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Re: Hurricane Rita Oil and Natural Gas Infrastructure

Postby Harry » Wed 19 Oct 2005, 17:40:04

Hurricane Latest News: Rita News
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EIA Projects Speedier Recovery of Gulf Gas Infrastructure

Postby Graeme » Wed 07 Dec 2005, 04:28:03

EIA Projects Speedier Recovery of Gulf Gas Infrastructure

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Energy Information Administration in its Short-Term Energy Outlook for December projects a speedier recovery for hurricane-impaired Gulf of Mexico natural gas infrastructure, citing the innovative methods producers are employing to reroute their gas around damaged pipelines to reach working processing plants.
"The interconnectivity of the natural gas gathering system has helped speed the recovery of shut-in production as suppliers reroute gas flow around damaged pipelines to active processing

plants...Consequently, in this outlook we have accelerated the recovery of the natural gas supply system from our November outlook prediction. We now expect shut-in federal Gulf of Mexico natural gas production to fall to 0.66 Bcf/d (6.5% of pre-hurricane Gulf production) by March 2006," the statistical arm of the Department of Energy (DOE) said in its latest outlook, which was released Tuesday.

At the start of this month, an estimated 36% of federal Gulf of Mexico oil output (509,270 bbls/d) and 29% of federal Gulf of Mexico gas production (2.7 Bcf/d) remained shut in due to Hurricanes Katrina and Rita. Onshore Louisiana, about 40% of the state's oil and gas production remained offline, but it is projected to be fully restored by the end of March 2006, the EIA said.


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LA's aged oil derricks return to life

Postby SinisterBlueCat » Tue 13 Dec 2005, 16:51:06

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4520910.stm

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')There was a time when LA was better known for its oil wells than its movies: in the words of one expert, they ruined a perfectly good oil field by building a city on top of it.

And with property prices falling, some believe the day may come when people tear down houses in Hollywood in order to drill for oil.
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Re: LA's aged oil derricks return to life

Postby bruin » Tue 13 Dec 2005, 18:50:38

So how much oil is in Southern California?
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Re: LA's aged oil derricks return to life

Postby bruin » Tue 13 Dec 2005, 18:56:13

Answer to my own question:


The first year of commercial oil production in California was 1876.

California is the fourth largest oil-producing state in the United States.

During 2001, California’s crude-oil production totaled about 293.7 million barrels of oil, or about 800,000 barrels a day. This is about one-half of the state’s daily oil consumption.

About 48,507 oil and gas wells are currently producing in California.

The deepest active onshore oil well in California is 14,570 feet deep.

28 California counties produced oil and gas in 2001.

California has an estimated reserve of 3.4 billion barrels of recoverable crude oil.

Nearly eight times more water than oil is produced from California's oil and gas fields. In fact, the volume of water produced each year matches the freshwater needs of the City of San Francisco.

Since injection operations began in California in the 1940s, more than 70 billion barrels of produced water have been injected into oil and gas zones and other nonpotable aquifers without causing any known degradation of fresh waters.


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http://www.consrv.ca.gov/DOG/helpFaq.htm
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NYT article on Katrina, Rita damage to oil infrastructure

Postby Leanan » Wed 01 Mar 2006, 15:26:42

Divers Work the Gulf Floor to Undo What Hurricanes Did

A very sobering description of the massive damage the hurricanes did. A lot of production is still offline, some of it forever.
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Re: NYT article on Katrina, Rita damage to oil infrastructur

Postby nth » Wed 01 Mar 2006, 19:12:07

If we are going to have hurricanes every year and they do this much damage every year, should they bother?
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Re: NYT article on Katrina, Rita damage to oil infrastructur

Postby Leanan » Wed 01 Mar 2006, 19:22:34

They must be wondering that themselves:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')The storms cut a huge swath over the landscape," said Allen J. Verret, the president of the Offshore Operators Committee, an industry group. "We were still recovering from Hurricane Ivan when the terrible sisters came."
Now, he said, "we are all concerned by how long it takes to bring it all back up again."
Few will openly say so, but oil companies are racing against the clock. In less than four months, the next hurricane season kicks off.

Of course, as oil gets pricier, they'll keep going after it. Though they may have to build stronger infrastructure, which will of course raise prices even more...
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Re: NYT article on Katrina, Rita damage to oil infrastructur

Postby mekrob » Wed 01 Mar 2006, 19:40:06

I remember hearing the rebuttals from meterologists of how global warming isn't really responsible for the increased intensity and numbers of hurricanes in recent years. Instead, they go in 25 year cycles. Easy, then hard, then easy, etc, and that we just hit the hard cycle a few years ago. So ~20 years of this and many years of worse hurricanes? YAY.
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Re: NYT article on Katrina, Rita damage to oil infrastructur

Postby Leanan » Wed 01 Mar 2006, 20:22:30

Worse than that...the "natural cycle" story is viewed by many climatologists as a crock. Global warming is increasing hurricanes, at least in the Atlantic (which are the ones we're worried about). Both frequency and intensity. The Science of Deception
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')R Michael Mann: Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC); Penn State Department of Meteorology: "We were hearing operatives from the National Hurricane Center (NHC) repeating, as if on cue, the mantra that this was all just part of a "natural cycle" in the climate. Mind you, the peer-reviewed scientific literature was indicating just the opposite. But not a hint of that from the NHC folks. Nothing but certainty in their pronouncement that this was all part of a "natural cycle" (and thus, nothing to worry about). Surreal is the only way I can describe it."
Political hack tries to censor respected scientist
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')ames Hansen, NASA's chief climatologist and director of the Goddard Institute for Space Studies, had told reporters that he had been threatened by NASA administrators with "dire consequences" if he continued to speak out on the need to address the causes of global warming, and that Deutsch had specifically tried to prevent Hansen from being interviewed by National Public Radio, because the network is supposedly too "liberal." Deutsch also tried to require NASA contractors to inject "intelligent design" into discussions of cosmic origins, insisting that any mention of the universal "Big Bang" be accompanied by the word "theory."

It's not a natural cycle. It's global warming.
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Re: NYT article on Katrina, Rita damage to oil infrastructur

Postby LadyRuby » Wed 01 Mar 2006, 20:38:26

I remember how closely I (and many of us) was following Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath.

The DOE was saying that by January virtually everything would be on-line again. "Yeah, right," we said.

Frankly I'm surprised that things are chugging along pretty well oil-wise since then. Is it just because we're not at the peak driving season yet?
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Re: NYT article on Katrina, Rita damage to oil infrastructur

Postby rogerhb » Wed 01 Mar 2006, 20:50:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('LadyRuby', 'I')s it just because we're not at the peak driving season yet?

You have to laugh at the idea that the time that most oil is used is when people are on holiday (ie not actually earning or producing)
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Re: NYT article on Katrina, Rita damage to oil infrastructur

Postby Leanan » Wed 01 Mar 2006, 21:28:11

The world opened up their SPRs. Ours, Europe's, Japan's. Plus, high prices are causing demand destruction. Not so much here, but overseas. South America, Africa, Asia.

That could actually go one for quite some time. Poor farmers have no fuel or fertilizer in Kenya or Bangladesh. We gripe about paying more to fill up our SUVs.
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Re: NYT article on Katrina, Rita damage to oil infrastructur

Postby Magus » Thu 02 Mar 2006, 03:27:18


Thank you for those links. :-D There are still those in my family who don't believe that global warming is causing the hurricanes to strengthen. These articles should help me change their minds.
The world won't be able to open up their SPRs again this year, so there will be no help for the United States. So how long do you think the cities of the gulf coast will last? Not very long, I'd wager.
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Re: NYT article on Katrina, Rita damage to oil infrastructur

Postby nth » Thu 02 Mar 2006, 13:26:27

About Global warming:
Scientists think global warming will cause greater frequency and severity of hurricanes. This does not mean that hurricanes do not have cycles. Hurricanes do come in cycles, but scientists believed that this cycle will be stronger and more powerful than previous because of global warming.
Regarding SPR:
As for plenty of oil, the SPRs were barely used at all. Only a few million barrels and less than half of what was offered was used.
Regarding oil supply:
US has refinery constraints, but there are no refinery constraints if environmental laws are lifted and refineries can use lower quality oil or do less processing on lower quality oil. You add the fact that Europe has ample capacity to refine more fuel, which were delivered to US.
At no time in the past 3 years do we have lack of crude oil. On the contrary, several sour crude oil producers have a hard time selling their oil. They had to sell it at insane discounts, so most are not even at full production.
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Re: NYT article on Katrina, Rita damage to oil infrastructur

Postby AlCzervik » Thu 02 Mar 2006, 14:24:01

Interesting, Ruppert was pretty much on the mark last fall.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hen I asked the single most important question I had brought to the conference. “We know about the hurricane damage to refineries, to the terminals, and that we have lost 108 rigs in the Gulf. But what about the pipelines from rig to shore? If those are down, nothing else matters.”
As usual, Simmons showed no hesitation. “You know why you haven’t heard anything? Because they don’t have any idea. It’s hard to make a report when you don’t know anything. Unfortunately, there are some reports that say that the pipelines aren’t leaking. But so what? They’re not on. Nobody’s turned them on because they don’t know how extensive the damage is and they don’t know whether they’re going to start pumping oil and gas directly into the water.”
If Simmons is correct then that means that all US oil and natural gas production from the Gulf (except for the small portion transported by tanker) is still shut in and whether rigs are standing and refineries are working, as touted in the press, is irrelevant if there’s no way to get the product ashore.
Upon hearing what Simmons had told me, a retired production manager from the Gulf who spoke on condition of anonymity said, “He’s right but I can tell you that the pipeline damage is catastrophic and it’s going to take years to fix.”
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Re: NYT article on Katrina, Rita damage to oil infrastructur

Postby Leanan » Thu 02 Mar 2006, 14:47:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Hurricanes do come in cycles, but scientists believed that this cycle will be stronger and more powerful than previous because of global warming.

You might want to read this thread, if you haven't: Link
Climatologists have a lot more understanding of what is causing hurricanes now. The "natural cycle" theory was basically a fudge to deal with something they didn't have a mechanism for. Now they do have the mechanisms. It's still controversial, but my feeling is the climatologists have pretty much reached a consensus that there is no "natural cycle."
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s for plenty of oil, the SPRs were barely used at all. Only a few million barrels and less than half of what was offered was used.

Not quite true. About 11 million barrels were released from our own SPR, but we also imported millions of barrels of gasoline from Europe and Japan. We imported 35% more gasoline than usual after Katrina.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')S has refinery constraints, but there are no refinery constraints if environmental laws are lifted and refineries can use lower quality oil or do less processing on lower quality oil. You add the fact that Europe has ample capacity to refine more fuel, which were delivered to US.

Refinery constraints are not the problem. If they were, we would expect heavy, sour crude to be cheap. It's not. It's also near record highs, which suggests that refinery constraints are not the issue.
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Re: NYT article on Katrina, Rita damage to oil infrastructur

Postby nth » Thu 02 Mar 2006, 15:25:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', 'Y')ou might want to read this thread, if you haven't: Link
Climatologists have a lot more understanding of what is causing hurricanes now. The "natural cycle" theory was basically a fudge to deal with something they didn't have a mechanism for. Now they do have the mechanisms. It's still controversial, but my feeling is the climatologists have pretty much reached a consensus that there is no "natural cycle."

I am not an expert in this area nor do much reading, but I still many experts quote cycles. You can even look at historical data and see patterns.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ot quite true. About 11 million barrels were released from our own SPR, but we also imported millions of barrels of gasoline from Europe and Japan. We imported 35% more gasoline than usual after Katrina.

What does not quite true mean?
30mb of oil was available for US, yet less than half of that was withdrawn.
Gasoline and diesel regulations were relaxed to allow EU oil refineries to take up the slack- demonstrating amble refinery capacity in the world.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')efinery constraints are not the problem. If they were, we would expect heavy, sour crude to be cheap. It's not. It's also near record highs, which suggests that refinery constraints are not the issue.

Sour crude is cheap!
If you are going to compare in absolute terms, then it is paramount that OPEC and other non-OPEC members be allow to sell on market prices. Many producing nations that have gov't control production agreements have dictate prices based on differential, so you can only compare against differential pricing.
Refinery constraints are the problem. Mexico, Eucador, Saudi Arabia are the countries with biggest heavy, sour crude available on the market with no buyers due to price. If refineries were not a problem, they would buy these instead of sweet crude with astronomical prices.
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Re: NYT article on Katrina, Rita damage to oil infrastructur

Postby Leanan » Thu 02 Mar 2006, 16:37:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') am not an expert in this area nor do much reading, but I still many experts quote cycles. You can even look at historical data and see patterns.

Humans see patterns in everything, even when they do not exist. (The face on Mars, for example.) It's what our brains are designed to do.
The pattern I see in this graph is a general uptrend, with a lot of oscillation: Link
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '3')0mb of oil was available for US, yet less than half of that was withdrawn.

And a lot of gasoline was imported from the SPRs of Europe and Japan. What would have happened without those imports? They're a one-time deal, that have to be replaced.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')asoline and diesel regulations were relaxed to allow EU oil refineries to take up the slack- demonstrating amble refinery capacity in the world.

So you're saying refining capacity is not an issue? In that case, I agree.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')our crude is cheap!

No, it's not. It's cheaper than sweet crude, but it's not cheap by historical standards.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f refineries were not a problem, they would buy these instead of sweet crude with astronomical prices.
But you just said refineries were not the problem. I agree:
It's not a refinery issue
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Attempt upon oil infrastructure

Postby mekrob » Fri 15 Sep 2006, 11:34:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')our suicide attackers have been killed in Yemen attempting to blow up oil installations with bomb-laden cars, Yemen's interior ministry says.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he attacks also came just a few days after al-Qaeda number-two, Ayman al-Zawahiri, called on Islamic militants to target oil facilities in the Gulf region, the BBC's Heba Saleh says.

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First in February it was in Saudi Arabia, now a few months later in Yemen. It won't be a while until they are successful. When that happens...
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