[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'A')mericanEmpire, please stop openly advocating suicide.

First off, it makes you look like a whiny, defeatest individual.

Secondly, you risk breaking the Code of Conduct by suggesting that we commit an illegal act.

Lastly, you are really starting to irrate people.

Just a friendly word of caution.

(the same could be said about Heineken, etc.)

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'A')mericanEmpire, please stop openly advocating suicide.

First off, it makes you look like a whiny, defeatest individual.

Secondly, you risk breaking the Code of Conduct by suggesting that we commit an illegal act.

Lastly, you are really starting to irrate people.

Just a friendly word of caution.

(the same could be said about Heineken, etc.)

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('crow', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('crapattack', 'R')onNM said:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') stand by what i said on page 1...grow up you fucking yellow cowardly bastards! Quit glorifying suicide!

[RonMN]

Crow,

You said so elloquintly: If you value human dignity with the number of toes you have, or your ability to obtain food or fancy cars, if you value human dignity with pleasure on demand and the avoidance of pain and anything similar to this, then suicide will be acceptable.

If you value human whims and wants above human needs and life itself, nothing that can be said to you will ever convince you of the value of every human life, nor that suicide is not a valid option.


I just don't always have the patience or the words...but you really nailed it there!

[RonMN]

To all you Pro-suicidal bastards,

Have you considered answering one question?.. Because your Friends, bothers, sisters, moms & dads are going to be asking this one question...

WHY?

In you selfishness & self pitty...did you bother to leave a note? Did you trouble yourself to explain WHY you off'd yourself? Or were to too #$%^ing selfish for even that little bit?

[crapattack]

Crow wrote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Suicide is the destruction of a human life, which, granted might not want to live any longer, but it remains the destruction of a human life. i believe in the sanctity of a human being..

[AmericanEmpire]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')id you trouble yourself to explain WHY you off'd yourself? Or were to too #$%^ing selfish for even that little bit?

[Raxozanne]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AmericanEmpire', '
')
To hell with my parents. It pisses me off that they didn't see what was comming and decided to have children when we are facing the problems of overshoot and resource depletion. Their generation had the 70's gas crises and Limits to Growth study and didn't heed the warnings. Just kept on keeping on.

I'm facing a life of unending hardship and misery while they lived a life of luxury. Always employed, had a nice house, got to retire. I'll never get to experience that. And it pisses me off.

[coyote]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('crow', 'I')f you value human dignity with the number of toes you have, or your ability to obtain food or fancy cars, if you value human dignity with pleasure on demand and the avoidance of pain and anything similar to this, then suicide will be acceptable.

...If you believe that suicide is a genuine, viable option, then what value do you put on your own life? Obviously not much...

[crapattack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')hannymara wrote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')crapattack wrote:
d) If it is only God who can decide when we die then it follows that if we choose to die by suicide we are acting out the will of god.

[crow]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coyote', '
')
[snip]


I think you and Ron are missing the point pretty completely. Nobody's glorifying suicide, or saying that suicide is a wonderful thing or that human life is valueless.

[snip]

[crow]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('crapattack', 'C')row wrote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Suicide is the destruction of a human life, which, granted might not want to live any longer, but it remains the destruction of a human life. i believe in the sanctity of a human being..

[Tyler_JC]

Apparently my comments have stirred up a negative backlash. It's not really any of my business what you people do with yourselves. I'm not a cop or a snoop or a prude or whatever I've been labeled.

Based on some personal things I can't give a fair moderation of this thread and I was simply envoking a personal emotional response to the topic. As such, I will no longer be following this thread.

So please stop bringing me up to justify your "arguements" or point of view. I don't want to be dragged into a flame war.

Regards,

Tyler_JC

[crapattack]

Crow:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ay I suggest Anselm of Cantebury "DeCasuDiaboli' and "DeLaLiberte" as a pretty good starting point? A little heavy reading but the contents of those brief books refute very clearly and thoroughly your 'logical' reasoning above.

[backstop]

Notice to all posters.

This issue is patently one directly of life & death, and so warrants special care when posting.

After the Vietnam war over 100,000 veterans took their own lives, which was a tradgedy on a massive scale.

This site will not accomodate posts that in any way encourage the repeat of that tradgedy.

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Those under the delusion that this (or any) site offers an absolute right of free speech are advised to read the Code of Conduct and the Terms of Use.


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Regards,

Backstop, Senior Moderator

[jimk]

There are two big transformations that we can get preoccupied with: some kind of apocalyptic world change, and our own death. The odd thing is that both of these are distractions, ways of avoiding what is in front of us, what we really need to take care of.

We and the world are both constantly changing, and we actually have huge power to control where things go. What is really hard is the feeling of being out of control. We think that the present situation doesn't give us any control, so we get all preoccupied by some possible future other situation where maybe we really can have some control. But this is an illusion, and worse, a trap. In whatever situation we find ourselves, if we don't just confront what is in front of us and deal with it, we will thereby have abdicated control. So our preoccupation with some future transformation that will give us control, is exactly the trap that keeps us from having any control.

So the real trick is to just pick up the reins here and now and stop dreaming about some other world. The path to happiness is in working with the world as it is right here.

Personally, I have found the Buddhist tradition to be especially powerful and on target. The writings of Thich Nhat Hanh are generally a good starting point, e.g. Being Peace. Taking control of the world generally starts with gettting some kind of handle on one's own mind. There are many simple and powerful meditation techniques that can really help one find the most essential control levers and switches.

I think this is a problem with the whole doomsday flavor of many peakists. Folks somehow expect trumpets to sound from the skies announcing a new world. There will be no new world, just the same old world. Sure, folks won't be flying to Hawai'i every winter or getting apples in winter from the other hemisphere, but those are very strange aberrations.

Another great book is Wisdom of No Escape by Pema Chodron. Running away is the motor that drives the cycle of misery. Turning around and facing the situation with curiosity and care, that changes everything.