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Re: Jon Stewart DESTROYS McCain (again)

Unread postby mos6507 » Thu 11 Sep 2008, 11:41:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'A')m I just blind or does it seem to anyone else that 'modern' comedians are all lampooning just one side?

That's because the only real political debate we have in the US (that people pay attention to, not Meet the Press) is executed via comedians. What passes for political debate on talk radio and FoxNews is just right-wing propaganda.
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Re: Jon Stewart DESTROYS McCain (again)

Unread postby kam3Oen » Thu 11 Sep 2008, 12:40:32

Lots of talk, but in two months, it'll be John McCain standing on the podium giving his victory speech.
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Re: Jon Stewart DESTROYS McCain (again)

Unread postby dinopello » Thu 11 Sep 2008, 13:46:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'W')hat passes for political debate on talk radio and FoxNews is just right-wing propaganda.

I think that's true for those outlets, but there are many that try to be unbiased. The problem is that there is very little analysis of what people are saying and relating it to the actual record. They like to report on attacks from one side and responses from the other. I wish there was more of what Stewart does and it would be fine to have them do it for Democrats too, there are plenty of flips and flops on both sides. McCain is especially fertile ground for that though as he doesn't appear to even remember what he said on shows just months before or realize there is something called video tape.
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Re: Jon Stewart DESTROYS McCain (again)

Unread postby Denny » Thu 11 Sep 2008, 21:34:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'A')m I just blind or does it seem to anyone else that 'modern' comedians are all lampooning just one side?

I think the Republicans have made themselves into easy targets for comedians for a real long time, they are the modern day equivalent of the dodo bird. I have seen John Stewart and Jay Leno and all of them for that matter, dig into the Democrats too, but they have work harder to find good stuff. When you look at the likes of Dubya and Cheney and now McCain, its just easy picking.
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Re: Jon Stewart DESTROYS McCain (again)

Unread postby 3aidlillahi » Thu 11 Sep 2008, 21:57:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Denny', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'A')m I just blind or does it seem to anyone else that 'modern' comedians are all lampooning just one side?
I think the Republicans have made themselves into easy targets for comedians for a real long time, they are the modern day equivalent of the dodo bird. I have seen John Stewart and Jay Leno and all of them for that matter, dig into the Democrats too, but they have work harder to find good stuff. When you look at the likes of Dubya and Cheney and now McCain, its just easy picking.

Not to mention that over the past 8 years, the GOP has controlled large amounts of the political scene. So it's not surprising that they'd be making more mistakes than the Dems.

As for Obama being attacked less than McCain, it's because you can't attack his record because it barely exists. But he does get attacked, or at least the portrayal of him in the media does. I remember back in 2004 when he made his speech, Stewart and his crew were mocking him as the "Messiah", long before it became popular on talk radio.
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Re: Jon Stewart DESTROYS McCain (again)

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 12 Sep 2008, 09:06:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', ' ') What passes for political debate on talk radio and FoxNews is just right-wing propaganda.

Not all talk radio is right-wing. About 90% is because of the ownership of so many stations by ClearChannel and others of that nature. You can get left-wing propaganda on AirAmerica and affiliates. link
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Re: Jon Stewart DESTROYS McCain (again)

Unread postby Stratovarius » Fri 12 Sep 2008, 09:12:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', ' ') What passes for political debate on talk radio and FoxNews is just right-wing propaganda.
Not all talk radio is right-wing. About 90% is because of the ownership of so many stations by ClearChannel and others of that nature. You can get left-wing propaganda on AirAmerica and affiliates. link

90% sounds like a lot...to where I'd pretty much say radio stations are dominated by one side.
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Re: Jon Stewart DESTROYS McCain (again)

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 12 Sep 2008, 09:13:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stratovarius', '9')0% sounds like a lot...to where I'd pretty much say radio stations are dominated by one side.

Yep, it's a fact that most talk radio is right-wing.
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Re: Jon Stewart DESTROYS McCain (again)

Unread postby Roccland » Fri 12 Sep 2008, 09:17:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stratovarius', '9')0% sounds like a lot...to where I'd pretty much say radio stations are dominated by one side.
Yep, it's a fact that most talk radio is right-wing.

That includes DNow! and BMoyer.
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jon stewart vs jim cramer

Unread postby phaster » Sun 15 Mar 2009, 19:37:04

anyone else watch the battle of cable TV show hosts, in other words jon stewart vs jim cramer?

Personally I thought it was great because it contained the interminable spirit of the USA. By this I mean it shown the concept of checks and balances is ingrained in diverse institutions working within the system!

There always has been a battle for hearts and minds, so I really admire a self-proclaimed comedy fake news program when it illuminates the past sins of so a called financial news network.

In general my thoughts are wow that various prominent participants are acknowledging misconceptions and past mistakes regarding the economic clusterfuck (i.e. greenspan, cramer, etc.), people and societies all over the world will go thru a similar catharsis, but its a necessary first step in the long healing process...
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Re: jon stewart vs jim cramer

Unread postby nobodypanic » Sun 15 Mar 2009, 20:03:21

healing process? whoa there, i think we're getting wayyyy ahead of ourselves.

i don't see a healing process--i see the farce of disintegration: satirical fake-journalists tackling real issues, whilst the so-called serious or 'real' journalists simply carry on a grand, stupid comedy.

such an inversion speaks volumes: confidence in the very legitmacy of the System, or at least the credibility of its propaganda arm, is evaporating in the common psyche.
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Re: jon stewart vs jim cramer

Unread postby Novus » Sun 15 Mar 2009, 20:24:51

This was the most significant interview in the last decade. They had Jim Cramer admitting the financial industry is a large scale scam. The idea of the 401k as ponsi scheme instead of investment. Hedge fund corporations like AIG was in bed with Madoff economics gone Mad.

This very well could be the paradigm turning point where things that were only discussed only in the dark corners of the internet are talked about openly.
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Re: jon stewart vs jim cramer

Unread postby Micki » Sun 15 Mar 2009, 21:40:56

Strange times indeed.
The chef is the white collar criminal, the hedgefund manager/financial commentator appears on baking shows and you have to go to the commedy channel for sane financial commentary.
Here's the link by the way;
http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episod ... eId=220533
What is quite interesting is that Cramer pretty much acknowledges that finacial media is about making entertaining TV not deep analysis or investigative reporting.

The follow up on dailyshow is also entertaining.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index ... oId=220510
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Re: jon stewart vs jim cramer

Unread postby TheAntiDoomer » Sun 15 Mar 2009, 23:16:56

"America: stick a fork up it's ass and turn it over. It's done." *

The only thing done is you making any logical rational statements. You keep cowering behind the redwood curtain while us grownups go build a better, greener, more advanced, technological civilization.
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Re: jon stewart vs jim cramer

Unread postby ubercrap » Mon 16 Mar 2009, 08:59:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'C')ramer came off as a whimpering cowed little boy caught with his hand in the cookie jar. He promised to be a good boy in the future.

That Stewart, a professional comedian, displays more gravitas than Cramer, a financial adviser, tells you everything you need to know about the our country We are ethically and morally, as well as financially bankrupt.

"America: stick a fork up it's ass and turn it over. It's done." *

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Hmmm, I may be missing the subtleties of the tone of your message, but comedy is serious business in a way- much harder to fake or rig than financials. There's no system to hide behind- just the comedian's words and your mind. The intelligence, insight, and skepticism needed to be really funny enable one to see through various types of BS-be it bureaucracy, rigged systems, or Emperor's new clothes delusions- and expose hypocrisy, unfairness, and generally question social constructs. I say from whom else but a professional comedian are we going to comfortably hear that our "system" is broken? A comedian touches on things we might feel vaguely, and sets up the information in a provocative way that organizes and disarms your normal "filters" to really get to the point. People respect Jon Stewart because he will do these things- they know he is going to "tell it like it is". This is his meal ticket and it is highly unlikely he would compromise his reputation for that reason. That is why he gets more respect than a manipulating "sellout" BS artist like Cramer. So, in conclusion, I don't see it as a sign the country has gone downhill, but quite the opposite, it gives me hope for the future of the country. Maybe we can make more of an honest system where we produce and consume in a balanced, straightforward manner- away from this delusional, rigged, BS economy that Cramer represents. Integrity- what a concept!
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The Daily Show on organic gardening

Unread postby cualcrees » Fri 15 May 2009, 12:01:13

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