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Re: If JFK wasn't assassinated

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Sat 22 Jul 2006, 04:10:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jogger', 'W')hat do you think the world would be like today if JFK wasn't assassinated in 1963?

We'd all be dead.
I don't think very many people realize just *how close* we came to a nuclear exchange between Russia and America during the missle crisis.
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Re: If JFK wasn't assassinated

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Sat 22 Jul 2006, 09:19:58

Perhaps LBJ's insane socialist programs would not have been passed.
Millions of parasites might not have grown fat and retarded off government handouts. America would be a fitter, more decent place today.
It's ironic that it took a corrupt Texas ass-kicking political bully like LBJ to slam through traditional American resistance to socialism to get those laws passed.
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Re: If JFK wasn't assassinated

Unread postby Bas » Sat 22 Jul 2006, 09:23:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', 'I')t's ironic that it took a corrupt Texas ass-kicking political bully like LBJ to slam through traditional American resistance to socialism to get those laws passed.

it sure is.
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Re: If JFK wasn't assassinated

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Sat 22 Jul 2006, 11:48:39

We sure as hell wouldn't have gotten involved in that horrible decade long war.
JFK was trying to get American advisors out of Viet Naim in '63 but he was killed before he could finish the task. LBJ on the other hand started operation rolling thunder and the massive invasion of ground troops.
Also, because the USA would not be wasting hundreds of billions of dollars (adjusted to 2006 $$) in Viet Naim and the War on Poverty, we would not have become a debtor nation in the 70's.
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Re: If JFK wasn't assassinated

Unread postby Zardoz » Sat 22 Jul 2006, 13:44:10

He probably would've been forced to resign. Many journalists were on the verge of exposing his many affairs when he was assassinated. Several Secret Service agents had already resigned because they could no longer be a party to covering for him as he brought women right into the White House to screw them.
Johnson would've ended up as President anyway.
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Re: If JFK wasn't assassinated

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Sat 22 Jul 2006, 16:35:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'H')e probably would've been forced to resign. Many journalists were on the verge of exposing his many affairs when he was assassinated. Several Secret Service agents had already resigned because they could no longer be a party to covering for him as he brought women right into the White House to screw them.
Johnson would've ended up as President anyway.

If Kennedy had resigned after a huge scandal, Johnson would have had little political support (Ford in '75-'76). Johnson would have lost the 1964 election to a Republican and Republicans would have taken back control of Congress.
A Republican government in the 1960's would have stomped out the Hippie Movement (in all its various forms). With no Viet Nam war causing civil unrest, there would have been no need to push America's political climate to the Left.

No push to the left? NO ENVIRONMENTAL MOVEMENT.
What is the result of that?
Peak Oil in the USA would not have been a big deal because we would have built a million Nuke plants without those pesky Greens getting in the way.
America doesn't face a recession in the 1970's because the War in Viet Naim never happened and the War On Poverty was very limited.

All of this leads to there being far less knowledge about Peak Oil by anyone on this board, including myself.
THEREFORE, if JFK had lived, this website would not exist.
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Re: If JFK wasn't assassinated

Unread postby turmoil » Sat 22 Jul 2006, 22:32:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'W')e'd all be dead. I don't think very many people realize just *how close* we came to a nuclear exchange between Russia and America during the missle crisis.

er...I think I get what are you are saying but the crisis happened in 1962 before he was assassinated.
We'd probably all be dead if he was killed before then, I think. Is this what you are trying to say?
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Re: If JFK wasn't assassinated

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Sat 22 Jul 2006, 23:14:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('turmoil', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'W')e'd all be dead. I don't think very many people realize just *how close* we came to a nuclear exchange between Russia and America during the missle crisis.

er...I think I get what are you are saying but the crisis happened in 1962 before he was assassinated. We'd probably all be dead if he was killed before then, I think. Is this what you are trying to say?

I'm suggesting that Khrushchev didn't consider Kennedy as a serious adversary, especially after the crisis. And if Kennedy had not been assassinated, Khrushchev might have tried to capitalize on that weakness, leading us down a very dark, radioactive path.
At least...that's how the theory goes.
The truth is, Kennedy had so many enemies, we might NEVER know the whole story.
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Re: If JFK wasn't assassinated

Unread postby Free » Sun 23 Jul 2006, 00:37:43

If Bush would have been assassinated shortly after the invasion of Afghanistan he would have gone down into history as one of the greatest president of all times, and you could adore his smirk on Mount Rushmore today.
If Hitler would have been assassinated in 1939 or even 1941, he would still be celebrated today as the greatest German leader of all times.

You can extend that list at will.
Martyrdom and mythological idolatry is not exclusively reserved to muslim goat herders, you know.
Kennedy for sure was as smart guy, and a good president, and he even might have saved mankind from nuclear annihilation. But if he would have served his two terms he would probably be remembered on the same level as Carter or Reagan, hated by some, loved by others.
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Re: If JFK wasn't assassinated

Unread postby turmoil » Sun 23 Jul 2006, 00:50:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'I')'m suggesting that Khrushchev didn't consider Kennedy as a serious adversary, especially after the crisis. And if Kennedy had not been assassinated, Khrushchev might have tried to capitalize on that weakness, leading us down a very dark, radioactive path.
At least...that's how the theory goes.
The truth is, Kennedy had so many enemies, we might NEVER know the whole story.

Yep, lot of angles, but I think both sides were a little freaked out by the whole ordeal and set up the Hotline to help deal with the uncertainty. No one really wanted that radioactive path, and MAD got us all through I think, and a little oil economics.
Or, as you put it, thats how the theory goes.
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JFK aware of and worried about covert conspiracies--speech

Unread postby threadbear » Sat 26 Aug 2006, 19:50:13

For all the dangerously naiive in peak oil land who still think that the world is shaped by transparent and largely random political events. JFK addresses the press in a speech where he describes secret societies, their means of infiltration and the press's role as watchdog. link
Discuss.
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Re: JFK aware of and worried about covert conspiracies--spee

Unread postby jupiters_release » Sat 26 Aug 2006, 21:29:13

Could have done without sensational images but the speech was good, I'm surprised the bankers didn't off him sooner. I guess with the technology today TPTB nowt worry about someone like JFK winning a presidential election. Funny how well perfected the system has become in such short time. Will be interesting to see how well they coordinate NWO, peak oil, and die off. 8)
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Re: JFK aware of and worried about covert conspiracies--spee

Unread postby NEOPO » Sat 26 Aug 2006, 22:10:31

Thank you Threadbear. I fear JR is correct to a point.
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Nay I cry!!!
We kicked their asses and we can godamn right do it again!!!
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Better fuckin realize it before we lay your heads low and only raise them up again to place them on a fucking pike !!! <neopo loves that part.
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Re: JFK aware of and worried about covert conspiracies--spee

Unread postby NEOPO » Sat 26 Aug 2006, 22:44:21

<tears> free and independent!!!
Say it over and over - its the most beautiful thing!!!
free and independent!!!
Shall we hang most of the press now or later?
Jon Stewart is NOT a comedian and I nominate him President for 2008'- who's with me!!! ?? ;-)
Were goin to strip and storm the quad - who's with me!!??? ;-)
Beyond all this: I believe that was the most beautiful thing I have ever heard a president say.
And then they/we killed him.
It bothers me enough to make a double post and that aint too cool.
Yes I am really fucking bothered!!!
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Re: JFK assassination 'was Cuba plot'

Unread postby NEOPO » Sat 09 Dec 2006, 02:10:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AmericanEmpire', 'I')t was the elite group of bankers who control the world who did it: link

JFK & FEDERAL RESERVE: "On June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree, Executive Order 11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business. President Kennedy's Executive Order 11110 gave the Treasury Department the explicit authority:

'to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the treasury....'
Perhaps the assassination of JFK was a warning to all future presidents not to interfere with the private Federal Reserve's control over the creation of money."

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11110: RELATING TO THE PERFORMANCE OF CERTAIN FUNCTIONS AFFECTING THE DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY (By virtue of the authority vested in me by section 301 of title 3 of the United States Code, it is ordered as follows...)
JOHN F KENNEDY vs THE FEDERAL RESERVE (five months after disempowering the private, foreign-owned Federal Reserve Bank, JFK was assassinated).
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I think you nailed that puppy to the wall.
A recent very revealing video I watched gives quite a few reasons for why "we" killed him yet all of the info I have learned pertaining to the federal reserve/private banking business says that this indeed was the reason. JFK 2 - The Bush Connection

After watching, reading and hearing all of this data about conspiracies et al.
I am left with little or no respect for anyone who thinks they can wave their hand and easily dismiss this data.
I cannot imagine that these people actually do their homework.
What? one book? one movie? one article and then case closed?
Hardly!
Just like those young guys who put together Loose Change....
Its too damn good - go make yer own movie if you REALLY think that you can debunk these theories.

And again - like I am always reminding myself - here we are at PO.COM - peak oil - something that 99% of the population see's as a conspiracy.
This forum is indeed a good cross section of the populous as we have our good share of brain dead clones just like in the "real" world ;-)
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Re: JFK assassination 'was Cuba plot'

Unread postby PolestaR » Sat 09 Dec 2006, 02:32:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', 'T')hen why are there witnesses claiming that there were gunshots from there?

I don't know. Most likely they heard echos of Oswald's shots bouncing off those buildings around the plaza.
If someone were actually shooting from that location, it would have been impossible to miss seeing them.

That's a good way to live your life - "I don't know probably something else, something which agrees with the official line". That's evidence right there "I don't know" , "probably". I wonder what else you took similar liberties on in your life.
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Re: JFK assassination 'was Cuba plot'

Unread postby NEOPO » Sun 10 Dec 2006, 15:22:37

Yeah sounds like someone supported the CT industry and now wants their money back 8)

He will probably want his donations to PO.COM back once the official version of PO starts making more sense to him then the generally accepted understanding that people here at PO.COM believe.

Worse is the fact that this type of mentality is not only present with CT's but seems to span all subjects of interest where we are uncertain of the facts.
Ah well - they have their good nights sleep and I have my truth.....
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Former CIA Man Latest To Connect LBJ To JFK Assassination

Unread postby Carlhole » Tue 16 Jan 2007, 00:40:07

Former CIA Man Latest To Connect LBJ To JFK Assassination
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrisonPlanet', 'A') former CIA agent has gone public with his conviction that former President Lyndon Baines Johnson was directly connected to the JFK assassination and its cover-up, echoing the claims of others close to LBJ at the time who have also blown the whistle on Johnson's complicity in the murder.
E. Howard Hunt, a former CIA agent who organized the Watergate break-in, earning him the name "plumber" states in his book, American Spy: My Secret History in the CIA, Watergate & Beyond, due out in April, that "LBJ had the money and the connections to manipulate the scenario in Dallas and is on record as having convinced JFK to make the appearance in the first place."...

Also at the link is the segment, "The Guilty Men" from the History Channel special, "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" which was the special that aired on the 40th anniversay and features the main conspiracy theories surrounding the assassination. "The Guilty Men" was just one of them and concentrated on Lyndon Johnson and his long-time political, business and legal associates for many years in Texas.

Lest you think that "The Guilty Men" is so believable it must be true, watch the others as well sometime. They were all pretty good. But, of course, they all can't be true and perhaps none of them are.
Even if "The Guilty Men" cannot be proven, and in light of our latest Lone Star experience, I think it would do the country good if we ratified the Consitution to prohibit anyone else from Texas from ever holding high office again. :roll:
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Re: Former CIA Man Latest To Connect LBJ To JFK Assassinatio

Unread postby NEOPO » Tue 16 Jan 2007, 03:19:37

The anti texas comment will not fly bro but otherwise Okay 8)
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