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Re: Free Energy.

Postby waegari » Thu 06 Apr 2006, 05:02:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Michel', 'T')ry to understand all over again a principle of action and check up calculations before speaking.


You seem to forget that, even if the device would work, you will first have to produce the machine, which implies delving for raw materials, transportation, manufacturing.
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Re: Free Energy.

Postby Agren » Thu 06 Apr 2006, 07:38:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Michel', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', 'O')h, these perpetual motion machines! They never work, did you know that? The first law of thermodinamics guarantees that. There is no such thing as free energy.

In this particular device, it's obvious that friction hasn't been taken into account.
Try to understand all over again a principle of action and check up calculations before speaking.


No Michel, you build it and prove it works. And then you go on to become the richest man alive.

And by doing so you also prove generations of PhD:s have been wrong, and just about everything we know about physics is wrong. The burden of proof is on you.
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Re: Free Energy.

Postby bobcousins » Thu 06 Apr 2006, 08:15:01

This appears to be a variation on the usual buoyancy device. The Museum of Unworkable Devices

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Agren', 'N')o Michel, you build it and prove it works. And then you go on to become the richest man alive.


Good quote :)

The design of these machines seems to be complicated so that they obfuscate the simple principle that they don't work. However, they are simple enough so that they could be built in a home workshop - only one of the floats would need to be built to prove the principle.
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Re: Free Energy.

Postby Michel » Thu 06 Apr 2006, 09:33:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bobcousins', '-') only one of the floats would need to be built to prove the principle.

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Re: Free Energy.

Postby Agren » Thu 06 Apr 2006, 09:53:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Michel', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bobcousins', '-') only one of the floats would need to be built to prove the principle.

Yes!
You are right!!!


Ok, so when will we see a working prototype by you?
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Re: Free Energy.

Postby Michel » Thu 06 Apr 2006, 10:11:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Agren', ' ')Ok, so when will we see a working prototype by you?

I not need for prototype. The engine 01 11357 is easily verifiable by simple arithmetic calculations.
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Re: Free Energy.

Postby Agren » Thu 06 Apr 2006, 10:24:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Michel', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Agren', ' ')Ok, so when will we see a working prototype by you?

I not need for prototype. The engine 01 11357 is easily verifiable by simple arithmetic calculations.


Ok, so now we all know (as if we didn't already) that you are a complete sham. Congratulations. Now go away.
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Re: Free Energy.

Postby coyote » Thu 06 Apr 2006, 10:25:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Michel', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Agren', ' ')Ok, so when will we see a working prototype by you?

I not need for prototype. The engine 01 11357 is easily verifiable by simple arithmetic calculations.

Wrong. Build it! No one here is going to believe wild claims until they see it work.
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Re: Free Energy.

Postby Michel » Thu 06 Apr 2006, 10:36:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coyote', 'W')rong. Build it! No one here is going to believe wild claims until they see it work.

One should not believe. It is necessary to understand operation and to check calculations.
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Re: Free Energy.

Postby Rambo » Thu 06 Apr 2006, 10:40:11

Are here is the transport of the future.


http://totallyabsurd.com/windmillboat.htm


And you don't have to worry about peak oil anymore.

http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/news/the-r ... mail2=true
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Re: Free Energy.

Postby bobbyald » Thu 06 Apr 2006, 13:32:25

If I understand this devise correctly you are trying to extract energy from the pressure difference between shallow and deep water by effectively increasing a floats volume in deeper water.

These devices all miss the fact that an expanding volume in deep water foces water upward within the tank. This takes an equivalent amount of energy to that you hope to produce. If you then take into account friction you have a net energy loss.
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Re: Free Energy.

Postby Michel » Thu 06 Apr 2006, 15:14:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bobbyald', 'I')f I understand this devise correctly you are trying to extract energy from the pressure difference between shallow and deep water by effectively increasing a floats volume in deeper water.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buoyancy
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Re: Free Energy.

Postby Michel » Thu 06 Apr 2006, 15:14:52

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Re: Free Energy.

Postby Ingenuity_Gap » Fri 07 Apr 2006, 13:44:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Michel', 'h')ttp://www.sciencejoywagon.com/physicszone/lesson/otherpub/wfendt/buoyforce.htm


Michel,

They are surely teaching different physics in France, or is it because you weren't paying attention to the classes?

Go somewhere else and preach your fantasies.
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Re: Free Energy.

Postby emailking » Fri 07 Apr 2006, 14:38:21

As a physicist, it's interesting to me how people cite the 2nd law of thermodynamic as proof these machines don't work. In fact, the 2nd law is not a law at all but only a statement of what is overwhelmingly likely to be the case.

You can, for example, calculate the non-zero probability that a pot of water at room temperature will inextricably start boiling, as the air around it gets colder.

The chances of that happening are something like 1 out of 10^(10^200) or some other absurdly small number (depends on a lot of factors). Still, if it happened, the universe probably wouldn't dwell on the apparent 'violation' of the 2nd "law."

The machine is bogus though. :-D
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Re: Free Energy.

Postby Michel » Fri 07 Apr 2006, 15:18:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emailking', 'T')he machine is bogus though. :-D


Why??
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Re: Free Energy.

Postby Frank » Fri 07 Apr 2006, 16:27:16

BECAUSE IT WON'T WORK!!!


Si c'est si facile que cela, organizez une compagnie, offrez les actions, construire une telle machine et prouvez toute ca au monde!!

(If it's as easy as all that, start a company, sell shares, make such a machine and prove it to the world.)
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Re: Free Energy.

Postby emailking » Fri 07 Apr 2006, 16:55:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Michel', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emailking', 'T')he machine is bogus though. :-D


Why??


Because if it worked we'd be hearing about it on the news, not from you.
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Re: Free Energy.

Postby Michel » Fri 07 Apr 2006, 17:51:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emailking', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Michel', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emailking', 'T')he machine is bogus though. :-D
Why??
Because if it worked we'd be hearing about it on the news, not from you.

Then, show has us and has YOU by arithmetic calculations that the machine will function, OR, it will not function. It is should not be difficult for a physicist to make calculations of a simple mechanical mechanism.
P.S. My calculations are higher.

Alors, démontrez a nous et a VOUS par les calculs arithmétiques que la machine fonctionnera, OU bien, elle ne fonctionnera pas. C'est ne doit pas être difficile pour un physicien de faire les calculs d'un simple mécanisme mécanique.
P.S. Mes calculs sont plus haut.
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Re: Free Energy.

Postby Michel » Fri 07 Apr 2006, 18:04:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Frank', 'B')ECAUSE IT WON'T WORK!!!
Si c'est si facile que cela, organizez une compagnie, offrez les actions, construire une telle machine et prouvez toute ca au monde!!

Je ne suis pas un homme d'affaires, je suis un simple inventeur des Perpetuum Mobile.

I am not a businessman, I am a simple inventor of Perpetuum Mobile.
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