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The 4 biggest oil fields in the world are in decline

Unread postby Starvid » Fri 27 Jan 2006, 09:48:59

The 4 biggest oil fields in the world are in decline

Just to remind you of the current situation.
Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
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Re: The 4 biggest oil fields in the world are in decline

Unread postby Armageddon » Fri 27 Jan 2006, 10:08:47

ghawar may not be in decline yet, but i would bet that it has reached peak.
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Re: The 4 biggest oil fields in the world are in decline

Unread postby OilBurner » Fri 27 Jan 2006, 10:45:29

Yep - I'm hearing alarm bells loud and clear now!
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Re: The 4 biggest oil fields in the world are in decline

Unread postby thor » Fri 27 Jan 2006, 11:53:46

Let's face it, we are peaking.
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Re: The 4 biggest oil fields in the world are in decline

Unread postby jato » Fri 27 Jan 2006, 13:23:48

Just wait until the decline kicks in! :? This party is only getting started!
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Re: The 4 biggest oil fields in the world are in decline

Unread postby Starvid » Fri 27 Jan 2006, 13:35:14

Ghawar is still a wildcard. We don't really have any idea if it has peaked, if peak is imminent or far away.
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Re: The 4 biggest oil fields in the world are in decline

Unread postby TorrKing » Fri 27 Jan 2006, 14:30:36

Starvid

But you still think that nuclear power and renewables is going to save our civilisation? Or are you a doomer reborn? :lol:

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Re: The 4 biggest oil fields in the world are in decline

Unread postby Revi » Fri 27 Jan 2006, 15:04:35

It looks very bad. I wonder why the people who are in power are doing nothing about it. They may not want to get everybody so excited that they expect them to do something.
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Re: The 4 biggest oil fields in the world are in decline

Unread postby Kingcoal » Fri 27 Jan 2006, 15:08:01

From all my research, there is no doubt in my mind that we are at peak for conventional light sweet crude. Tar sands anyone?
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Re: The 4 biggest oil fields in the world are in decline

Unread postby Starvid » Fri 27 Jan 2006, 15:32:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Torjus', 'S')tarvid

But you still think that nuclear power and renewables is going to save our civilisation? Or are you a doomer reborn? :lol:

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Nuclear power and renewables are not primarily to deal with peak oil but with global warming.

Peak oil is a liquid fuel crisis that primarily will affect transportation. Of course, everything else depend on transportation. But there are good alternatives there too.

I think we will live in interesting times.
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Re: The 4 biggest oil fields in the world are in decline

Unread postby eastbay » Fri 27 Jan 2006, 15:45:18

Revi,

Actually a few governments are starting to do a few things to mitigate the negative economic ramifications of the situation. We read of Sweden and Italy taking a few steps. And don't forget Europe in general add so much tax to gasoline demand is artificially reduced significantly. If the US, China, Canada and India (and others who are busily squandering away the remaining oil by igniting it in cars) charged $7.00/gallon it would allow more time. However, time for what exactly, I do not know.

However, the big users such as the US, China, India, Japan, Canada and the other biggest energy wasters are seemingly planning diligently for a future that cannot possibly exist, and that is really strange. But I suppose we must understand that oftentimes government action (or inaction) is in response to public demand, and since the majority of the public in the countries doing the most serious gluttony are in the dark or denial about peak oil the world's government's responses are predictable.
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Re: The 4 biggest oil fields in the world are in decline

Unread postby shortonoil » Fri 27 Jan 2006, 16:48:54

eastbay said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')owever, the big users such as the US, China, India, Japan, Canada and the other biggest energy wasters are seemingly planning diligently for a future that cannot possibly exist, and that is really strange. But I suppose we must understand that oftentimes government action (or inaction) is in response to public demand, and since the majority of the public in the countries doing the most serious gluttony are in the dark or denial about peak oil the world's government's responses are predictable.


What does a politician tell a populous about a problem that they know they can’t solve. The best way to stay in office is to say nothing, which is exactly what we are witnessing. The news media, which is almost totally controlled by four corporations, is also doing their duty by graciously saying nothing. We have a population, which for the most part, have very limited analytical skills and the curiosity level of a fruit fly. Most people just stumble through life mimicking someone else and consequently the concept of objective analysis never really occurs to them. They don’t believe they are qualified to make significant decisions, so they bumble through life believing that “they will do something”. Who are we to deflate their happy balloon by telling them that there is a problem and that “they” don’t have an answer. Just remember to stay out of the way of the stampeding herd when the balloon pops!
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Re: The 4 biggest oil fields in the world are in decline

Unread postby Falconoffury » Fri 27 Jan 2006, 17:18:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ost people just stumble through life mimicking someone else and consequently the concept of objective analysis never really occurs to them.


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Re: The 4 biggest oil fields in the world are in decline

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Fri 27 Jan 2006, 17:26:14

short,

"They don’t believe they are qualified to make significant decisions, so they bumble through life believing that “they will do something”. Who are we to deflate their happy balloon by telling them that there is a problem and that “they” don’t have an answer. Just remember to stay out of the way of the stampeding herd when the balloon pops!"

I know it sounds really arrogant but its something Im finding more and more to be true. Staying out of the way of the stampede is going to be very very difficult I'm afraid.
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Re: The 4 biggest oil fields in the world are in decline

Unread postby Wallygator » Sun 29 Jan 2006, 10:31:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'I')f the US, China, Canada and India (and others who are busily squandering away the remaining oil by igniting it in cars) charged $7.00/gallon it would allow more time...

...the majority of the public in the countries doing the most serious gluttony are in the dark or denial about peak oil the world's government's responses are predictable.


If fuel does increase that much then it will for sure create the need for public transportation which we sorely need. Yes, I do understand that there are trains and buses already. However we need to create the 'culture' of public transportation.

I recently started to speak about PO to my girlfriend. She knows that it'll sooner or later happen but she doesn't want to delve into this topic. She says "Why should I suffer when there's nothing I can do about it?" Her response was predictable.
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Re: The 4 biggest oil fields in the world are in decline

Unread postby dukey » Sun 29 Jan 2006, 13:36:26

matt simmons had quite an interesting opinion on ghawar
yes it was true that we are unsure if its actually peaked
but it is quite clear that the field can probably increase production somewhat, but this can definitely not be sustained and will likely damage the field. Its probably to say it is at peak .. maybe just platauing for a while
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Re: The 4 biggest oil fields in the world are in decline

Unread postby gebregebremarian » Sun 29 Jan 2006, 13:47:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', '
')What does a politician tell a populous about a problem that they know they can’t solve. The best way to stay in office is to say nothing, which is exactly what we are witnessing. The news media, which is almost totally controlled by four corporations, is also doing their duty by graciously saying nothing. We have a population, which for the most part, have very limited analytical skills and the curiosity level of a fruit fly. Most people just stumble through life mimicking someone else and consequently the concept of objective analysis never really occurs to them. They don’t believe they are qualified to make significant decisions, so they bumble through life believing that “they will do something”. Who are we to deflate their happy balloon by telling them that there is a problem and that “they” don’t have an answer. Just remember to stay out of the way of the stampeding herd when the balloon pops!


Bingo.

Even if Ghawar can spew out several million more barrels a day, doesn't really matter in the long pull. I'm with thor here, we're peaking as we're speaking.
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Re: The 4 biggest oil fields in the world are in decline

Unread postby thor » Sun 29 Jan 2006, 18:53:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gebregebremarian', ' ')Even if Ghawar can spew out several million more barrels a day, doesn't really matter in the long pull. I'm with thor here, we're peaking as we're speaking.


We are at the plateau as we go. :)
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Re: The 4 biggest oil fields in the world are in decline

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Mon 30 Jan 2006, 10:02:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wallygator', 'I') recently started to speak about PO to my girlfriend. She knows that it'll sooner or later happen but she doesn't want to delve into this topic. She says "Why should I suffer when there's nothing I can do about it?" Her response was predictable.


She has a point.
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Re: The 4 biggest oil fields in the world are in decline

Unread postby Revi » Mon 30 Jan 2006, 15:44:18

There's plenty you can do about it. Make your lifestyle peak oil friendly. Move close to work. Buy a little house with a garden. Install solar hot water panels. Get a woodstove. If you have the means, buy a woodlot, or even an extra lot in town to grow a garden in. Ride a bicycle. Recycle. Compost your kitchen scraps. Don't spend much money on gasoline burners. Shrink your present car. Insulate. There's lots you can do. All that's left is the doing of it. We are doing it and it's working out very well.
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