of relying on that Jensons paradox - make oil cheaper by not using it and someone else will get addicted to it instead - evil , but who said life was fair ?

Right now helping number one seems the best approach to me, any efforts to conserve won't slow the rate that oils extracted from the ground thanks to the Chinese and Indians. So we might as well just do what helps us the most and make sure we aren't the ones addicted to oil that land in a world of hurt when Mr Reality steps in and announces peak oil to the world in a langauge they finally cannot ignore

One last bit - I'd prefer a fairly hard crash - one that cannot be forgotten, although if things get too desperate I don't think much progression will go on, but I never said I wanted to be one of those living through it.