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Unread postby Specop_007 » Tue 19 Jul 2005, 06:11:10

Ah, the "Religion of Peace" (Islam) spreading more peace and love in the world. Simple fact is we're facing WWIII with these people and no one, except a handful of people, can see it. :(
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Beheadings Raise Tensions in Thailand By RUNGRAWEE C. PINYORAT
ASSOCIATED PRESS-TALOH KAPO, Thailand (AP) -
Customers no longer come to Kaboh Sulong's teashop - not since two gunmen walked in at noon, coldly shot a Buddhist cloth vendor, cut off his head and left it in a sack outside. Ten days later Sulong was still terrified as he pointed to a wooden table where Lek Pongpla was relaxing when the attackers killed him. And all around him, Buddhists were packing and fleeing the worsening violence in Thailand's Muslim-majority south.

Beheadings and bombings are pushing tensions to a boiling point since a long-simmering Muslim separatist movement launched an armed struggle early last year that has left more than 860 people dead. On Friday the government issued a decree giving Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra sweeping emergency powers - to tap phones, order curfews and censor the press, among other measures. That was after six bombs and exchanges of gunfire in the capital of Yala province killed two policemen and injured 22 people in the first coordinated attacks in a large city since the troubles began.

On Thursday, at least 60 insurgents plunged Yala city into darkness by destroying electrical transformers, then roamed the streets with fire-bombs, explosives and guns, targeting an area near a hotel, two convenience stores, a restaurant and the railway station, Interior Minister Chitchai Wannasathit said. "Whenever or wherever a society or community is not safe, freedoms and personal rights ... must face some limitations in order to have all people living together in peace," Thaksin said Saturday in response to critics of the emergency powers.

The attack and the government response were just the latest indications of the worsening tensions. Fear has engulfed the southern provinces, with Buddhist monks slashed to death and temples bombed. Vendors have received flyers threatening them for selling pork in Muslim areas. "I am very scared and don't want to go anywhere, especially at night. Women are now being attacked," said Piyathida Thongchuay, 34, a Buddhist living in the district where Lek was killed. A few days earlier a school headmistress and two other Buddhist women had been murdered - the latter two beheaded.

Piyathida said her mother and 3-year-old son were leaving, and she would follow when her policeman husband's transfer comes through. Buddhists are the overwhelming majority in Thailand but in the southernmost provinces they are outnumbered nearly 3-1 by 1.3 million Muslims. The region, once a separate Islamic kingdom, became part of Thailand in the early 20th century. But a deep desire for independence persists, as do Muslim feelings of discrimination.

Several Islamic leaders have condemned the violence. "Such acts are very cruel and beyond the imagination of any human being," said one, Nidir Waba. The region's deputy police chief, Maj. Gen. Thani Thawitsri, believes those perpetrating beheadings are inspired by insurgencies abroad. They "have many menus to choose from, such as, Afghanistan, Iran and Iraq," he said

The government has tried improving life in the south with development and job-creation projects, but it has also taken a tough approach to the militants. Last year 106 Muslims were killed in a single day when militants mounted an attack on security posts. Six months later 78 Muslims who had been rounded up following a protest rally suffocated to death when they were crammed into a police truck. The Thaksin government's approach has been criticized as heavy-handed, but Thaksin seems in no mood to negotiate, saying Friday: "These people only want violence; it means they do not want to talk."

Since October, authorities have trained and armed about 10,000 Buddhists, raising fears that an "eye-for-an-eye" mentality will take root. "I feel vengeful because they killed my husband. I want to protect myself, because there is no one who can protect me now," said 51-year-old Sa-ngeam Boontho. Unknown assailants killed her husband, a policeman, in September.

Sa-ngeam and about 40 other villagers - some who had never touched a weapon and were afraid to do so - were being taught how to aim rifles. "We have no intention of harming anyone," Gen. Napol Boonthap told the trainees on the grounds of a Buddhist temple in Pattani province. "But we will not let anyone behead us."
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Unread postby Jack » Tue 19 Jul 2005, 08:44:41

Interesting article; it certainly casts doubt on the premise that people wish to live together in harmony, doesn't it?
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Tue 19 Jul 2005, 09:01:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'I')nteresting article; it certainly casts doubt on the premise that people wish to live together in harmony, doesn't it?


Naw, I already knew that. I kinda came to that conclusion with the Islamic bombing of the USS Cole, the Islamic attacks of 9/11, the Islamic bombing of subways and busses in London, the Islamic slaughtering of schoolchildren in Chechnya, the Islamic bombings in Spain, the Islamic......

Are we seeing a pattern here? Its happening all over the world. Its an oganized, planned enemy thats not only spread across the globe but is now using its reach to committ attacks all over.
That is the very definition of a World War.
Say what you want about how they just want peace, but blowing up buildings, airlines and myrdering innocent people all across the globe doesnt strike me as a local bushfire war, nor as a group of people who have any intention whatsoeevr of even trying to integrate themselves into existing communities for the betterment of all.
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Unread postby Doly » Tue 19 Jul 2005, 09:16:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '
')Say what you want about how they just want peace, but blowing up buildings, airlines and myrdering innocent people all across the globe doesnt strike me as a local bushfire war, nor as a group of people who have any intention whatsoeevr of even trying to integrate themselves into existing communities for the betterment of all.


Say 99% want peace and 1% doesn't. 1% is more than enough to cause all the trouble. What do you suggest we do?
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Tue 19 Jul 2005, 10:13:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '
')Say what you want about how they just want peace, but blowing up buildings, airlines and myrdering innocent people all across the globe doesnt strike me as a local bushfire war, nor as a group of people who have any intention whatsoeevr of even trying to integrate themselves into existing communities for the betterment of all.


Say 99% want peace and 1% doesn't. 1% is more than enough to cause all the trouble. What do you suggest we do?


I think a good place to start would be ousting oppressive dictators and establishing a government "For the people by the people"
Well, thats my politically correct answer. :-D

But it seems the majority dont even want that, and would rather suffer more bombings of busses, flying of planes into buildings and schoolchildren being shot.
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Unread postby WhistleWind » Tue 19 Jul 2005, 11:38:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '
')I think a good place to start would be ousting oppressive dictators and establishing a government "For the people by the people"
Well, thats my politically correct answer. :-D

But it seems the majority dont even want that, and would rather suffer more bombings of busses, flying of planes into buildings and schoolchildren being shot.


Speaking for the UK, I think government for the people would be a
very good idea. Let me know if it ever happens.

A large majority of the UK population were against the invasion of
Iraq, which was clearly an attempt to steal oil and not to replace
an evil dictator (after all, Saddam was originally a US placeman,
as were Osama and the Taliban in Afghanistan).

The largest demonstration in UK history (about 3% of the population)
against the war had no effect. We knew these bombs were
coming to London, and we know why we were bombed - because
our government is NOT democratic.
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Tue 19 Jul 2005, 12:18:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WhistleWind', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '
')I think a good place to start would be ousting oppressive dictators and establishing a government "For the people by the people"
Well, thats my politically correct answer. :-D

But it seems the majority dont even want that, and would rather suffer more bombings of busses, flying of planes into buildings and schoolchildren being shot.


Speaking for the UK, I think government for the people would be a
very good idea. Let me know if it ever happens.


You guys have my sympathy, I think your government is worse then ours (My opinion)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') large majority of the UK population were against the invasion of
Iraq, which was clearly an attempt to steal oil and not to replace
an evil dictator (after all, Saddam was originally a US placeman,
as were Osama and the Taliban in Afghanistan).


A US placeman? Yes some what, 30 years after the fact? As I recall, England and Hitler were buddy buddy too before the war. Shoudl we assume the British supported Nazi Germany then too?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he largest demonstration in UK history (about 3% of the population)
against the war had no effect. We knew these bombs were
coming to London, and we know why we were bombed - because
our government is NOT democratic.


You think the sole reason for the bombing was because of your involvement in the war?? What about all the unrest in your Muslim populations? What about Spain? They arent really involved in the war and they get bombed. What about Canada? You realize theres some 26 countries involved in this war right?
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Oil crisis: Mass layoffs feared in Thailand

Unread postby Bleep » Fri 28 Apr 2006, 18:41:49

Oil crisis: Mass layoffs feared in Thailand
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')rewmembers of fishing trawlers and pertrol-station attendants will likely take the brunt of a wave of layoffs coming soon, as high oil prices slam fuel-sensitive sectors, a seminar was told yesterday.
Up to Bt100 million has been reserved for severance pay, said Sathaphom Jarupha, a senior official at the Labour Protection and Welfare Department.

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Re: Oil crisis: Mass layoffs feared in Thailand

Unread postby Novus » Fri 28 Apr 2006, 18:49:33

When GM goes under it will make this stuff look like small potatos. Wal-Mart will also be in serious trouble if oil goes above $4.
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Re: Oil crisis: Mass layoffs feared in Thailand

Unread postby waegari » Sat 29 Apr 2006, 18:09:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'W')hen GM goes under it will make this stuff look like small potatos. Wal-Mart will also be in serious trouble if oil goes above $4.


Anything from overseas looks like small potatoes from a US based point of view. That may well be one of the main reasons why our world is such a mess.
The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function.

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Re: Oil crisis: Mass layoffs feared in Thailand

Unread postby Novus » Sat 29 Apr 2006, 19:31:02

I could have sworn someone said Fortune 500 multinational companies when dumping their workforces. These scary times for anyone who has a job and downright desparate for those who have already lost theirs.
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Re: Oil crisis: Mass layoffs feared in Thailand

Unread postby midnight-gamer » Fri 12 May 2006, 18:27:07

The topic hits close to home for me. I have realitives in Thailand that I care very much for. Thailand has been a realitive success story in that region. I fear the disruption in oil supply my soon turn the country into a economic dump. Add other problems regarding soil and forest conservation, and things look pretty grim long term.
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Re: Oil crisis: Mass layoffs feared in Thailand

Unread postby abundantsun » Fri 12 May 2006, 18:32:57

I also have close relationships in TL and spend a lot of time there. There has been tremendous growth and speculation in the last few years. The dropping dollar is a concern for them as it relates to compettitiveness.

My big concern for TL in a desperate PO situation is that they have a lot of fertile farm land and they are near China - when things go bad...
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Re: Oil crisis: Mass layoffs feared in Thailand

Unread postby ohanian » Fri 12 May 2006, 18:35:24

"As I've said many times, the future is already here. It's just not very evenly distributed."
- William Gibson 30th Nov 1999

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Re: Oil crisis: Mass layoffs feared in Thailand

Unread postby Geko45 » Fri 12 May 2006, 19:45:26

Some related inside information on Thailand. My Dad has been been doing control systems engineering work for PTTEP and he is currently designing the control systems for a series of off-shore natural gas platforms that were initially supposed to come on-line in 2007. He told me that the project is riddled with corruption and is now hopelessly behind schedule. He says that the government officials responsible for the job are desperately trying to shift blame from themselves and that the involved western contracting companies (KBR, McDermott) have nearly quit the job several times due to failure to pay invoices on time.
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Re: Oil crisis: Mass layoffs feared in Thailand

Unread postby Zardoz » Fri 12 May 2006, 20:25:27

Dammit, people, would you just stop all this whining and hand-wringing over this? How many times do we have to be told that Peak Oil is a NON-EVENT?

All those people in Thailand have to do is take JohnDenver's advice and turn off their televisions!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', 'H')ey... If you stubborn folks don't believe me, do the experiment yourself:

1) Turn off your TV
2) Don't read the newspaper/magazines
3) Turn off your internet
4) Whittle on your front porch instead of sticking the media mainline into the back of your skull everyday like that nasty plug in the matrix.

Now, once you're in this de-media-fied state, tell me how much of an event the Iraq war is. Odds are, you won't perceive it at all. This is because it never had any real effects on you in the first place, except as media hype.

The same goes for peak oil. The only reason it appears to be real is because everyday you are jacking into a hallucinatory media hype machine about peak oil. If you just turn off your media feeds, you'll find that the real-world repercussions of peak oil in your neighborhood are so boring and slow that they aren't even worth paying attention to.


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Re: Oil crisis: Mass layoffs feared in Thailand

Unread postby midnight-gamer » Fri 12 May 2006, 20:38:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ome related inside information on Thailand. My Dad has been been doing control systems engineering work for PTTEP and he is currently designing the control systems for a series of off-shore natural gas platforms that were initially supposed to come on-line in 2007. He told me that the project is riddled with corruption and is now hopelessly behind schedule. He says that the government officials responsible for the job are desperately trying to shift blame from themselves and that the involved western contracting companies (KBR, McDermott) have nearly quit the job several times due to failure to pay invoices on time.


Tell your dad to be careful when visiting Thailand. Anyone traveling there should be care to learn the customs and observe them! From personal experience I can tell you Thai police are corrupt as a general rule. The accepted and even expected practice when dealing with police or officials is to bribe them. And woe to those who end up on the wrong side of Thai law.
I wonder if issues such as these will crop up in the usa as the economy continues to tank?
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Re: Oil crisis: Mass layoffs feared in Thailand

Unread postby WillMissTennis » Fri 12 May 2006, 22:32:29

Zardoz, the only reason people are on this sight is because peak oil has to do with them. Peak oil isnt just some media hype, infact they are covering it up as if life will go on as normal for generations to come. Peak oil = problems for everyone[i]
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Re: Oil crisis: Mass layoffs feared in Thailand

Unread postby lotrfan55345 » Fri 12 May 2006, 22:35:04

Going to the (modern) parts of Bangkok is just like the downtown of any other major city. It's not some 3rd world mass of starving people.
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Re: Oil crisis: Mass layoffs feared in Thailand

Unread postby Dukat_Reloaded » Fri 12 May 2006, 22:39:43

Do you think the cost of oil will crash when these asian countries collapase? because from what I understand, even if oil goes down to $20, it will take years for these countries to get back on their feet and begin consuming fuel again.
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