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Re: Are we being watched?

Postby pedalling_faster » Mon 06 Mar 2006, 15:38:12

yes.
i suggest using it as a potential marketing opportunity.
like, if you're in the process of planning a garage sale, buy some Krispy Kreme's. they're cops right - they got to like donuts !
then post stuff that you think will get their attention.

when they knock on your door, invite them in. personally i like the idea of playing flamenco music.
be cordial and while they absorb the great mis-understanding that led them to your door, you could always invite them to have a look at your high-end pish-posh totally cool junk that you're trying to sell.
it might help if you have that 320 pound finnish woman answering the door.
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Re: Are we being watched?

Postby backstop » Mon 06 Mar 2006, 16:11:06

Perhaps before worrying about watchers, it would be instructive to consider the role of Simmons in the growth of PO awareness.
Advisor to Bush, Oil-man/banker, the insider's insider.
And one of his earliest efforts to propagate public awareness of PO ?
Via an interview with Ruppert at FTW . . . .

And what degree of character assassination has he (quite predictably) faced in mainstream media ?
Not a lot.
So if, as is plainly possible, this site has official watchers, my guess is that they're here to be sure we're keeping to schedule in bringing public attention to PO.

Remember, for a politician the first priority when facing a crisis is to co-opt someone else to deliver the bad news to the public . . .
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Re: Are we being watched?

Postby MacG » Mon 06 Mar 2006, 17:52:19

Oh dear! Take a step back. Imagine trying to write a weekly Executive Summary about what is going on here. They probably put the new hires on probation on that task. And wet their pants from supressing laughter when listening to the stuff. Probably some kind of Rite of Passage thing at the NSA.
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AG Gonzales: 'Freedom' is government surveillence

Postby emersonbiggins » Sun 19 Nov 2006, 01:32:59

8O See, we've been defining 'freedom' wrong this whole time.
Apparently, warrantless wiretapping allows all this 'freedom,' and we should like it. See, our 'freedom' carries 'responsibilities', and one of those is subjecting citizens to warrantless wiretapping.
Shiat, since I've never read the "Bill of Responsibilities," maybe Gonzales & Cheney can catch me up sometime?
Freedom is messy, that's for sure.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')onzales blasts surveillance critics
By CHASE SQUIRES, Associated Press Writer Sat Nov 18, 3:47 PM ET
AIR FORCE ACADEMY, Colo. - Attorney General Alberto Gonzales contended Saturday that some critics of the Bush administration's warrantless surveillance program were defining freedom in a way that poses a "grave threat" to U.S. security.
Gonzales was the second administration official in two days to attack a federal judge's ruling last August that the program was unconstitutional. Vice President
Dick Cheney on Friday called the ruling "an indefensible act of judicial overreaching."

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')But this view is shortsighted," he said. "Its definition of freedom — one utterly divorced from civic responsibility — is superficial and is itself a grave threat to the liberty and security of the American people."
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Re: AG Gonzales: 'Freedom' is government surveillence

Postby jbrovont » Sun 19 Nov 2006, 06:52:32

This is a little chilling. Did he really just say that wanting freedom from warrantless search & seizure is a "credible threat?" Because it sounds like they're saying this judge, and anyone who defends their rights constitute a "grave threat" to U.S. security. Am I reading this right? According to the MCA, acting or organizing in a way that is a "threat" to the U.S. is a defacto conspiriacy to terrorism. Also constituting a "clear intent to relinquish citizenship." ...aka "freedom" from a public trial.

In a system designed to have checks and balances, when one branch blatently "over reaches," and tries to subvert The Constitution - the basis of U.S. government, and another branch brings them back into line - who has overstepped what bounds? Exactly who has conspired to destroy what here?

Might one argue that attempting to render The Constitution impotent...is an attempt to destroy the same?

I would be _facinated_ to hear Gonzales and Cheney explain what exactly will be so worth defending about the United States of America when the name "America" becomes divorced from the idea of "freedom."
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Re: AG Gonzales: 'Freedom' is government surveillence

Postby gego » Sun 19 Nov 2006, 09:02:16

Looks to me like Bush, Cheney, Gonzalez, and Ashcroft, just to mention a few of the thugs, think of freedom as they being free to do what they want to you.

Government is the principal destroyer of freedom, which is why the Bill of Rights was put in the Constitution; it was an attempt to prevent exactly what our current rulers are doing. Obviously the Constitution does not have as much staying power as the founding fathers thought it would.
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Re: AG Gonzales: 'Freedom' is government surveillence

Postby Kingcoal » Sun 19 Nov 2006, 11:43:16

Somehow I'm not surprized by Gonzalez's comment. Remember:

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

And don't you forget it.
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Re: AG Gonzales: 'Freedom' is government surveillence

Postby billp » Sun 19 Nov 2006, 14:20:33

DOJ isn't all bad.

DOJ employees Kovakas and Kornblut fingered the FBI for ignoring a 1996 FOIA/PA request.

http://www.prosefights.org/nmlegal/fbif ... htm#hardy1

Fumble, bumble, and inept [albuquerque police department moniker] are in the nonresponse mode.
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Spies put transmitters in Canadian coins

Postby J-Rod » Wed 10 Jan 2007, 20:27:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')im Bronskill
Canadian press

OTTAWA – They say money talks, and a new report suggests Canadian currency is indeed chatting, at least electronically, on behalf of shadowy spies.

Canadian coins containing tiny transmitters have mysteriously turned up in the pockets of at least three American contractors who visited Canada, says a branch of the U.S. Defense Department.

Security experts believe the miniature devices could be used to track the movements of defence industry personnel dealing in sensitive military technology.


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Nothing to see here, move along prole...

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Re: Spies put transmitters in Canadian coins

Postby lotrfan55345 » Thu 11 Jan 2007, 01:50:59

I think someone is having a case of amphetamine psychosis
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NSA Citizen Spying Reversal?

Postby mattduke » Fri 19 Jan 2007, 02:47:26

I know Expltive deleted. when I smell it. link
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Notice To: My Surveillance Officer

Postby GreenMarine » Wed 24 Jan 2007, 10:49:45

Just some info I thought PO's want to know

Notice To: My Surveillance Officer
Brother,
I quite suspect that you are out there somewhere. Be you NSA, FBI, CIA, DIA, MI6 (heavens forbid MOSSAD!), I'm quite sure that some of our tax money goes to support your illegal surveillance of my life and views.
Oh, I have my specific reasons. But, let's look at what's already out in the public press: ECHELON.
"ECHELON is a term associated with a global network of computers that automatically search through millions of intercepted messages for pre-programmed keywords or fax, telex and e-mail addresses. Every word of every message in the frequencies and channels selected at a station is automatically searched." -Federation of American Scientists
This electronic, warantless surveillance expanded, of course, under the administration of Democrat Bill Clinton. The legal reasoning seems to be that if warrants are required for people to search into our lives, then automatic computer snooping is okay through a loophole.

The government hasn't actually put forth that argument yet, however, because:
"The US government denies Echelon exists." --UK Guardian
So, Brother, are you human or machine? Are the machines indeed taking over, as futurists predict?
The European Parliament investigated the activities of ECHELON, and found:
"The intelligence services of the UKUSA states also helped each other by spying on each other's behalf so that at least local intelligence services could not be accused of anything [unlawful]."
"The ECHELON system has moved away from its original goals, which were linked to the Cold War, and this means that it is not impossible that the intelligence gathered may be used for political and industrial purposes..."
"ECHELON might indeed present a danger to fundamental freedoms and in this context it raises numerous problems that demand appropriate answers." --European Parliament Report on Echelon

So, my Brother, your computers have tracked me, analysed me, recommended me for further evaluation by a living, breathing surveillance officer of the state: you. Here is what I have to say to you.
The government lies, constantly, on nearly every conceivable subject. The entire mythological history of the United States is a pack of lies. I find this immoral.
Morality compels people to seek the truth, no matter how ugly, no matter how out of line with the popularized myths of the day. Morality should compel you, as well (Bro), to examine these subjects in an honest, forthright and lawful manner.

The US Constitution has been violated by the current and twice unelected regime. These are "high crimes" as specified in the Constitution itself. You, as a rational and reasoning intelligence analyst must know this, deep down in your soul. The government is now committing horrendous criminal acts with impunity. They are not being stopped by the Congress, nor by any law enforcement arm (yours?).
As independent citizen bloggers (pamphleteers?), there is little that people of my ilk can do about this, except expose the crimes and complain about them in our communications.
But you, Brother, you are in a much more advantageous position. With a system like ECHELON, or "Total Information Awareness" at your fingertips, you can actually dig far more deeply than can someone like me.

Justice demands it. Morality commands it. Your own conscience must come into play somewhere in all of this grey area swirling with data and knowledge.
We're talking about super-criminals, the pupeteers who arrange for mass casualty terrorism to happen without interference in Lower Manhattan. We're talking about people who kill 650,000 civilians with a stroke of a pen (Bush), or 500,000 innocent children (Clinton). These are very malevolent individuals whose crimes rank with the great names in atrocity and genocide.
And in all of this, we have the UN Charter and the "supreme law of the land" clause in the Constitution rendering these acts illegal, war crimes, the "supreme international crime." This isn't self-defense. This is cold blooded, genocidal mass murder.
It can be stopped. But it's going to take a lot more effort, the effort of people like you, Brother. The line needs to be drawn somewhere. Our Founders drew it pretty damned well near where it needed to be. Think about that.

The crimes of untouchable elite actors need to be exposed. They need to see the inside of jail cells. Nothing short of that will bring peace and prosperity to the majority. And we all know it.
This is the resurgence of the Robber Barons, the hyper-capitalists who would sell their grandmothers into servitude if the profit margin was right. They intend to rule through false flag terror operations and neo-fascism, nationalism, militarism.
That is not a future that any sane person would prefer. Make the right choice.
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Re: Notice To: My Surveillance Officer

Postby Aaron » Wed 24 Jan 2007, 11:05:29

Why would I echelon you when I can just google you?
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

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Re: Notice To: My Surveillance Officer

Postby AWPrime » Wed 24 Jan 2007, 11:06:01

What makes you important enough to warrent surveillance?
Fighting technobabble and Woo Woos.

http://www.skepticwiki.org
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Re: Notice To: My Surveillance Officer

Postby NEOPO » Wed 24 Jan 2007, 11:21:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'W')hy would I echelon you when I can just google you?


I thought about this for about a nanosecond and arrived at several very good reasons why.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AWPrime', ' ')What makes you important enough to warrent surveillance?


If there was a good reason for THEM to surveil one of US do you honestly believe we would expose this online for you and everyone right here and now? Pfft!

Such a small group talking about such fringe subjects uhmmmm I dont know.......
Must be something that they are adding to the food and water 8)
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Re: Notice To: My Surveillance Officer

Postby Dreamtwister » Wed 24 Jan 2007, 11:30:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'W')hy would I echelon you when I can just google you?


That's the second step. First, you use ECHELON to identify the targets. Next, you stalk them and *maybe* bother to eliminate the false positives.

You can't google a name until you know a name.
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Re: Notice To: My Surveillance Officer

Postby Aaron » Wed 24 Jan 2007, 11:36:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'W')hy would I echelon you when I can just google you?

That's the second step. First, you use ECHELON to identify the targets. Next, you stalk them and *maybe* bother to eliminate the false positives.
You can't google a name until you know a name.

Then your GoogleFu is weak & I shall defeat you easily.
Google knows stuff even Google isn't aware of... you have to ask the right questions.
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

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Re: Notice To: My Surveillance Officer

Postby Kingcoal » Wed 24 Jan 2007, 11:43:23

I got all your pertinant info off you MySpace page.

I have an idea for a new product: tin foil shields for you computer gear. I'll even throw in a matching foil hat for protection from brain scanning.
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Re: Notice To: My Surveillance Officer

Postby PrairieMule » Wed 24 Jan 2007, 12:54:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AWPrime', 'W')hat makes you important enough to warrent surveillance?


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Re: Notice To: My Surveillance Officer

Postby MD » Wed 24 Jan 2007, 14:18:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'W')hy would I echelon you when I can just google you?

That's the second step. First, you use ECHELON to identify the targets. Next, you stalk them and *maybe* bother to eliminate the false positives.
You can't google a name until you know a name.

Then your GoogleFu is weak & I shall defeat you easily.
Google knows stuff even Google isn't aware of... you have to ask the right questions.

GoogleFu!
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