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Unread postby entropyfails » Thu 13 Apr 2006, 01:08:32

South Park had a 2 episode set in which they wanted to end with showing a picture of Muhammad handing Peter Griffin of Family Guy a large fish in a helmet. Comedy Central refused to air that part of the show and they had to display a message on a black background stating that fact. Of course, they own the network so they can decide to air whatever they want. But what is wrong with this world that we can accept South Park showing Jesus crapping on the President but we are too afraid to show a murderous zealot handing a fish to a cartoon character?!?!

The ironic part is that South Park has already aired an episode showing Muhammad, 504 SuperBestFriends. They had all the major world religious figures flying around with super powers fighting robots and saving Washington DC. But 5 years later, our supposed leaders and industry tycoons can no longer allow free speech that didn’t criticize them directly? I mean they have ALWAYS tried to censor bad information about themselves, but they didn’t used to stop people from poking fun of anything else. That meme worries me far more than any particular act of content editing.

Please try not to let this degrade into bashing Muslims in general. But feel free to discuss the crippling effects of succumbing to terrorist demands and trying to appease zealots.

Sad. Just sad.
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Re: Comedy Central Censors Muhammad Image

Unread postby 0mar » Thu 13 Apr 2006, 02:39:06

Nitpicking, but the government didn't censor Comedy Central. Comedy Central censored itself.

I guess the risk of showing Muhammed wasn't worth the financial risk.Money rules everything :(
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Re: Comedy Central Censors Muhammad Image

Unread postby abelardlindsay » Thu 13 Apr 2006, 02:59:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('entropyfails', '
')Please try not to let this degrade into bashing Muslims in general. But feel free to discuss the crippling effects of succumbing to terrorist demands and trying to appease zealots.

Sad. Just sad.


These Islamic attitudes are the same as they've always been. Try and read the Koran and you'll realize that there actions are basically "by the book". Reading the Koran will make you disgusted at anyone who proposes that there is only a narrow gap of misunderstanding between the West and Islam that can be easily bridged with better communication.

The problem is is that the Islamists have lots of money thanks to oil and better telecommunications so they see how unholy the rest of the world is and we get the current clash of civilizations.
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Re: Comedy Central Censors Muhammad Image

Unread postby entropyfails » Thu 13 Apr 2006, 04:44:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('0mar', 'N')itpicking, but the government didn't censor Comedy Central. Comedy Central censored itself.

I guess the risk of showing Muhammed wasn't worth the financial risk.Money rules everything :(


Nitpicking, but I never said that. *grin* Comedy Central did it to themselves.

If they don’t air the full episode within 3 months, I will boycott them. Several others I have talked to will do the same. I assume some sort of internet groundswell will form along those lines.

Hopefully the South Park guys can get on another network that won’t bow down to fear, but we may not have any of those left.
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Re: Comedy Central Censors Muhammad Image

Unread postby entropyfails » Thu 13 Apr 2006, 04:49:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('abelardlindsay', '
')These Islamic attitudes are the same as they've always been. Try and read the Koran and you'll realize that there actions are basically "by the book". Reading the Koran will make you disgusted at anyone who proposes that there is only a narrow gap of misunderstanding between the West and Islam that can be easily bridged with better communication.

The problem is is that the Islamists have lots of money thanks to oil and better telecommunications so they see how unholy the rest of the world is and we get the current clash of civilizations.


Agreed. With fun quotes like...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ''')And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshiping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against As-Zatimun (the polytheists and wrong doers)" (Surat At-Taubah 9;5).


or
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (Mohammad) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christists) until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (Surah At-Taubah 9:29).


How could you go wrong? *laugh*

Zealots and true believers suck.
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Re: Comedy Central Censors Muhammad Image

Unread postby abelardlindsay » Thu 13 Apr 2006, 07:45:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('entropyfails', '
')Agreed. With fun quotes like...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ''')And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshiping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against As-Zatimun (the polytheists and wrong doers)" (Surat At-Taubah 9;5).


or
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (Mohammad) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christists) until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (Surah At-Taubah 9:29).


How could you go wrong? *laugh*

Zealots and true believers suck.



The problem with the neo-con approach to Islam is they think that it could be defeated by showing how western freemarket capitalism is a better approach to organizing society than totalitarianism. Sorry, communism failed because it said it would make life better and did not. Communism at least pretended to be intellectual. George Bush thought he was a theologian of Islam. He wasn't.

ISLAM IS NOT INTELLECTUAL. The Koran is an instruction booklet that God gives to the believers to tell them what to do. It does not give reasons for why you must do these things. It does not explain the faith in stories or allegories. It comes right out and tells you what to do, what to say to snarky unbelievers when they criticize you. It promises you heaven if you obey and death and opression if you don't.
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Re: Comedy Central Censors Muhammad Image

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Thu 13 Apr 2006, 10:53:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('entropyfails', 'P')lease try not to let this degrade into bashing Muslims in general.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('entropyfails', 'b')ut we are too afraid to show a murderous zealot handing a fish to a cartoon character?!?!

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Please try not to let this degrade into bashing Muslims in general. But feel free to discuss the crippling effects of succumbing to terrorist demands and trying to appease zealots.


Nope, no muslim bashing going on here. None at all.
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Re: Comedy Central Censors Muhammad Image

Unread postby PrairieMule » Thu 13 Apr 2006, 11:15:27

I saw the episode last night. I think by not showing Mohamed it had more effect, let the imagination fill in the blanks just like Alfred Hitchcock did in most of his movies. How many times did they show in Psycho does Janet Leigh get stabbed in the shower, once or several times? Zero, they don't show it, our imagination assumes she was stabbed multiple times by the music. Same thing with the Blair Witch Project do we see the ghost, no just victims reactions.

I did not expect the retaliation cartoon to make me laugh so hard. That was classic.
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Re: Comedy Central Censors Muhammad Image

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 13 Apr 2006, 11:26:22

What does a fish in a helmet mean anyway? Is there some kind of sly symbolism? A fish rots from the head down? Don't think, just fight?
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Re: Comedy Central Censors Muhammad Image

Unread postby PrairieMule » Thu 13 Apr 2006, 11:55:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'W')hat does a fish in a helmet mean anyway? Is there some kind of sly symbolism? A fish rots from the head down? Don't think, just fight?


No random topics jumbled together to make a joke. It was revealed(in satire) that the jokes from Family Guy were written by a tank full of manatees choosing 4 beach balls with random topics printed on their. They also chose the subject of win a date , gary coleman, mexico, and wrote a show about it. Kind of like how Seinfeld was a show about nothing.
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Re: Comedy Central Censors Muhammad Image

Unread postby entropyfails » Thu 13 Apr 2006, 13:41:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'N')ope, no muslim bashing going on here. None at all.


Oh I bash Muhammad any chance I get. But I won't bash people for believing in his nonsense. See the distinction?

What version of Muhammad's life do you believe in? I believe the one where he went around, stealing, pillaging, and killing anyone who didn't believe in his version of the "truth". Fortunately for my point of view, he wrote all that crap down.

Zealots suck. Muhammad was a zealot. Therefore Muhammad sucks.
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Re: Comedy Central Censors Muhammad Image

Unread postby entropyfails » Thu 13 Apr 2006, 14:04:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'I') saw the episode last night. I think by not showing Mohamed it had more effect, let the imagination fill in the blanks just like Alfred Hitchcock did in most of his movies. How many times did they show in Psycho does Janet Leigh get stabbed in the shower, once or several times? Zero, they don't show it, our imagination assumes she was stabbed multiple times by the music. Same thing with the Blair Witch Project do we see the ghost, no just victims reactions.

I did not expect the retaliation cartoon to make me laugh so hard. That was classic.

I disagree. After 2 episodes of them self-censoring the image of Muhammad, I wanted the emotional release of seeing him portrayed on the TV in a simple joke. Trey and Matt wanted the same but their corporate masters caved into fear.

I agree about the ending, however. It would have been better if we could have seen the simple Muhammad joke then see them take on their own culture and bash it as well. They wanted to show they were equal opportunity bashers. The first episode was a triumph. The second would have been the ultimate finisher if they were allowed to show what they wanted. But apparently fear rules the day. The terrorists got what they wanted. That just made the end sad, even though I laughed.

Head in the sand indeed.
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Re: Comedy Central Censors Muhammad Image

Unread postby katkinkate » Thu 13 Apr 2006, 19:55:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('entropyfails', '.')...Hopefully the South Park guys can get on another network that won’t bow down to fear, but we may not have any of those left.


Or maybe set up as an internet broadcast; pay per view, or subscription. Then they can say anything they want. For now anyway.
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Re: Comedy Central Censors Muhammad Image

Unread postby entropyfails » Thu 13 Apr 2006, 20:36:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('katkinkate', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('entropyfails', '.')...Hopefully the South Park guys can get on another network that won’t bow down to fear, but we may not have any of those left.


Or maybe set up as an internet broadcast; pay per view, or subscription. Then they can say anything they want. For now anyway.


Exactly!

As long as the majority of the internet remains free, I think we have a good chance of avoiding totalitarianism. I’d personally pay at least 50 bucks a year to see South Park online. I feel somewhat certain that they could get another couple of million people to do the same. Of course, they have become used to much larger revenue streams so they may just decided to stick with the network censorship. Without the backup of the internet, however, they wouldn’t even have a choice. I’d bet most of the governments of the world would crack down on the big businesses that run the media industry within 5 to 10 years if the internet didn’t provide a competitor.

The scariest part of "loosing the grid" in Olduvai terms for me involves the loss of the internet. I really feel that it serves as humanities best and last hope against evil.
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Re: Comedy Central Censors Muhammad Image

Unread postby arocoun » Fri 14 Apr 2006, 22:49:58

Actually, I think they already show old South Park episodes online, officially, for free. Not 100% sure. I bet they wouldn't expect anywhere near $50 a year to see new ones.
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