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THE Jared Diamond Thread (merged)
Re: Jared Diamond on nuclear power
by jimk » Fri 17 Mar 2006, 02:47:34
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gg3', 'p')ain & itch (ten points to anyone who knows where that phrase came from).
I vote for some old psoriasis commercial.
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Re: Jared Diamond on nuclear power
by Ludi » Fri 17 Mar 2006, 08:04:04
Better start building them, huh?
Yep, better get on it.
Yep, better get on it.
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Re: Jared Diamond on nuclear power
by Novus » Fri 17 Mar 2006, 08:42:53
I don't think we will start building nuclear until the really American people start feeling some real pain for the comming crisis. When the economy collapses and unemployment reaches depression era levels the nukes will get built. There is no way nukes can save the current economy. Is what nukes will do is soften the blow and delay die-off (still 20+ years away) or atleast make the collapse more orderly.
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Re: Jared Diamond on nuclear power
by SHiFTY » Fri 17 Mar 2006, 09:41:00
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')an you imagine these glowing dustbins when TSHTF and no one is taking care of them?
What does that mean? The whole idea of building more energy sources is to prevent TSHTF at all. If you keep technological society together, then you don't have a problem with waste management because the systems and authorities are still in place.
A collapse is not inevitable. As is commonly said, what the world is facing is NOT an energy crisis, but a liquid fuels crisis, and a future climate crisis from CO2.
A large extension of nuclear power would certainly enable substitutes like electric transit to come on stream, and slow or remove CO2 emissions.
If the US can afford $2B a week in Iraq there is certainly the funding available to build on a massive scale. As energy costs rise, it looks like an increasingly good investment, especially if the true cost of coal is taken into account.
I just hope that the Chinese start building lots of reactors like the AP-1000s instead of coal plants.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he AP1000 has 50 percent fewer valves, 83 percent less piping, 87 percent less control cable, 35 percent fewer pumps and 50 percent less seismic building volume than a similarly sized conventional plant. These reductions in equipment and bulk quantities lead to major savings in plant costs and construction schedules.
The apocalypticons don't like nuclear power as it messes with their doomer visions, it could easily work and they know it.
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Re: Jared Diamond on nuclear power
by PolestaR » Fri 17 Mar 2006, 10:18:09
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SHiFTY', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')an you imagine these glowing dustbins when TSHTF and no one is taking care of them?
What does that mean? The whole idea of building more energy sources is to prevent TSHTF at all. If you keep technological society together, then you don't have a problem with waste management because the systems and authorities are still in place.
A collapse is not inevitable. As is commonly said, what the world is facing is NOT an energy crisis, but a liquid fuels crisis, and a future climate crisis from CO2.
A large extension of nuclear power would certainly enable substitutes like electric transit to come on stream, and slow or remove CO2 emissions.
If the US can afford $2B a week in Iraq there is certainly the funding available to build on a massive scale. As energy costs rise, it looks like an increasingly good investment, especially if the true cost of coal is taken into account.
I just hope that the Chinese start building lots of reactors like the AP-1000s instead of coal plants.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he AP1000 has 50 percent fewer valves, 83 percent less piping, 87 percent less control cable, 35 percent fewer pumps and 50 percent less seismic building volume than a similarly sized conventional plant. These reductions in equipment and bulk quantities lead to major savings in plant costs and construction schedules.
The apocalypticons don't like nuclear power as it messes with their doomer visions, it could easily work and they know it.
According to a few things I've read at the current rate of uranium use (without reusing) it will be gone in 35 years. What does this extend to if nuclear was doubled? tripled? We are going to need 50 times the electricity we currently produce if we are going to get anywhere near replacing liquid fuels. Yet even doubling our electricity output won't happen imo.
It's easy to say "look the Iraq war is costing 2B/day", where is most of that going? Probably into the wages of the people. If you start drawing more resources out of the ground it eventually becomes more and more expensive, so it's easy to say "look at 2B/day we could buy 1 million tonnes of steel/cement/hope to make these new power plants, etc, etc" but its a very simplistic approach. And it's not like a one off investment, they need maintenance, etc, etc, even more resources.
One thing you cornupians never quite understand is that any major disruption to our lives for any extended period of time is enough to get Doomsville happening. One reason why doomers are here in such number is because there are no alternatives to cheap energy at all with the current world population. Most people here are comparitively intelligent compared to the rest of society.
Cornupians are usually monetary and power rich people afraid of losing their advantage. They will seek any answer to doomsville even though in the back of their mind if they are intelligent enough they can see the real future.
If cheap energy doesn't roll society there is one more thing just dying to, the growing gap between rich and poor in Western society. House prices jumping so far in price that people can barely afford to rent anymore. Give that 5 more years (regardless of anything external) and see how fantastic things are. Lawl.
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