by The_Toecutter » Sat 04 Mar 2006, 21:12:19
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his is exactly what the "doomers" predicted, that on the downslope of oil depletion, lower and lower EROEI techniques will be used to produce increasingly expensive oil at ever decreasing rates.
And saldly, they just might be correct on the effects PO has on the greater society as well.
We could have sacrificed 30 years ago, and even 10 years ago switched to more efficient alternatives without sacrificing the living standard of the time, but we did neither. Now we're at the end of the road, last chance, and aren't taking it. Too much money to be made by the oilies, auto companies, defense contractors, and big government all obsessed with growth. Third time's the charm...
I think quadrupling these oil reserves is not only ludicrous, but the rate of extraction won't be enough to make up for shortfall anyway. Further, an earthquake or major leakage could potentially bring that CO2 back out, unlikely it is within the scope of our lifetimes. Like nuclear waste, we'll be dumping the responsibility of containment onto future generations, which is shortsighted and selfish.
The unnecessary felling of a tree, perhaps the old growth of centuries, seems to me a crime little short of murder. ~Thomas Jefferson
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by GoIllini » Sun 05 Mar 2006, 21:09:24
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'O')nce again we see a a high-tech solution in isolation that only prolongs the peak and steepens the decline. This scheme implies on-site gasification and distribution at an unimaginable cost in money, input-energy, time and a consequent loss of proft and eroei. Furthermore it would steal efforts and resources for more productive efforts (such as powerdown, localization, conservation, mass transit, etc.).
Note that it also prolongs the availability of $70-$80/barrel oil. That's the right price to keep the economy turning, while, at the same time, encouraging development of alternative energy.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he question I see here and I see it clearly now is this. So what if the current power structure can deliver some half-assed solution to peak oil. Do we want the status quo to survive? Do we want Waspish elitism running our country or do we want America to really be about a good solid honest eduaction system and equal opportunity and a conscience towards our place in a global community.
Well, this is a worldview issue. I'd like to see every American enjoy the prosperity that white suburbans enjoyed in the '50s and '60s. Maybe that involves lots of cars and lots of energy consumption.
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')A place where teachers are charged to lay bare all of the things they know. You may not be aware of this but many University instructors hide knowledge and do not give that type of mentorship which would build up all who are capable of attaining to advanced mathematics and science degrees, law, medicine. Yes I did just say that! Only hand picked students get the very best instruction and promotion to be near the true centers of intellectual light in our culture. Everyhting about America is bought and paid for, including the lives of precious workers who feed and clothe the children of the wealthy.
I dunno about that, EJ. Big Ten schools are some of the best in the country- same with public colleges out in California. I learn more as an engineering student at the University of Illinois than an engineering student at most Ivy League schools, and hence, the average student in my graduating class will likely earn more than an average engineering student from Harvard, or perhaps even Cornell. U.C. Berkeley, The University of Michigan, Georgia Tech and the University of Illinois all have better engineering programs than a vast majority of the private schools, and, combined, churn out about twice as many engineers as almost all of the private schools in the top 15 engineering schools.
Hence, most of the smartest engineers in the country are children of the middle class, or managed to make it into the private schools on financial aid. And heck, I'm a Democrat who's getting one of the best educations the country can offer. I don't think the Republican conspiracy to block liberals from education is as broad as you allege.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') do not want this state of affairs in my country to continue. I want it to be true that my daughter will not be hindered in any honest pursuit except by her own natural abilities and her willingness to develop them. Did you know that there are univerisities in this country who feel the need to contact other universities and government agencies to get a sort of permission before engaging in certain projects. And then there is the old purse string persuasion that sidelines so many scientists who buck the trends. James Hansen has himself recently beeen singled out for censure by the Bush Administration.