[gs]

are there any communities (villages,cities) who are planning to strictly isolate themselves in case of a pandemic ? Are there people here, who are interested to join such a community ?

[Heineken]

I think you'd have to be crazy to isolate yourself in such a "community." You then become a target for all sorts of externally imposed controls, including perhaps a target for extermination. I'd rather isolate myself as much as possible on my own place and keep under the radar.

[kevincarter]

Well, what they did during the last big pandemic over here (black pest 1.348, 20 million dead) was to isolate entire infected towns and burn them down. That is you don’t decide to isolate yourself, they decide to isolate you. In the case of such pandemic I think it’s just better to run to the hills at the first chance. A community will decide that it has to hermetically isolate from the rest when is too late, and there are always come backs of the pandemic, go to the hills is safer there.

[gs]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'I') think you'd have to be crazy to isolate yourself in such a "community." You then become a target for all sorts of externally imposed controls, including perhaps a target for extermination. I'd rather isolate myself as much as possible on my own place and keep under the radar.

[gs]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kevincarter', 'W')ell, what they did during the last big pandemic over here (black pest 1.348, 20 million dead) was to isolate entire infected towns and burn them down. That is you don’t decide to isolate yourself, they decide to isolate you. In the case of such pandemic I think it’s just better to run to the hills at the first chance. A community will decide that it has to hermetically isolate from the rest when is too late, and there are always come backs of the pandemic, go to the hills is safer there.

[Hermes]

Being in a community that isolates itself would also potentially help keep out GM crops, and preserve food for future generations.

[gs]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hermes', 'B')eing in a community that isolates itself would also potentially help keep out GM crops, and preserve food for future generations.

[gg3]

My community planning group (northern California) plans to self-quarantine or self-isolate during the likely avian flu pandemic. This is hardly as difficult, or as paranoid, as it sounds: just stay in the community for a couple of months each time a wave of flu is underway. All it takes is six months to a year of supplies and savings for essential external costs such as telecom.

Members of the Latter Day Saints' Church (Mormons) are supposed to keep a year's worth of supplies and many do just that. If it works for LDS members, it can work for a diverse group such as ours. This is not rocket science.

I don't foresee significant self-defense issues for a small intentional community being any different for pandemic flu than under other emergency conditions. In fact it's less likely that a pandemic will give rise to marauding hoardes than something far more prosaic such as a severe earthquake.

And I really do wish folks here (Heinekin that means you, among others) would stop with this paranoia about anyone who is "different" being targeted for concentration camps and suchlike. It doesn't wash and it does make us all out to look like a bunch of stark raving loonies.

[Heineken]

Sorry gg3, but I think it's very foolish to voluntarily deliver yourself in any way into the hands of the government. I don't trust the government to do what is in the best interest of me or my family, and neither should you. If you declare that you are "self-isolated," who can possibly say what the government's reaction might be? A deadly pandemic could provoke unpredictable, draconian measures. Chaos and panic are likely to be the driving factors, and in situations like that the best strategy is not to draw attention to yourself.

[TommyJefferson]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gg3', 'A')nd I really do wish folks here (Heinekin that means you, among others) would stop with this paranoia about anyone who is "different" being targeted for concentration camps and suchlike. It doesn't wash and it does make us all out to look like a bunch of stark raving loonies.

[highlander]

Isolation cuts both ways. If someone with sinister plans (weaponized biological agents) wants to see how it works, what better test than an "isolated community" It also would indicate how the rest of the population reacts to outbreaks in these isolated communities.

BTW, last week I talked to my sister, a missionary aid in Mexico. She visited an isolated community, Mennonite, and they had a problem with their chickens dying. they also had not heard of bird flu. My paranoia radar went off. Of course we know no one is cloning or experimenting with the bird flu virus

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gg3', 'A')nd I really do wish folks here (Heinekin that means you, among others) would stop with this paranoia about anyone who is "different" being targeted for concentration camps and suchlike. It doesn't wash and it does make us all out to look like a bunch of stark raving loonies.

[gg3]

Heinekin you just proved my point for me. The people who tried to stay in New Orleans got herded into the Superdome. Those who got out early, didn't.
Re. small intentional communities doing self-isolation: FEMA et. al. (as well as your routine wandering thieves etc.) have no time to go looking up every rural driveway with an old gate (secured by rusty chain and padlock) and a faded "no trespassing" sign. You underestimate my capabilities in the area of security.

[Heineken]

Perhaps I proved your point, but you don't understand mine, which is for the individual to avoid, during an epidemic, hitching his star to a "herd" of any sort.

[gs]

hi gg3, lots of questions: how did you find that group ? Are you open for new members? Is there a list of such groups ? Are you in contact with other groups? When do your members enter, immediately or when the pandemic is imminent ?

Do you have medical services,electricity,water? Workers who go to work outside or come from outside each day? Desinfecting stations, quarantine-homes for newcomers? How do you protect the borders? How do you desinfect incoming goods ?

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gs', 'h')i gg3, lots of questions...

[gs]

the idea is primarily to prevent the virus from entering the community. And also, should it enter -you can never be 100% sure-,
to isolate inside the community as good as possible. We assume that a pandemic would start in Asia and that there
will be probably some weeks to close the community.

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gs', 'A')nd also, should it enter -you can never be 100% sure-,to isolate inside the community as good as possible.

[gs]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gs', 'A')nd also, should it enter -you can never be 100% sure-,to isolate inside the community as good as possible.

[Heineken]

In a serious pandemic in the US, what will actually happen is panic and chaos and social breakdown. Plans will fall apart, even if there are any, as unexpected rips appear in the landscape. It will be Katrina again, only worse and on a much larger scale. The only strategy that makes sense to me is to attempt to isolate yourself individually or as a family, preferably on a country place. You will want to get and stay away from ALL PEOPLE until the danger passes.