[MR_SHERRILL]

I am shocked... Are you guys saying what I think you are saying on this site. The world is about to blow up around us????

[bartholland]

Sorry, that it's this board that had to bring the message....

I sometimes wonder if I'm better of knowing

[EnergySpin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MR_SHERRILL', 'I') am shocked... Are you guys saying what I think you are saying on this site. The world is about to blow up around us????

[killJOY]

I think "implode" is a better expression than "blow up."

As for that "about to": that's the tricky part.

No one knows when the peak will be exactly, nor how steep the decline will be afterward, nor how people will react. I suspect not well.

Couldn't ya frow up?

[Cynus]

That red pill leaves a bitter aftertaste, don't it? Here's some cool-aid to help wash it down.

[AmericanEmpire]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') sometimes wonder if I'm better of knowing

[Raxozanne]

Sorry to be a spoil sport, but wasn't it the red pill that lead [Neo] to the truth?

[aldente]

Mr.Sherill,

The topic nature is not hard to grasp and as Energyspin pointed out correctly all that we recognize here is that we very likely are facing a liquid fuel supply crisis scheduled to setting in shortly.

The problematic psychological aspect that comes with the realisation of the enormous dependency on our all so beloved hydrocarbons of which the access to we take for granted as much as our birth right is that the depletion rate will be shrinking permanently after the peak of production has been passed. Simple isn't it?!

Which would explain that the subject matter is of absolute unheard proportions, not managable and not comparable to any problems of the past and for that reason very difficult to communicate probably both before and after the fact. That some individuals react with the "doom and gloom" notion is nothing but one form to deal with a reality that is larger than anything else ever seen, since no one is in the position to turn back the clock and to reverse the technical achievments, side effects - the now onsetting global warming process notably- and population growth that happened as a direct result of the discovery of these all so infamous liquid hydrocarbon molecules.

Also stunning that there seems to be hardly any indicator that would allow the larger public to realize how sudden a supply shortage will change the overall socio-economic dynamics not of just a nation but essentially the world now which in return makes the communication of what PeakOil is so difficult.

It is unlikely that Peak Oil will ever be communicated on a larger scale and recognized and understood as the underlaying catalyst of the events to come. Chances are way higher that finger pointing will start to occur: Islam, religion, the Russians, the Chinese, you name it, and there is speculation that out of regional resource wars "the" final super war could erupt. Others talk of a gradual and less spectacular however just as devastating die-off of the human race.

Pretty dark scenarios and again, as Energyspin already warned you, don't get succered in these all to negative mindsets. This forum seems to me a mental practice and preparation ground of how to deal with a future that neither of us has a recipe or plan as to how to deal with.

[malcomatic_51]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MR_SHERRILL', 'I') am shocked... Are you guys saying what I think you are saying on this site. The world is about to blow up around us????

[Wildwell]

Some of this information is not very good news. On the other hand the world always has had huge problems. And this one, like some of the others might be solvable. Fundamentally it is tied with monetary systems, consumption, demand, economics, geopolitics, the human condition.

Keep positive, stay objective, research as much as possible from as many sources and look for a win-win. Knowledge is power, but no single person will able to solve it, use the knowledge to think and plan if things start to go bad. You will not find any black and white answers, nor will you find silver bullet solutions or political mechanisms.

Here are a few primer articles:

http://www.vermontguardian.com/local/012006/PlanB.shtml

http://www.globalpublicmedia.com/interviews/615

http://www.globalpublicmedia.com/news/605

http://www.globalpublicmedia.com/lectures/461

www.peakoil.net

[bob_loblaw]

only a few months in myself, and I feel so late to the party.

Give it time for the reality of it all to sink in.

I'm trying to sort out how to present all of it to my family.

[MattSavinar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergySpin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MR_SHERRILL', 'I') am shocked... Are you guys saying what I think you are saying on this site. The world is about to blow up around us????

[gt1370a]

Since Matt didn't do it, Mr Sherrill I recommend you check out Life After the Oil Crash.

[ubercynicmeister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MR_SHERRILL', 'I') am shocked... Are you guys saying what I think you are saying on this site. The world is about to blow up around us????

[DigitalCubano]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gt1370a', 'S')ince Matt didn't do it, Mr Sherrill I recommend you check out Life After the Oil Crash.

[killJOY]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou should be especially wary of the ubiquity of dubious inference to support various outlandish claims within these sources.

[Wildwell]

Hmn, hands up who is looking for some objectivity? I am, since the beginning.

As wonderful and informative as the internet is, it’s given a platform to people with an axe to grind, people who pretend to be experts on things, people with an agenda or certain political point of view. I have seen many sites that are just complete works of fiction, at least if you are competent to recognise the fact.

Is peak oil real and are well qualified people concerned about it? Yes.

Do we have any idea of real oil reserves? No

What is the response of economists?

‘Prices will rise and resources that were not profitable to extract beforehand are now profitable to the market’, which is fairly plausible and logical. But the one I find the most irritating is ‘Prices will rise and alternatives will become available’. Which could possibly be the case but?

a) Is an article of faith and belief that humans can solve all problems.
b) Assumes governments won’t interfere with the markets
c) Assumes scalability, technical perfection, affordability, the capital and manpower and resources are available (and affordable) and people want to buy the alternatives. For example, solar panels are available now, but most people would rather spend the money on a vacation by plane to the other side of the world.
d) Fails to take into account oil is very inelastic.
e) Fails to take into account that oil is not an ordinary commodity, but one which powers the majority of transportation, without which we wouldn’t have an advanced civilisation.
f) Ignores the geopolitical realities. Such as Russia, Iran or Venezuela etc pulling the plug at a strategically opportunistic moment and the location of the remaining resource.
g) Assumes other resources won’t become scarce (Steel, copper, food, water, intellectual capital)


I share some concerns with LATOC, while a well thought out and logical site it makes certain assumptions too. Peak Oil is mainly a liquid fuels crisis; nevertheless it may be a real test for the markets and the human response to behave sensibly when the markets are not in their favour. Keep reading and watching.

Are there any real objective views of Peak oil? No, there are few good reports but the world economy is far to complex to predict macroeconomic response nation-by-nation. Should we be concerned? Yes. The market has failed to deal with Climate change because it’s an externality and affordable alternatives aren’t readily available. This is despite many years of warnings (based on a few uncertain facts, similar to oil reserves), the most affluence the world has ever known and because they are myopic, manipulated and based upon the ideas of a few social thinkers, not natural limits, practicality or the imperfect hard-wired human.

[Guest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou should be especially wary of the ubiquity of dubious inference to support various outlandish claims within these sources.

[Guest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DigitalCubano', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gt1370a', 'S')ince Matt didn't do it, Mr Sherrill I recommend you check out Life After the Oil Crash.