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No Knockout Punch--Again

Unread postby Lokutus » Fri 13 Jan 2006, 13:12:45

Look, I know that Corsi was talking bullshit last night.

"Well, my grandma didn't turn into oil after we buried her?"

[Does he dig her body up every year to check? :)]

But the debate went the way of all debates that I have heard.

The PO dude never delivers the knockout blow.

It always ends as a he said/she said affair with probably no one in the audience changing their minds.

It's frustrating when you see someone like Corsi bullshit for 3 hours and come out on top 62/38.

Shite.
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Re: No Knockout Punch--Again

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 13 Jan 2006, 13:34:06

I heard Ruppert on a Las Vegas christian radio station a few months ago. He let the conversation get sidetracked then, too. Not a powerful debater, that Ruppert. Savinar was better but even he fell into the traps set by Richard Hoagland.
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Re: No Knockout Punch--Again

Unread postby Lokutus » Fri 13 Jan 2006, 13:41:08

Ruppert loses some cred when he talks about who was "really" behind 911. He did it briefly last night.

911 and Peak Oil need to be treated as two seperate topics if you want the public to listen without rolling their eyes at the conspiracy nuts.
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Re: No Knockout Punch--Again

Unread postby MattSavinar » Fri 13 Jan 2006, 14:57:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I') heard Ruppert on a Las Vegas christian radio station a few months ago. He let the conversation get sidetracked then, too. Not a powerful debater, that Ruppert. Savinar was better but even he fell into the traps set by Richard Hoagland.


Keep in mind I was ambushed. Had I known ahead of time they were going to bring that space cadet on I would have (intellectually) kicked his ass.

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Re: No Knockout Punch--Again

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 13 Jan 2006, 16:00:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I') heard Ruppert on a Las Vegas christian radio station a few months ago. He let the conversation get sidetracked then, too. Not a powerful debater, that Ruppert. Savinar was better but even he fell into the traps set by Richard Hoagland.


Keep in mind I was ambushed. Had I known ahead of time they were going to bring that space cadet on I would have (intellectually) kicked his ass.

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woulda coulda shoulda, Matt. I wondered what you were thinking, it sounded like you didn't want to offend Noory or Hoagland and their goofy stuff because that's the bread and butter of the show.
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Re: No Knockout Punch--Again

Unread postby oowolf » Fri 13 Jan 2006, 17:43:26

Close to 70% of those I "lecture" about oil depletion tell me: "It's just another corporate scam." "Plenty of oil-no problem." "When we get rid of Bush, (gas) prices will fall." Upon examination, however, these comments are pure opinion-there are no "facts" behind them. Just a blind, slightly cynical, belief that everything will somehow continue as it has during their lifetime. They also overwhelmingly believe that global warming was made-up to scare people; that "environmentalists" are nothing but troublemakers; that "we can make motor fuel from corn". etc...

Kunstler's right on one big point. Most Amerikans don't know jack about the real world.
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Re: No Knockout Punch--Again

Unread postby MattSavinar » Fri 13 Jan 2006, 18:43:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I') heard Ruppert on a Las Vegas christian radio station a few months ago. He let the conversation get sidetracked then, too. Not a powerful debater, that Ruppert. Savinar was better but even he fell into the traps set by Richard Hoagland.


Keep in mind I was ambushed. Had I known ahead of time they were going to bring that space cadet on I would have (intellectually) kicked his ass.

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woulda coulda shoulda, Matt. I wondered what you were thinking, it sounded like you didn't want to offend Noory or Hoagland and their goofy stuff because that's the bread and butter of the show.


I listen to the show most every night and they have never brought Hoagie on to ask somebody for free legal services to take down the shadow government and the accuse them of advocating genocide.

Suffice it to say, I was a bit thrown off. Which, I think, was the plan.

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Re: No Knockout Punch--Again

Unread postby MattSavinar » Fri 13 Jan 2006, 18:48:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', 'R')uppert loses some cred when he talks about who was "really" behind 911. He did it briefly last night.

911 and Peak Oil need to be treated as two seperate topics if you want the public to listen without rolling their eyes at the conspiracy nuts.


Lokutus (of Borg),

I think that depends on the audience. He might with you (depending on how you feel about 9/11) or with a more mainstream audience but with the C2C audience, it probably helped him.

Most of them are members of the "conspiracy tribe" if you know what I mean. (I'm a member myself, to be clear). So if Mike says he believes a conspiracy took place, that makes him "one of us" in the eyes of the C2C audience.

As an example, Alex Jones, king of the crazy conspiricy theories, is one of C2C most popular guests. Point is, if a guest holds mainstream beliefs about 9/11, the average C2C listener will say to themselves, "aha, he's just covering up for the NWO/Illuminati!!!"

If the guest believes 9/11 was an inside job, the same person will think "well at least he's not a shill for the NWO-Illuminati-Reptoids from Zeta Riticulae (sp?)."

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Re: No Knockout Punch--Again

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 13 Jan 2006, 19:11:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '
')I listen to the show most every night and they have never brought Hoagie on to ask somebody for free legal services to take down the shadow government and the accuse them of advocating genocide.

Suffice it to say, I was a bit thrown off. Which, I think, was the plan.
Ah, you listen to the show frequently. I was a regular listener to Bell years ago, so I think this explains it. If you spend your time listening to George and his guests it's because you enjoy listening which means you probably like George and did not wish to offend him by playing polemical hardball with crazy old R. C. Hoagland. That is what it sounded like to me. Giving you feedback on your interview is thanks, it was a worthwhile reason to stay up, which I don't do much lately. I doubt George is solicitous of your feelings and he probably did set you up, or else Hoagland wheedled his way on and the ambush was all his doing. I would like to have heard something like: "I'm here to talk about Peak Oil, George. If you want to talk about shadow governments, maybe we could do that later, meanwhile . . ." Stick to the reason for the show or else you're in the Coasttocoast Zone and ET confounds you. Let us know if you go back. Go for the polemical knock-out punch.
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Re: No Knockout Punch--Again

Unread postby MattSavinar » Wed 18 Jan 2006, 02:20:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '
')I listen to the show most every night and they have never brought Hoagie on to ask somebody for free legal services to take down the shadow government and the accuse them of advocating genocide.

Suffice it to say, I was a bit thrown off. Which, I think, was the plan.
Ah, you listen to the show frequently. I was a regular listener to Bell years ago, so I think this explains it. If you spend your time listening to George and his guests it's because you enjoy listening which means you probably like George and did not wish to offend him by playing polemical hardball with crazy old R. C. Hoagland. That is what it sounded like to me. .


The ambush took place when Ian was hosting who hosts it on Saturday night. So it wasn't a matter of not wanting to offend George.

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