[emailking]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Michel', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emailking', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Michel', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emailking', 'T')he machine is bogus though.

[emailking]

Your machine works by an imbalance of forces. Moreover, this imbalance is designed to remain constant. Considering the "floats" in your system, given a float, on one side it gains an energy E as it is pulled down by the net force. However, on the other side, the symmetry that *must* be maintained to keep your system going results in a force which is now pulling the same float down as it is trying to rise. Since it moves through the same distance as before, it loses an energy E, the same energy as before. So the net eneryg that can be extracted from a single float as this machine operates is:

E + (-E) = E - E = 0. (<---- look, calculations!)

If you have N such floats, we will multiply this number by N. Thus the total energy you can extract is N*0 = 0. (<---- more calculations!)

So you cannot extract any energy and allow the system to keep going.

Now what *will* happen is that the water will extract energy from this system in form of heat due to friction. So it will in fact come to a stop if left alone. The equilibrium situation is when all of floats have equal compression. That is a stable situation, assuming they are all equally spaced on the conveyer.

"But one little also to increase the weight of the masses with 5-10-20... kg to calculate these weights it is necessary to hold account, primarily, of the losses for frictions, which comes from the springs with gas."

How do you propose these losses will be made up??

Oh wait, free energy...right. I forgot.

Seriously, this is no more profound than noting that if you release a frictionless ball from one end of a valley, it will roll to the other end and back and forth indefinitely. You cannot extract any energy from this, or it will not roll as high anymore. In reality the ball is not frictionless, and will continuously lose energy (due to rolling friction, which isn't really friction techinically, but it behaves the same way) till it comes to a stop.

[Ingenuity_Gap]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Michel', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Frank', 'B')ECAUSE IT WON'T WORK!!!
Si c'est si facile que cela, organizez une compagnie, offrez les actions, construire une telle machine et prouvez toute ca au monde!!

[Ingenuity_Gap]

Michel,

Didn't your grandma teach you that NOTHING is free?

[aldente]

What a pack of wolfes you are...
There is- and belive me, with or without you- there always will be a form of mindset that allows the 'irrational' to take place. This includes the absurd perpetual motion kind of thought. http://besslerwheel.com/forum/

[Ingenuity_Gap]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('albente', 'W')hat a pack of wolfes you are...
There is- and belive me, with or without you- there always will be a form of mindset that allows the 'irrational' to take place. This includes the absurd perpetuum motion kind of thought. http://besslerwheel.com/forum/

[aldente]

You are on the wrong track! Essentially what you bang onto is a gong that looks like that:
http://www.bbs-klang.de/bilder/saeg_200_3.jpg

[Michel]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ingenuity_Gap', ' ')Perpetuum Mobile? No doubt you are simple. Very-very simple minded if you think you can get something from nothing. Perhaps God is able to pull this kind of trick, but since you are not God...

[aldente]

Wuerth AG does not state anything different. Of course perpetual motion is a nuisence, however any form of planetary continuation everv since the Big Bang occured 4 and a half Billion years ago proves the opposite!

PS: I am not a religions freak and don't look to take credit for that shit..
http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic18753.html

[emailking]

Michel, what about my analysis of why your machine doesn't work? Can I take your silence to mean you agree?

[Michel]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emailking', 'M')ichel, what about my analysis of why your machine doesn't work? Can I take your silence to mean you agree?

[coyote]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ingenuity_Gap', 'M')ichel,

Didn't your grandma teach you that NOTHING is free?

[emailking]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Michel', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emailking', 'M')ichel, what about my analysis of why your machine doesn't work? Can I take your silence to mean you agree?

[Michel]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coyote', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ingenuity_Gap', 'M')ichel,

Didn't your grandma teach you that NOTHING is free?

[coyote]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Michel', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coyote', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ingenuity_Gap', 'M')ichel,

Didn't your grandma teach you that NOTHING is free?

[Michel]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emailking', '.').. why are you giving us the secret before you have a chance to get rich?

[Etalon]

Ill believe it when I see it.

Go for it Michel. Make one, and ill eat my hat. Not that I wear one. Instead, ill eat my physics education, and every single physics textbook I can find in the library. (im not joking, as I consider my bet 100% safe (and all real physists would agree))

So many people make these claims, noone actually makes one.. I wonder why.

In my opinion, the last thing we need in a peak oil forum is a perpetual motion nut.

[Ingenuity_Gap]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Michel', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ingenuity_Gap', ' ')Perpetuum Mobile? No doubt you are simple. Very-very simple minded if you think you can get something from nothing. Perhaps God is able to pull this kind of trick, but since you are not God...

[Ingenuity_Gap]

It's way above my intellectual capacity. I quit.

[SolarDave]

Michel, you are working WAY too hard on your design. This is all you need:



The wheel is circular and underwater.
Around the rim are sets of metal plates arranged in pairs.
Each pair of plates has a fixed plate and a hinged plate.
Between the plates are "balloons" filled with air.
The balloons are cross-connected with tubes so air can flow between pairs of them on opposite sides of the wheel.

Theory of operation:

Obviously, the plates will squeeze the air out of the balloons on the right side, as the top plate is hinged so that it can press down on the balloon. On the left side the hinged plate is now the bottom plate, and it falls away from the balloon allowing it to fill with air from it's connected twin. As the wheel spins, air is continuously pumped from the right side of the wheel to the left side. With more buoyancy on the left side, the wheel continues to turn forever.

Simple math involving no more than 5 differential equations proves this works.

There. Now we can close this board down for sure.