[PenultimateManStanding]

What's going on, smallpoxgirl? Any insights as to why our medical system is imploding?

[Specop_007]

The only thing you should be gagging on it Brazilian nipples and your morning Metimucel.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', ' ')Metimucel.

[Eli]

I can tell you why it is because people do not make enough cash as Primary Care Doctors. It is capitalism, that is all nothing more.

Med students don't like the idea of busting their ass for 150K a year job with high stress. So they go into sub-specialties that pay a whole lot better, friggin radiologist sit around and look at x-rays and get paid 279k for doin it.

Go the extra mile while in med-school and you could be an ophthalmologist who presses a button on a laser and make 1000 every time you do it.

Or become an Orthopedic surgeon and make well north of 300k.

There is real trouble too in fields like OB. Some soccer mom's babby dies (shit happens) and it ends up being a payday for some cheap sleaze stack attorney. The State of Oklahoma has nearly run off all there OB's because their malpractices insurance has gotten so high.

There are lots of Doctors out there but they are highly specialized, it has been one of the benifits of our modern age.

[PenultimateManStanding]

Jeez, sorry Carrie, looks like I stole your thread! It was just a chance at payback to settle an old score with NevadaGhost. He accused me of being a pointy-headed intellekshual. It went something like this: will all pointy-heads please stand up. (a play on my user name) Please post all references to the doctor shortage in Carrie's thread, thank you!

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', ' ')Metimucel.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', ' ')Metimucel.

[Daculling]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', '
')There is real trouble too in fields like OB. Some soccer mom's babby dies (shit happens) and it ends up being a payday for some cheap sleaze stack attorney. The State of Oklahoma has nearly run off all there OB's because their malpractices insurance has gotten so high.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daculling', '
')And don't forget, they backdoor draft the old doctors... when you retire you have to keep your malpractice up for some period of time (10 years here I think). Lots of docs put off retirement long after they want to stop working because it would ruin them financially.

[frankthetank]

The price of entrance isn't cheap.

A girl/friend of mine is currently attending school to become a Podiatrist. She already has a 4yr bachelor degree (biology major) from UW school and still has many years ahead of her. Thankfully her parents are very supportive and i think pay for most if not all of it. She did make the comment around Christmas that a lot of students were dropping out lately.

[Daculling]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'Q'): if a doctor keeps working for ten more years, why wouldn't he/she still have the same problem of being liable for malpractice and still have to keep working until they die to make the insurance payments?

[AmericanEmpire]

Does it all really matter if the health care system implodes are not with peak oil upon us anyway? High tech medicine is a product of the oil age and its going away. There won't be any high tech doctors in the stone age.

Thats gonna be one of the least of our worries. Do you think any of us average Joes are gonna be able to aford to see a doctor when nobody has jobs?

Anyway, its all just another sign that the western world is about to fall to pieces.

[PrairieMule]

AE has a point, if modern medicine goes away we will go back to Incence, herbs, needles, chimes and chants. That should give the lawyers easy pickins going after the alternative healers and herbalists in court.

WARNING TO MEN: I think most PPO plans and spouses might universally reject medical claims for brazillian nipple thearpy to treat your migraines or carpal tunnel syndrome.

[holmes]

I see it as a result of the new world feeding frenzy. Everyones wants and desires are crushing everything around them. Now when someone truly NEEDS things its not going to be there.Its like using our dwindling stocks of oil to produce box stores full of pure shit. now when we NEED that oil to produce NEEDS and utilitarian products it wont be there. thus an insane loony situation we find oursleves in. more cash from increaisng taxes will be thrown into more programs. the death spiral has only just begun.
irresponsibility and abuse.
Its like the environment. ruin it then turn around and spend billions and billions to restore it. weirdo sicko dysfunction in this mentality. this carries over to many aspects of the culture.
and environment has been setup where the stupid and weak have a decided edge in outcompeting the strong, responsible and intelligent.
carte blanche.
the sick, greedy and stupid can not run a country in perpetuity.

[PrairieMule]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'I') see it as a result of the new world feeding frenzy. Everyones wants and desires are crushing everything around them. Now when someone truly NEEDS things its not going to be there.Its like using our dwindling stocks of oil to produce box stores full of pure shit. now when we NEED that oil to produce NEEDS and utilitarian products it wont be there. thus an insane loony situation we find oursleves in. more cash from increaisng taxes will be thrown into more programs. the death spiral has only just begun.
irresponsibility and abuse.
Its like the environment. ruin it then turn around and spend billions and billions to restore it. weirdo sicko dysfunction in this mentality. this carries over to many aspects of the culture.
and environment has been setup where the stupid and weak have a decided edge in outcompeting the strong, responsible and intelligent.
carte blanche.
the sick, greedy and stupid can not run a country in perpetuity.

[The_Virginian]

blah blah blah

we need to import cheaper doctors

we need socialized medical care along with the confusingly subsidized meds..


blah blah blah, da da da

[AmericanEmpire]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'n')ow when we NEED that oil to produce NEEDS and utilitarian products it wont be there. thus an insane loony situation we find oursleves in

[holmes]

Oh well all get it. U can count on it. Hehe.
as they said in the Sopranos last night.
"I want this cocksucker to bleed from his ass."
thats the agenda today. and who do u think is ordering it?
Mentally disturbed and detached individuals.
Can u imagine multiculturalists are controlling our lives.
LOL.
christ.

[grabby]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Someone said', ' ')Q: if a doctor keeps working for ten more years, why wouldn't he/she still have the same problem of being liable for malpractice and still have to keep working until they die to make the insurance payments? Then wouldn't their children be liable?

[PenultimateManStanding]

ha ha! freaking lawyers. I moonlight as a delivery driver and once a lawyer threatened to sue me and the girl on the phone who took the order and the owner of the restaraunt because his food was late. What a churlish creep. I pissed him off because he said he wouldn't pay for the food. I said I had to call the restaraunt and at first he wouldn't get a phone but just bad-mouthed me instead. I talked him in to getting a phone. So he hands me the phone and starts bad-mouthing me some more. So I asked him, real polite-like, to take the phone back "for a second". He looked puzzled but took the phone. Then I turned around and walked back to my car without saying a word (taking the delicious food with me). He followed me and screamed "you're lucky to have a fucking job! blah blah blah" He tried to get me fired. I'm still working there and he hasn't called back or sued. Lawyers.