[basil_hayden]

Obviously we need to charge a steep entry fee, that'll make it all OK.

[emersonbiggins]

You didn't hear this from me, but... the homebuilding and construction lobbies (read: among the largest GOP contributors & 50+% of GDP growth) would have a fit if their costs of doing business went up as a result of immigration tightening. Therefore, [fill in the blank].

[holmes]

emersonB is now getting to the core truth. Thus the 2.2 million acre loss of open space each year in the US. connect the dots. The shitstorm is growing. all going to plan.actually going a bit faster than I thought.

[PrairieMule]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'Y')ou didn't hear this from me, but... the homebuilding and construction lobbies (read: among the largest GOP contributors & 50+% of GDP growth) would have a fit if their costs of doing business went up as a result of immigration tightening. Therefore, [fill in the blank].

[anneliese-nyc]

The question is why are they here ? 11 million is the estimate of the government and numbersusa.com estimates upward of 20 million .
Why the billions of dollars for Homeland Security and yet wide open borders ?
The government seems to want an underclass here . Too many secret agendas and lies .The biggest being the war in Iraq. The hearings on immigration were held behind closed doors in the beginning. athe government who has ignored the citizens these past 5-7 years also ignore the laws of the land .

This is all tied up with THEIR vision of the future but I cannot seem to connect the dots on this one .They KNOW there will be a severe energy crisis in the future and yet are about to welcome an underclass.

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('anneliese-nyc', '
')Why the billions of dollars for Homeland Security and yet wide open borders ?

[Daculling]

Sums it it..

[TommyJefferson]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('anneliese-nyc', 'T')he question is why are they here ?

[seahorse2]

Well, all this immigration debate etc in the US Senate, on t.v., and on the streets is much ado about nothing - the immigration decision has already been made, its final, endgame, no debate, courtesy of the Department of Homeland Security. They've mapped out the immigration strategy from 2003-2012, see "Endgame" attached hereto.

Endgame - DHS

[PenultimateManStanding]

Wow! They really mean to round up every undocumented alien and deport them? All 12 million of them? I'll believe it when it happens.

[Daculling]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', '
')It's a win-win for our Senators and Emperor. Meanwhile, We, the former middle-class pay and decline.

[holmes]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('anneliese-nyc', 'T')he question is why are they here ? 11 million is the estimate of the government and numbersusa.com estimates upward of 20 million .
Why the billions of dollars for Homeland Security and yet wide open borders ?
The government seems to want an underclass here . Too many secret agendas and lies .The biggest being the war in Iraq. The hearings on immigration were held behind closed doors in the beginning. athe government who has ignored the citizens these past 5-7 years also ignore the laws of the land .

This is all tied up with THEIR vision of the future but I cannot seem to connect the dots on this one .They KNOW there will be a severe energy crisis in the future and yet are about to welcome an underclass.

[Daculling]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse2', '
')Endgame - DHS

[holmes]

These cretins have spit on and mocked the graves of the great Cesar Chavez and Zapata! They are an embarassment to their nation. Bring it on.
They have hijacked Cesar Chavez's organization and have ruined it.

[seahorse2]

PMS -

They don't have to detain everyone, just the troublemakers - you included. Kinda like shooting into an unruly crowd, just a few go down and the crowd disperses, kind a like Kent State.

In fact, when I did riot training in the army, we practiced intentionally letting trouble makers through the line so that they could be arrested by a second group of soldiers just behind the line. Take out the leaders and the problem goes away.

So, detain all 11 million? There's no need.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse2', 'P')MS -
They don't have to detain everyone, just the troublemakers - you included.

[PenultimateManStanding]

Oh yeah, stop me if you've heard this one: A mexican is sneaking across the border and is stopped by a Border Patrol agent who asks the Mexican if he is an American. The Mexican says "si, er I mean yes!" The Border Patrol guy says, "OK, I'll let you in if you can use the words 'green', 'pink', and 'yellow' in a sentence. The Mexican says, "No problema, 'The phone green, I pink it up and say yellow'".

[seahorse2]

Now, PMS raises an interesting point, is there security in numbers? Can the DHS lock up everyone? Well, for those of you who don't know, the Army is prepared to assist DHS with the lockup. In Feb 2005, the Army instituted Policy 210-35 which is its "Civilian Inmate Labor Program." Under this new policy, the Army is authorized to use civilian inmate labor on any military base at no charge to the gov't. Effectively, this turns any US military installation into a prison, detention facility, should that be necessary.

Army Reg 210-35

[PenultimateManStanding]

We all know, Seahorse2, that things will get very bad. Can there be any doubt? I have said it many times already, I love my homeland, people who think we are the New Nazis are wrong in my book. Perhaps I am naive. I expect to shed many tears before this all over. It's going to be very painful to adjust to the reality of shrinking resources, and not just for Americans. I guess that Mexico will be hit hard with famine and death before us.