JFK assassination 'was Cuba plot'
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') new documentary exploring the death of John F Kennedy claims his assassin was directed and paid by Cuba.
Rendezvous with Death, based on new evidence from Cuban, Russian and US sources, took three years to research.
One source, ex-Cuban agent Oscar Marino, said Havana had exploited Lee Harvey Oswald, who was arrested but shot dead before he could be tried.
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Re: JFK assassination 'was Cuba plot'
by Lokutus » Thu 05 Jan 2006, 04:37:11
Sounds like complete bullshit. Cubans are liars--at least the mobsters who had to flee to Florida after Castro took over.
A much more plausible explanation is provided by Oliver Stone's film "JFK".
A much more plausible explanation is provided by Oliver Stone's film "JFK".
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Re: JFK assassination 'was Cuba plot'
by TommyJefferson » Thu 05 Jan 2006, 12:52:43
It is incredible that this stuff still sells books and TV adspace.
I have stood many times on the "X" on the pavement where JFK was shot and gazed at Oswald's window in the school book depository.
The distance is not far. You don't understand how REALLY not far until you stand there in person and look. I not a skilled marksman, yet I know I could easily make those shots. Fish in a barrell.
Last summer I parked my car with the bumper pressing against the fence on the "grassy knoll" exactly against the fence picket where the "2nd shooter" supposedly fired. The idea that anyone could aim and fire a gun there and not be heard and seen by the people standing around on the sidewalk is utterly stupid. It's right there!
Want to know the JFK truth? A disgruntled loser named Lee Oswald lucked into an opportunity to get famous and took it. Stop supporting the conspiracy industry. The whole incident really was that simple, tragic, and unglamorous.
Spend years weighing all the evidence as I did. Then ask yourself what it all boils down to. You'll appreciate the fleeting nature of life.
I have stood many times on the "X" on the pavement where JFK was shot and gazed at Oswald's window in the school book depository.
The distance is not far. You don't understand how REALLY not far until you stand there in person and look. I not a skilled marksman, yet I know I could easily make those shots. Fish in a barrell.
Last summer I parked my car with the bumper pressing against the fence on the "grassy knoll" exactly against the fence picket where the "2nd shooter" supposedly fired. The idea that anyone could aim and fire a gun there and not be heard and seen by the people standing around on the sidewalk is utterly stupid. It's right there!
Want to know the JFK truth? A disgruntled loser named Lee Oswald lucked into an opportunity to get famous and took it. Stop supporting the conspiracy industry. The whole incident really was that simple, tragic, and unglamorous.
Spend years weighing all the evidence as I did. Then ask yourself what it all boils down to. You'll appreciate the fleeting nature of life.
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Re: JFK assassination 'was Cuba plot'
by Lokutus » Thu 05 Jan 2006, 13:18:02
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', 'L')ast summer I parked my car with the bumper pressing against the fence on the "grassy knoll" exactly against the fence picket where the "2nd shooter" supposedly fired. The idea that anyone could aim and fire a gun there and not be heard and seen by the people standing around on the sidewalk is utterly stupid. It's right there!
Well, that explains all the people who said they heard shots from the grassy knoll.
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Re: JFK assassination 'was Cuba plot'
by Free » Thu 05 Jan 2006, 14:53:27
Yeah there is a bit of a hype-push by the film-maker, Huismann, himself, and the producing TV-corporation, the German public TV ARD. They know that this topic will draw huge attention, and attention generates revenues, so take it with a bag of salt.
Basically all that Huismann has is the alledged witness Marino, alledged ex-official of the Cuban intelligence G2, and the trace to Mexico, which was alledgedly not further investigated by the FBI because alledgedly Johnson hold them back...Spiegel article (German)
All not very convincing, but on the other hand the most simple explanations are sometimes the truth (Ockhams razor), and all them stories of CIA-conspiracies are a bit far fetched, so I think that it is quite likely that Oswald is the only assassin, and possible that he was recruited by the Cubans.
Then again the conspiracy nut in me thinks this explanation is a bit too convenient for the alledged perpetrators of the other conspiracy theories (CIA, Mob, Poppy Bush etc.), so it could very well be intentional disinfo.. (but: Ockhams razor!)
However, tomorrow the documentary will be aired on German TV...
Basically all that Huismann has is the alledged witness Marino, alledged ex-official of the Cuban intelligence G2, and the trace to Mexico, which was alledgedly not further investigated by the FBI because alledgedly Johnson hold them back...Spiegel article (German)
All not very convincing, but on the other hand the most simple explanations are sometimes the truth (Ockhams razor), and all them stories of CIA-conspiracies are a bit far fetched, so I think that it is quite likely that Oswald is the only assassin, and possible that he was recruited by the Cubans.
Then again the conspiracy nut in me thinks this explanation is a bit too convenient for the alledged perpetrators of the other conspiracy theories (CIA, Mob, Poppy Bush etc.), so it could very well be intentional disinfo.. (but: Ockhams razor!)
However, tomorrow the documentary will be aired on German TV...
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Re: JFK assassination 'was Cuba plot'
by Carlhole » Thu 05 Jan 2006, 15:17:56
From Dr. James Fetzer's AssassinationScience.com
A picture is worth a thousand words
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('source', 'T')HE NEW ZAPRUDER FILM
One of the first results of the Zapruder Film Conference was the discovery that the films available to the public, including David Lifton's "Z Film" (undated), the Macmillan CD (1993), Robert Groden's "The Assassination Films" (1965), and MPI's "Image of an Assassination" (1998), all differ significantly in the amount of information they provide. Even the best, MPI's "Image of an Assassination" (1998) does not include frames 155 and 156; does not include frames 208, 209, 210, and 211; has reversed frames 331 and 332; and also does not include (what ought to be) frames 341, 350, and (even) 486 (!).
The New Zapruder Film: John P. Costella, Ph.D., has produced a fresh version of the film, which overcomes all of these deficiencies and introduces improvements never before seen in any Zapruder film, namely: corrections for pincushion and aspect ratio distortion; inclusion of the so-called "ghost panels"; and masking of open sprocket holes to make information more accessible. In the interest of advancing the frontiers of knowledge, education, research, science, and inquiry, this new, improved version is being made available to the public free of charge. May it contribute to better understanding the death of JFK!
The New Zapruder FilmA picture is worth a thousand words
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('source', 'T')HE NEW ZAPRUDER FILM
One of the first results of the Zapruder Film Conference was the discovery that the films available to the public, including David Lifton's "Z Film" (undated), the Macmillan CD (1993), Robert Groden's "The Assassination Films" (1965), and MPI's "Image of an Assassination" (1998), all differ significantly in the amount of information they provide. Even the best, MPI's "Image of an Assassination" (1998) does not include frames 155 and 156; does not include frames 208, 209, 210, and 211; has reversed frames 331 and 332; and also does not include (what ought to be) frames 341, 350, and (even) 486 (!).
The New Zapruder Film: John P. Costella, Ph.D., has produced a fresh version of the film, which overcomes all of these deficiencies and introduces improvements never before seen in any Zapruder film, namely: corrections for pincushion and aspect ratio distortion; inclusion of the so-called "ghost panels"; and masking of open sprocket holes to make information more accessible. In the interest of advancing the frontiers of knowledge, education, research, science, and inquiry, this new, improved version is being made available to the public free of charge. May it contribute to better understanding the death of JFK!
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Re: JFK assassination 'was Cuba plot'
by AmericanEmpire » Thu 05 Jan 2006, 15:26:28
It was the elite group of bankers who control the world who did it: link
JFK & FEDERAL RESERVE: "On June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree, Executive Order 11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest.
With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business. President Kennedy's Executive Order 11110 gave the Treasury Department the explicit authority:
'to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the treasury....'
Perhaps the assassination of JFK was a warning to all future presidents not to interfere with the private Federal Reserve's control over the creation of money."
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11110: RELATING TO THE PERFORMANCE OF CERTAIN FUNCTIONS AFFECTING THE DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY (By virtue of the authority vested in me by section 301 of title 3 of the United States Code, it is ordered as follows...)
JOHN F KENNEDY vs THE FEDERAL RESERVE (five months after disempowering the private, foreign-owned Federal Reserve Bank, JFK was assassinated).
Go to GREENSPAN FROM JEKYLL ISLAND
Go to CREATURE FROM JEKYLL ISLAND (excerpt from book)
JFK & IMF & EURO SCREWING DOLLAR
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JFK & FEDERAL RESERVE: "On June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree, Executive Order 11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest.
With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business. President Kennedy's Executive Order 11110 gave the Treasury Department the explicit authority:
'to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the treasury....'
Perhaps the assassination of JFK was a warning to all future presidents not to interfere with the private Federal Reserve's control over the creation of money."
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11110: RELATING TO THE PERFORMANCE OF CERTAIN FUNCTIONS AFFECTING THE DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY (By virtue of the authority vested in me by section 301 of title 3 of the United States Code, it is ordered as follows...)
JOHN F KENNEDY vs THE FEDERAL RESERVE (five months after disempowering the private, foreign-owned Federal Reserve Bank, JFK was assassinated).
Go to GREENSPAN FROM JEKYLL ISLAND
Go to CREATURE FROM JEKYLL ISLAND (excerpt from book)
JFK & IMF & EURO SCREWING DOLLAR
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Re: JFK assassination 'was Cuba plot'
by Lokutus » Thu 05 Jan 2006, 15:29:50
You got to love the Cuban exiles.
Most exiles/immigrants I know in the USA do their best to help out family members back in the old country. They send them money and other assistance whenever they can afford to do so.
The Cubans in the USA are the exception. Their attitude appears to be that if starving the entire country is what it will take for them to be able to return and resume their mob operations, then so be it.
Never trust a Cuban exile about anything to do with Cuba. They run a massive disinformation campaign against their own country. These creeps want a return to the old days of Battista when organized crime ruled the country.
Assholes.
Most exiles/immigrants I know in the USA do their best to help out family members back in the old country. They send them money and other assistance whenever they can afford to do so.
The Cubans in the USA are the exception. Their attitude appears to be that if starving the entire country is what it will take for them to be able to return and resume their mob operations, then so be it.
Never trust a Cuban exile about anything to do with Cuba. They run a massive disinformation campaign against their own country. These creeps want a return to the old days of Battista when organized crime ruled the country.
Assholes.
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Re: JFK assassination 'was Cuba plot'
by TommyJefferson » Thu 05 Jan 2006, 16:40:57
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', '.')..that explains all the people who said they heard shots from the grassy knoll.
I apologize. I wasn't clear. There is no way a person could fire a gun there and not be SEEN and heard.
It's a waist-high rickety picket fence. You can see through it. There is a wide-open parking lot on the other side of it. It's on the edge of downtown Dallas. There are people walking all over the place. There are train tracks on the other side of the parking lot.
It would simply be impossible to fire a gun there and not have 20 people see you instantly, before you could take even two steps, much less run a two hundred yards (somehow) carrying a rifle under your coat.
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