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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby cudabachi » Wed 01 Mar 2006, 12:13:24

And despite the entire theme of his post (delaying peak oil), he says:

"Even if world petroleum production peaks"

Does he really doubt that it will peak?
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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby JohnDenver » Wed 01 Mar 2006, 20:20:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Virginian', 'A')lso take notice despite his Websites name, his best post only DELAYS PO


Yes, delays it long enough to make the current crop of peak oilers like yourself look like a bunch of idiots.

In terms of the big picture, peak oil doesn't matter because we have many other sources of energy besides oil, and the total energy available to mankind will never terminally decline. There may be some plateaus and dips, but in the long run total energy supply will keep growing, forever.
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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby rogerhb » Wed 01 Mar 2006, 21:05:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', 'T')here may be some plateaus and dips, but in the long run total energy supply will keep growing, forever.


Apart from that minor problem of "nothing lasts forever".
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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby The_Virginian » Wed 01 Mar 2006, 23:40:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Virginian', 'A')lso take notice despite his Websites name, his best post only DELAYS PO


Yes, delays it long enough to make the current crop of peak oilers like yourself look like a bunch of idiots.

In terms of the big picture, peak oil doesn't matter because we have many other sources of energy besides oil, and the total energy available to mankind will never terminally decline. There may be some plateaus and dips, but in the long run total energy supply will keep growing, forever.


So the Dreaded JD returns...

With promises INFINITE energy....

Boy, you must have Di-lithium recrystalizing in your cranium....I suggest you watch two episodes of Star Trek, and call Dr. Spock in the morning.
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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby Omnitir » Thu 02 Mar 2006, 01:00:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '
')Apart from that minor problem of "nothing lasts forever".

From the perspective of a single human life, which is but an instant compared to the lifespan of the Earth, which itself is an instant compared to the lifespan of the universe, worrying about nothing lasting forever is superfluous. In a few billion years we can start worrying about peak galaxy, but for the time being we can consider our available resources to be infinite.

Not to mention that energy cannot be destroyed.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Virginian', '
')I suggest you watch two episodes of Star Trek… blah

Live out any good Mad Max fantasies lately?
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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Thu 02 Mar 2006, 01:02:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')We haven't discovered anything fundamentally new in Physics that would help us with energy shortages for 80 years. Fermenting sewage into ethanol is not a new secret of the universe.

How about structuring carbon at the atomic level?

What do you mean by that and how does it help? If you are referring to stronger materials, this hs been a known theoretical possibility.

My point is, any "solutions" will be based on long known principles. New secrets of the universe are not discovered very often (like every few centuries).
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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby Omnitir » Thu 02 Mar 2006, 01:47:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')We haven't discovered anything fundamentally new in Physics that would help us with energy shortages for 80 years. Fermenting sewage into ethanol is not a new secret of the universe.

How about structuring carbon at the atomic level?

What do you mean by that and how does it help? If you are referring to stronger materials, this hs been a known theoretical possibility.


I’m talking about nanotech, in particular, carbon nanotech. This is a recent theory, a new technology, and an infant industry. Molecular engineering was first described in general by Richard Feynman in 1959, but nanotechnology as we think of it today was not developed until the 1980’s. It is a new area of physics.

Structuring carbon at the molecular level to create bucky balls, nano sheets and nano tubes has enormous ramifications in helping us with energy shortages. Structured carbon does not merely allow for materials hundreds of times stronger then steel, there are also a number of advantageous properties continuing to be discovered.

- Energy transmission; for example, powerlines without the considerable energy loss inherent in copper (plus an alternative to copper which many doomers claim is peaking soon).
- Ultra lightweight materials dramatically increasing energy efficiency in many applications (such as fuel consumption in cars)
- Energy storage; Improved battery cells and hydrogen storage capabilities
- Thermal conductivity applications
- Improved photovoltaic applications
- Improved I.T. applications

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')New secrets of the universe are not discovered very often (like every few centuries).

It may seem this way to some people, but it’s not true. New discoveries are made quite frequently. Pick up a copy of any science magazine, and you’ll likely find a selection of recent discoveries.
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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby Lokutus » Fri 03 Mar 2006, 00:41:05

Now JD has opened a can o' whuppass on Simmons!

He claims that Simmons is now backpedalling on PO:

Here's Matt Simmons from an interview with Barron's (Personal Wealth: Twilight for oil?), Jan. 30, 2006:

"The very best criticism — the most detailed and the best written — was called Another Day in the Desert and was written by a very highly regarded firm in Calgary. But where they went wrong was their assertion that my claim is Saudi Arabia's oil is about to go into a sudden and irreversible production collapse. That's wrong. The summary of my book is the myth that the oil fields could grow forever is false."

What a farce. You don't need to write a 448 page book to demonstrate that the oil fields can't grow forever. That's a common sense truism which everyone agrees with -- even extreme optimists like Mike Lynch and Peter Odell.


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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby wagdog » Sat 04 Mar 2006, 12:27:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RickTaylor', '
')Alright, his claim is based on the work of Dr. Benny Peiser. Hmmm, Dr., that sounds good. On the Faculty of Science at a University. Maybe this is a respectable argument he's making. Let's google Dr. Benny Peiser.

I found this link, and it actually seems pretty plausible.


That link and further googling should have revealed certain biases inherent in Peiser's objectivity in interpreting evidence especially when challenging anthropogenic causes of global warming. His posts suggest he is unaware that his anti-environmentalist agenda may have, at a subconscious level, distorted his view of raw data. This calls into question his selective use of evidence in his articles, especially when they appear in publications apparently devoted to rooting out environmentalist biases.

Anyway, peak oil doomers have many more examples from history other than Easter Island to rally around. The Sumerians for example which seems a better fit, until someone comes up with a debunking. But that's the trouble with mixing archeology and environmentalism -- without CSI levels of evidence gathering that leave absolutely no room for doubt, historians are forced to fill in the gaps with their own understanding of human behaviour influenced by modern day value systems.
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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby Omnitir » Sun 05 Mar 2006, 01:03:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', 'H')ow about structuring carbon at the atomic level?
You mean the nanoscam :-D Here. Take my nanomoney. Please invest it in the nanomarket for me so I can make a nanokilling and retire to a nanobeach in nanohawaii. I'll have a nanomaitai please. You stole my nanostapler :shock:

No, the real scam is this peak oil nonsense.
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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby The_Virginian » Sun 05 Mar 2006, 23:13:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', 'H')ow about structuring carbon at the atomic level?
You mean the nanoscam :-D Here. Take my nanomoney. Please invest it in the nanomarket for me so I can make a nanokilling and retire to a nanobeach in nanohawaii. I'll have a nanomaitai please. You stole my nanostapler :shock:

No, the real scam is this peak oil nonsense.


prove it.

so far all you have for energy is the hot stinkey breath from your lungs.
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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby Omnitir » Mon 06 Mar 2006, 08:39:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Virginian', '
')prove it.

You first.
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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby Kickinthegob » Mon 06 Mar 2006, 09:27:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', 'N')o, the real scam is this peak oil nonsense.

Hmmm. You seem to fall into the technology will fix it camp. Technology is not energy. I picture people like you hanging around on your computer posting to message boards thinking - holy shit, I am a God, I can do a GIS on nanotechnology! You want to see technology in action? Look at water and gas injection, deep sea oil drilling, tar sands. It is a desperate situation, you want to see desperate? The CIA who have been researching peak oil for more than 30 years are - with the current admin - in the process of securing oil reserves in the mideeast and lots of people are getting killed over it. Do you wanna go? I hear they are looking for people to help out over there, they will maybe even rig you up with some "nano" bullets and "nano" guns! While your dodging the suicide bombers you can yell at them how your nanotechnology is going to fix it soon and you won't be in their country for very much longer :twisted:
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Unread postby Keith_McClary » Thu 09 Mar 2006, 02:44:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')New secrets of the universe are not discovered very often (like every few centuries).

It may seem this way to some people, but it’s not true. New discoveries are made quite frequently. Pick up a copy of any science magazine, and you’ll likely find a selection of recent discoveries.

Perhaps something like this: " Imagine being able to heat your home and to generate electricity for your own use, with about five percent of the fuel input it now takes just to get warm.". Not with your puny nanotech but with Colliding Plasma Toroids.

(EDIT) My point is that some people believe in this sort of thing, or zero point energy, etc. Or they expect geologists will discover a hitherto unknown substance to replace oil& gas.:roll: I don't think you're one of these, but I wish you would be careful to phrase your views so as not to encourage such beliefs.

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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby Lokutus » Thu 23 Mar 2006, 02:16:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', 'W')hoever writes this blog must be the smartest man in history!

Today he's ripped Jared Diamond research on Easter Island to shreds. Link In earlier posts, he demolishes other alledged authorities in their fields.

This guy must have an IQ of 500 and Nobel Prizes in at least a dozen different scientific fields.

Seriously, does anyone know anything about him? Is he some auto-didactic crank who dropped out of school in the 9th grade?

Who the hell is he?


From the latest Salon article on Peak Oil:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')ake "J.D." (the only name he would give me), a 44-year-old American living in Japan who runs the blog Peak Oil Debunked.


Looks like the writer found the mysterious "JD's" reluctance to reveal his qualifications odd as well.
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Re: PeakOilDebunked blog

Unread postby 0mar » Thu 23 Mar 2006, 02:49:50

The thing to remember is that even a 1% drop in production will result in pretty big price flucations. Whenever demand outstrips supply, especially in a non-elastic commodity like oil, prices shoot up more than you would think.

For fucks sake, if you paid attention to the XBOX 360 situation, people were buying XBOX360s and turning around and selling them on EBAY for double or triple the buying price. This is because there was a shortage in the actual number of consoles available.
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