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He enumerates several other breakpoints, such as the converstion from wood to coal, from whale oil to kerosene, and from coal to oil.
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Re: Peak oil on The Daily Show
by Starvid » Wed 15 Feb 2006, 19:19:17
The problem with that reasoning is that all earlier energy regime changes (biofuels-> coal-> oil) were demand driven. We changed because the new energy source was better and cheaper than the old one. Now we have to change because of supply, not demand. At least initially the new energy regime will not be as cheap/good as our current.
Another interesting thing is the fate of nuclear power. During the 50's and 60's nuclear power was going to be "too cheap to meter" and hence would usher in a new energy regime. But nuclear power wasn't cheaper than coal or oil, just cleaner. Not until the oil crisis when oil powered generation became too expensive did nuclear power take off. We see the same thing now in North Americas second nuclear dawn due to the regional peak gas.
Nuclear steps in and saves the day, but nuclear did not conquer the energy world on its own merits but on the flaws of others.
Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
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Re: Peak oil on The Daily Show
by Dezakin » Wed 15 Feb 2006, 19:19:52
UIUCstudent01:$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') was never expecting for Jon to be like, "It's the end of the American way of life." or anything 'crazy' like that.
PrairieMule:$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') watched it last night and again this morning. The guy seemed a little stiff and nervous. I thought they "softball"ed the situation, in fact it almost seemed like a puff piece. Maybe thats how the media plans to inform us, spoon feed us till we mature to handle solid food.
Probably because the 'situation' isnt nearly as dire as made out.
Economic adjustment with continuing growth and shifting to different technologies is on the menu for the 21st century is all. You can bet on that, and I certainly am.
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Re: Peak oil on The Daily Show
by Leanan » Wed 15 Feb 2006, 20:05:01
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he problem with that reasoning is that all earlier energy regime changes (biofuels-> coal-> oil) were demand driven. We changed because the new energy source was better and cheaper than the old one. Now we have to change because of supply, not demand. At least initially the new energy regime will not be as cheap/good as our current.
Exactly. I would also add that those transitions were not entirely smooth. Part of the transition from coal to oil was two world wars. Transitioning to a lower-quality energy source will likely be much rockier.
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