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Re: What the Sh-t?

Unread postby keehah » Sun 04 Dec 2005, 15:33:52

Just another stage in the training of 'troops' and softening up of the public to martial law that may soon arrive in the US for several reasons-one of the main ones being severe Peak Oil declines.

I hope events like these can help the 'left wing hippies' and 'right wing wackos' finger pointers shift their political thinking 90 degrees. Such divisions only split we the people. The new political battlefront should be totalitarianism vs. freedom.

One question I could concede to the 'totalitarianists.' Have we the public (as a whole) gotten a little too stupid for freedom? I'm sure they think so. Ending the left vs. right rhetoric will be a great start to smartening up our culture.
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Re: What the Sh-t?

Unread postby EndDays » Sun 04 Dec 2005, 18:15:23

It is no theory, the evidence is overwelming and its happening right in front of all of us. The Antichrist is coming and the world will accept him during a period of enormous tribulation.
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Re: What the Sh-t?

Unread postby Ludi » Sun 04 Dec 2005, 18:54:51

I doubt it. Christianity is the single most popular religion worldwide. I don't think all those folks are going to suddenly drop Jesus for the AntiChrist.
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Re: What the Sh-t?

Unread postby AmericanEmpire » Sun 04 Dec 2005, 20:12:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Bible warns about it, but most people refuse to listen and do not put their Faith in Jesus Christ as Saviour.


So you aren't worried about trying to survive the post oil dieoff. You think Jesus will return and make everything ok?
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Re: What the Sh-t?

Unread postby EndDays » Sun 04 Dec 2005, 21:07:41

I've never understood what people plan to do if things get really bad. Whether you live in the city, off grid or a hole in the ground, people will find you. Then what? What kind of preparations can you make?

My Faith lies with the Lord, whatever His plan is for me, so be it. I'm certainly not afraid of dying though, but that will happen when its meant to be. In the meantime all I can do is spread the Word.

In the beginning of the post-peak era it may be rough and society may even breakdown into chaos but order will be restored, but under the rules of those who will be in power.

Ludi,

"Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left." (Matthew 24:40-41)

People debate when the Rapture will take place, whether its Pre-Tribulation, Mid-Tribulation, or Post-Tribulation. Nonetheless, at some point Christians will be removed before God's Wrath is poured out on those who rejected Him.

"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." (Revelation 13:17-18 )

His Wrath on the Beast (Antichrist), False Prophet and those who took the Mark of the Beast will comee at the end of the Tribulation.

"And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone." (Revelation 19:20)

As for Christians, the Beast will kill those alive during the Tribulation.

"And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations." (Revelation 13:7)

This is just bits and pieces of what will happen.

http://www.gotquestions.org has plenty of Scriptural answers for what prophesized.

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Re: What the Sh-t?

Unread postby Ludi » Sun 04 Dec 2005, 21:18:23

I don't put much stock in Revelation. I think it's extremely over-rated.

What does Jesus himself tell his followers to do during the end times? He does not tell them they will be killed. He tells them to care for the poor, the sick, and those in prison, and continue the work that he started.

Matthew 24:45 -
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Re: What the Sh-t?

Unread postby EndDays » Sun 04 Dec 2005, 22:55:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') don't put much stock in Revelation. I think it's extremely over-rated.

What does Jesus himself tell his followers to do during the end times? He does not tell them they will be killed. He tells them to care for the poor, the sick, and those in prison, and continue the work that he started.

Matthew 24:45 -


What do you think Jesus meant by Tribulation? Things are not going to be good. These are all Jesus words:

"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be." (Matthew 24:21)

That doesn't sound good, Ludi. Its going to be worse than when Nero fed Christians to the lions. I can't really imagine much worse than that. But with 6B people dependent on a fragile global economy for food, I can definitely see how a major collapse could cause this great tribulation.

Or how about this, it lines up with Revelation:

"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect." (Mat 24:24)

Beast and False Prophet in Revelation line up with Matt 24:24, or how about:

"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand" (Mat 24:15)

This is where Daniel says the Man of Sin will stand in the temple and declare he is God. This lines up with Revelation 13 where the whole world is forced to worship the Beast or be killed.

But yes, you are correct our work as Christians will not end until we're dead. First and foremost is the spreading the Good News the Gospel message of Salvation through Christ.

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Re: What the Sh-t?

Unread postby duke3522 » Mon 05 Dec 2005, 01:02:34

Man am I getting tired of reading along in a good thread just to find it has been high jacked by someone trying to Scare us to Jesus.


Take the end of the world/Revelations stuff to its own thread.
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How hard is it to get our police to walk again?

Unread postby Lokutus » Tue 03 Jan 2006, 00:37:03

I was thinking the other day of all the advantages to be derived by society from having our police step out of their patrol cars and walk the beat again. For every car not used, we'd save a tank of gas per day. This woulf help to keep prices down. Additionally, our police would be fitter as they'd burn off all those donut spare tires.

Think about it.
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Re: How hard is it to get our police to walk again?

Unread postby frankthetank » Tue 03 Jan 2006, 00:55:32

Cops eat donuts.
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Re: How hard is it to get our police to walk again?

Unread postby Lokutus » Tue 03 Jan 2006, 00:58:37

What I said.

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Re: How hard is it to get our police to walk again?

Unread postby elroy » Tue 03 Jan 2006, 08:03:54

And criminals would simply get away each time.
Not feasible.
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Re: How hard is it to get our police to walk again?

Unread postby Doly » Tue 03 Jan 2006, 08:19:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('elroy', 'A')nd criminals would simply get away each time.
Not feasible.


Maybe not in the US, where cities are all spread out. In the UK they walk and it works. Of course, UK cities are more compressed.
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Re: How hard is it to get our police to walk again?

Unread postby elroy » Tue 03 Jan 2006, 08:38:25

As you can see, I'm not from the US either. Still, criminals on mopeds will easily get away from officers on foot. btw where does the name moped come from ? mo for motorized.. something ? Over here they're called 'brommers'.
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Re: How hard is it to get our police to walk again?

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Tue 03 Jan 2006, 10:44:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('elroy', 'A')s you can see, I'm not from the US either. Still, criminals on mopeds will easily get away from officers on foot. btw where does the name moped come from ? mo for motorized.. something ? Over here they're called 'brommers'.


You almost guessed it "MOtorized PEDestrian" :P

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he word moped is a Swedish short form of the word motorvelociped. Velociped is an older Swedish word for bicycle, imported from the French word vélocipède formed from the Latin velocispedis meaning "fast foot". However, it is also likely that the term is merely an abbreviated combination of the two key elements of a moped—a motor and pedals.
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Re: How hard is it to get our police to walk again?

Unread postby PhilBiker » Tue 03 Jan 2006, 11:34:42

Police use bicycles more and more.
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Re: How hard is it to get our police to walk again?

Unread postby pup55 » Tue 03 Jan 2006, 14:59:43

The county where I live out in suburbia has a population of 700,000, and a police force of 656. The surface area is 450 square miles.

So this means on average, there is one cop for every 1500 people, and 1.44 cops per square mile. Also, there are 2200 miles of roads in this county, therefore 3 miles of road per cop.

But, cops have to sleep. Therefore, for 24 hour coverage, it means one cop must be able to cover 2 square miles, and 4500 citizens and/or about 10 miles of roads, not including weekends and holidays. Also, not including downtime caused by idiocy, car wrecks, or filling out paperwork.

If 99.9% of the people are "good guys" and .1% are "bad guys" that means about 5 bad guys for every cop, spread out over 2 square miles and/or 10 miles of road.

So, out here, I think the cops are going to keep driving, particularly in light of the fact that most of the bad guys also drive.
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Re: How hard is it to get our police to walk again?

Unread postby bentstrider » Tue 03 Jan 2006, 19:58:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', 'T')he county where I live out in suburbia has a population of 700,000, and a police force of 656. The surface area is 450 square miles.


656 cops for 700,000 Joe Sixpacks and their minions.(not you included of course) They could easily solve this by giving more thought to public transit, and encourage people in the outer-lying tracts to revert to a more agressive, neighborhood watch.
I.E.,. knock the sucker/s out right now, police will come get them in the morning. Hell, these tract homes are bigger than they need to be, they should be built with a fortified cell.
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Re: How hard is it to get our police to walk again?

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Wed 04 Jan 2006, 03:18:15

If criminals were smart, I see many ways in which even the current police would have no hope of catching them(the federal bureaus on the otherhand is a different matter). But criminals tend not to be very smart and/or are gutless.

Needless to say, getting our police to walk again is quite impractical, so long as cars continue to exist and be used. If any severe shortage of fuel occurs, it is likely to be rationed to law enforcement before it reaches your common person.

We may see more motorcycle cops, on the otherhand. Motorcycles are much more efficient than automobiles, often attaining 50 miles per gallon when driven hard. A modern Ford Crown Victoria, on the otherhand, driven with a lead food would get about 16 mpg(although you'll get the epa ratings if driven very gently, not a characteristic of our cops). Police cars may be reserved for apprehension of suspects while motorcycles might be used for routine patrol and as pursuit vehicles to keep track of the suspect until a car is called in.
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Re: How hard is it to get our police to walk again?

Unread postby Lokutus » Wed 04 Jan 2006, 04:17:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', 'I')f criminals were smart, I see many ways in which even the current police would have no hope of catching them(the federal bureaus on the otherhand is a different matter). But criminals tend not to be very smart and/or are gutless.


Hold it right there, buckaroo.

Ever watched HBO's The Wire?

It's the best cop show in history.

Why, you ask? Because it's not written by TV writers but by a 20 year veteran of the Balitimore PD and a 13 year crime reporter for the Baltimore Sun.

The first season goes into great detail into the working of a gang selling drugs in the hood. The boyos running that op were a lot smarter than your average cop or citizen.
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