[0mar]

Specop is right.
The constitution doesn't mean dick and it hasn't for the last century or so.
If we want to impeach, we better start off with Woodrow Wilson and move-up the line.
Bush is just following precedent.

[gg3]

Vermont is beginning to look seriously at a little-known Constitutional provision that allows articles of impeachment to be brought by state legislatures. Apparently the idea of doing it that way is starting to gain traction in other states as well, including such apparently unlikely places as Alabama.

And those we used to call mainstream Republicans and Goldwater conservatives, who have in recent years been largely ignored, have been getting absolutely furious over the proposed Dubai port deal.
The balance is shifting. In retrospect the lesson learned will be that incompetence backed up by willful breaking of the law, does not long stand in this republic.

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gg3', 'T')he balance is shifting. In retrospect the lesson learned will be that incompetence backed up by willful breaking of the law, does not long stand in this republic.

[untothislast]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', 'W')hich president was the one that said: "You can fool everybody for some time, and you can fool some people all the time, but you can't fool everybody all the time."?

[TT]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('untothislast', 'W')ho needs to 'fool' anyone these days? People are so apathetic, self-interested and cynical, they're willing to sign up for anything - including catastrophic global climate change - as long as they can still enjoy their cosy 'lifestyles' in the interim.

[shakespear1]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'm')ain stream media missing in action?

[clifman]

I posted this in a thread on Bush's low approval rating yesterday, but it's clearly more relevant here.
I attended a meeting last night in Chapel Hill where civil rights atty Al McSurely made a compelling case for impeachment, and made it sound not just necessary (which seems self-evident) but practical, even in the face of Congressional collusion. For what it's worth, here's a link: Link

As an ex-VT res., I'm heartened by that state's consideration, as noted above. Perhaps the requisite (and long overdue IMO) groundswell is beginning to coalesce.

[untothislast]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TT', 'I') think that people are just interested in surviving the best way they can. Although the maintenance of their lifestyle may result in wars and climate change, people as individuals have little control over this.

[oilfreeandhappy]

I think Bush's approval rating is so low primarily for 2 reasons. First, most Americans know he took us to war in Iraq for "trumped up" reasons. Secondly, he has accomplished nothing by doing so, other than expanding our massive debt and increasing the budget deficit.

There will always be the hard-core Right 30% that accept and support whatever Bush decides. He could declare war on Europe tomorrow, and these people would be behind him. I think the mainstream media is part of this 30%.

[bobcousins]

We have some spare Princes looking for a job, if you guys fancy a monarch. If he doesn't work out, you can have another revolution. Come on, you know you love all that stuff!

[The_Toecutter]

Spare princes? Would they mind if we used them as target practice?

[rogerhb]

Remind the President that
(a) this is war time
(b) he is a big fan of capital punishment
If he's done any aiding and abetting the enemy this should be good for a laugh.

[katkinkate]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oilfreeandhappy', 'I') think Bush's approval rating is so low primarily for 2 reasons. First, most Americans know he took us to war in Iraq for "trumped up" reasons. Secondly, he has accomplished nothing by doing so, other than expanding our massive debt and increasing the budget deficit...

[clifman]

Seems a groundswell may be starting. The VT link in particular is encouraging:
VT: Link
NC: Link
SF: Link
ImpeachPac: Impeach
Munich in America: Link
Clark: Link
Holtzman: Holtzman
http://www.impeachbush.tv/
There is a movement afoot. It does matter. The process can deal with Cheney as well, if Fitgerald doesn't take care of him first. Same goes for the rest of the cabal. The people don't want 'em. We have to get Congress to understand that, and act on it (I know, I know...) But with reference to Gego's comment - if we don't stop the juggernaut now, what will follow will be much worse.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clifman', 'S')eems a groundswell may be starting.

[clifman]

Pressure your Rep. to co-sign the Conyers resolution. Study what's going on in VT - read that Kos diary - and use it as a model in as many states as possible. Support candidates this fall who pledge to impeach - we don't need to wait until after the 'election' (and let's hope it's a reasonably close approximation of such) to get the ball rolling, but having as many supportive members as possible come Jan will make it much more achievable. These are real, grassroots steps that we can all take to help make this happen. We the people can make a difference - wow, I'm usually as cynical as they come. Go read that Kos diary, it gave me hope!

[Dreamtwister]

I hope everyone isn't putting all of their hopes into the impeachment basket. Bush is just the latest in a long series of pawns and fall guys. The US hasn't been run from Washington in decades. It's run from some oil company board room.

Shooting the jockey doesn't make the horse any less lame.

[ChicknLittle]

Link
I was kind of hoping that investigations into the NSA spying would lead to a full investigation, but apparently that isn't going to be allowed.
"Bill Frist threatens to re-structure the Intelligence Committee in order to block NSA hearings -

The Senate Intelligence Committee was created in 1976 and, from the beginning, it has been unique in its structure and operation. Due to the urgency of ensuring that our country has nonpartisan and non-politicized oversight over the Government’s intelligence activities, the Intelligence Committee is structured so that -- unlike every other Senate Committee -- the majority is unable to dominate the Committee’s operation and agenda, and the minority has much greater powers than it does on any other Senate Committee.

...Frist specifically threatened that if the Committee holds NSA hearings, he will fundamentally change the 30-year-old structure and operation of the Senate Intelligence Committee so as to make it like every other Committee, i.e., controlled and dominated by Republicans to advance and rubber-stamp the White House’s agenda rather than exercise meaningful and nonpartisan oversight."

[Magus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ChicknLittle', ' ')Link
I was kind of hoping that investigations into the NSA spying would lead to a full investigation, but apparently that isn't going to be allowed.
"Bill Frist threatens to re-structure the Intelligence Committee in order to block NSA hearings -
The Senate Intelligence Committee was created in 1976 and, from the beginning, it has been unique in its structure and operation. Due to the urgency of ensuring that our country has nonpartisan and non-politicized oversight over the Government’s intelligence activities, the Intelligence Committee is structured so that -- unlike every other Senate Committee -- the majority is unable to dominate the Committee’s operation and agenda, and the minority has much greater powers than it does on any other Senate Committee.
...Frist specifically threatened that if the Committee holds NSA hearings, he will fundamentally change the 30-year-old structure and operation of the Senate Intelligence Committee so as to make it like every other Committee, i.e., controlled and dominated by Republicans to advance and rubber-stamp the White House’s agenda rather than exercise meaningful and nonpartisan oversight."

[J-Rod]

Calm down there, Speccy. Believe it or not, I consider myself a liberal, but one that has full support of the second. Everyone should have the right to bear arms, there's no grey interpretation of that. The founding fathers wanted people to be able to enforce their will on a government that one day might no longer serve the people. Painting anyone with a broad brush of a party, be it red or blue is part of the problem in this country. Most people have values that go across the spectrum, but when it comes time to vote you have to choose. Kind of a sad system really, it would be nicer if there just weren't parties at all, just people that stand on a platform defined by themselves, and not a party.