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Re: Insane

Unread postby clueless » Tue 18 Apr 2006, 17:14:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jdumars', 'P')lease don't feed the trolls.


Yea but it’s good for a laugh with the unlimited supply of oil up a buck today because no one thought about the oceans.


Clueless, the term troll comes from a fishing method where a bored and dejected fisherman drags a dead and smelly red herring through the water hoping something will take the bait and liven up his otherwise blissfully ignorant existence.

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Pops you have quite a way with words. [smilie=5shocking.gif]
I have noticed my propensity to be sarcastic and my tolerance of the same has greatly increased since becoming aware of PO, are there any others out there experiencing the same symptoms ?
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Re: Insane

Unread postby Pops » Tue 18 Apr 2006, 18:07:26

Thank you - I think :)

I have always been caustic when prodded. I do find that my application of lye has become somewhat better aimed - at least in my own opinion.

To switch metaphors somewhat:
The thing that surprises me is when the ostrich starts kicking the thing that’s biting his butt instead of spitting out the sand and starting to run or at least admit it’s starting to hurt.

Or conversely when said ostrich insists the sky is blue when it hasn’t bothered to take a peak at the sky in 60 years.

Or maybe I’m just a bored fish yanking on some fishermans line.

:)
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Re: Insane

Unread postby Karl » Tue 18 Apr 2006, 18:29:00

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')orry, but those are not the words of Paul. He was 'quoting' a prevalent attitude at the time (maybe Epicureans). In other words, forget about any kind of afterlife - just do it (Nike)!


It was Paul's first letter to the Corinthians C15 v 32 and his was quoting from Isaiah C23 v 13.

That aside the point about needing a greater faith than that of being religious came from an article in the UK Sunday Times magazine a few months ago discussing the potential coming 'Dark Age'.

My point is if you are so convinced in yourself and cannot see the issues and problems that are becoming evident - you best make the most of it while you can.
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Re: Insane

Unread postby Ingenuity_Gap » Tue 18 Apr 2006, 18:34:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('common_sense', 'O')il is not going to run out.

Simple fact is that we've done mostly land drilling, with some offshore drilling.

Even in this insane scenario we completely run out in twenty years, there is still the fact we can drill in the oceans.

Oh, right, you forgot about the oceans.

Further, you fail to take into account that in the next ten years we'll have viable alternative fuel sources.

Jesus Christ. I'm tired of this paranoid, end of the world crap. You folks are almost as bad as the nuclear war people.
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Re: Insane

Unread postby Ingenuity_Gap » Tue 18 Apr 2006, 18:37:17

common_sense,

Your common sense is insane. Grow up.
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Re: Insane

Unread postby Pops » Tue 18 Apr 2006, 18:38:41

It wouldn't surprise me though if a certain amount if the dust thrown around here didn't have more of an intent than just to wile away some personal down time.
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Re: Insane

Unread postby Dukat_Reloaded » Tue 18 Apr 2006, 18:50:27

Common_Sense, don't worry we arn't at peak yet. The high oil price currently is due to extream global growth recently which oil production is currently unable to fully meet demand. Oil at $70 the economies of the world can't last long without easing off of demand, when that happens oil prices will come back down and most likely also oil production will have increased with oil going back down under $50 and most likely many commodities as well. Ben Bernakie today played the markets an idea that interest rates are going on hold an that sent alot of commodity price up to record level and also the stockmarket up 2% in one day. I am suprised this is happening with oil at record levels so I put alot of the oil price down to inflation as well.
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Re: Insane

Unread postby clueless » Tue 18 Apr 2006, 18:56:55

On a serious note,

I cannot understand why anyone who doesn't buy into the "more" way of thinking is labelled a "doom and gloomer". Each way of thinking is just another way of thinking, right ?

I actually prefer the "less is more" way of life anyway.

Has the enitre world lost it's marbles ?
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Re: Insane

Unread postby pigleg » Tue 18 Apr 2006, 18:57:28

Still, what common_sense did here was hilarious - talk about jamming a stick into the hive!

I'm tempted to go find some themed board and post something totally obnoxious to the community... maybe I can find a nice pro-life board
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Re: Insane

Unread postby ohanian » Tue 18 Apr 2006, 20:41:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', 'D')o you know what is really insane? Oil crosses over 70 and the DOW is up around 200. The human race never ceases to amaze me. I hope that I manage to hold on for a few more years... The show should be (what is the word I'm looking for - astounding and yet extremely sad at the same time)... Hmm?


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Re: Insane

Unread postby clueless » Tue 18 Apr 2006, 21:09:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ohanian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', 'D')o you know what is really insane? Oil crosses over 70 and the DOW is up around 200. The human race never ceases to amaze me. I hope that I manage to hold on for a few more years... The show should be (what is the word I'm looking for - astounding and yet extremely sad at the same time)... Hmm?


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Is that forty thousand or four thousand ? All forty thousans means is less dollar worth...With Helicopter Ben it forty thou wouldn't surprise me !
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Re: Insane

Unread postby rogerhb » Tue 18 Apr 2006, 21:23:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', 'W')hy are there so many references to Jesus Christ ?


He was confused with the "water into wine" miracle, wouldn't you need to distill the wine to run a car on it?
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Re: Insane

Unread postby jeezlouise » Tue 18 Apr 2006, 21:47:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('common_sense', 'O')il is not going to run out.

Simple fact is that we've done mostly land drilling, with some offshore drilling.

Even in this insane scenario we completely run out in twenty years, there is still the fact we can drill in the oceans.

Oh, right, you forgot about the oceans.

Further, you fail to take into account that in the next ten years we'll have viable alternative fuel sources.

Jesus Christ. I'm tired of this paranoid, end of the world crap. You folks are almost as bad as the nuclear war people.


You actually registered to say THAT? My god... mass self-delusion is so hard to watch sometimes...

This is more than just a fuel problem. It is much bigger than that, it's a societal problem, an entrenchement of bad ideas. Not to mention that most of the food you see on your store shelf was grown on huge petrochemically-dependent corporate farm that derives both pesticides and fertilizers from oil. We cannot support our population, in these numbers, any other way than this at this point. Alternative fuels can't change that fact.

Modern society runs on cheap, available oil, much as your body runs on water. If you were forced to drink syrup instead of water for the rest of your life, it would be a very short life indeed. That is (simplistically) what is happening. You may be able to get lots of oil out of the middle of the ocean, but it ain't gonna be cheap, or of high quality. Society has refused to accept the reality of its predicament so geology will force us to do so.

What, praytell, is paranoid about that?
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Re: Insane

Unread postby SoothSayer » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 05:16:01

Is there a "Troll Of The Year" award? If so, common_sense has won it!
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Re: Insane

Unread postby crapattack » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 05:29:28

Common_sense: NOT.

What you lack in argument you make up for in blind arrogance, but you are a great example to those of us on this forum who needed a reminder of how ridiculously moronic and uninformed most people are about this topic. For this reason I thank you for wandering in and taking a crap in the pool.
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Re: Insane

Unread postby Doly » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 05:36:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('common_sense', '
')Oh, right, you forgot about the oceans.


Actually, no. Campbell takes not just the oceans into account, but a few more exotic sources of oil that you probably hadn't even known existed.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('common_sense', '
')Further, you fail to take into account that in the next ten years we'll have viable alternative fuel sources.


Name them.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('common_sense', '
')You folks are almost as bad as the nuclear war people.


Nuclear war is technically possible, and has been proved to work (a couple of Japanese cities were the test). That it isn't implemented is a matter of politics. I think it's valid to worry about the possibility of nuclear war.

The difference with peak oil is that no amount of politics can change the amount of oil in the ground.
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Re: Insane

Unread postby rogerhb » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 05:45:41

I think common_sense deserves a round of applause. He has demonstrated the sense that is, unfortunately, common.
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Re: Insane

Unread postby skeptik » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 07:35:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pigleg', 'S')till, what common_sense did here was hilarious - talk about jamming a stick into the hive!


Doh! you killjoy! I'd really like it if common_sense was for real and not a troll..

He/she does however serve as a reminder that the ignorance and stupidity of about half of humanity constitutes a danger to the existence of humanity as a whole. Like the 48% of Americans who think it would be a good idea to bomb Iran.

Does anybody even have the remotest idea what the fallout effects are when you whack a uranium enrichment plant?
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Re: Insane

Unread postby o2ny » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 14:15:24

I think that was a real post... common_sense's cute little diatribe represents the almost universal knee-jerk denial response of those confronted with the issue of peak-oil for the first time, whether they are intelligent people or not.

That said, I sure do wish he/she would come back and answer some of the fine rebuttals levied against his statement.
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Re: Insane

Unread postby lateStarter » Wed 19 Apr 2006, 16:46:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Karl', '[')b]latestarter wrote
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')orry, but those are not the words of Paul. He was 'quoting' a prevalent attitude at the time (maybe Epicureans). In other words, forget about any kind of afterlife - just do it (Nike)!


It was Paul's first letter to the Corinthians C15 v 32 and his was quoting from Isaiah C23 v 13.

That aside the point about needing a greater faith than that of being religious came from an article in the UK Sunday Times magazine a few months ago discussing the potential coming 'Dark Age'.

My point is if you are so convinced in yourself and cannot see the issues and problems that are becoming evident - you best make the most of it while you can.


Karl,

Quite right! Thanks for the x-reference to Isaiah.

I was just trying to point out that he wasn't advocating that lifestyle, just trying to use that as a counterpoint...

In other words, if the Christian beliefs were just nonsense, why go through all the trouble (and persecution) - might as well party on like everyone else (very loose paraphrase - my apologies)
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