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Re: "Petrodollar Warfare" William R. Clark

Postby DantesPeak » Fri 18 Nov 2005, 19:35:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Euric', '
')There doesn't have to be a mass selling of dollar assets to bring down the petrodollar. Bringing down a super-power has to be done delicately so as not to bring everyone else down with it.

Is there a website that shows how much of the treasuries are being purchased either daily or monthly?


I agree that there does not have to be a single event to mark the end of the dollar regime. However Mr. Bill and others are correct that it is going strong at this time. The total net amount of US assets purchased may be $1 trillion in 2005. Whne I projected that figure for 2005, many thought that figure was unrealistically high.

Ironically, the higher amount of capital inflow reflects an increasing reliance on foreigners, and is a sign of weakness - just as increasing US oil imports indicate a weakening structural mismatch between oil production and demand


The best monthly report is the Treasury International Capital Data
http://www.treasury.gov/press/releases/js3019.htm
This information is voluntarily supplied by foreign countries and may contain some inaccuracies.

On a weekly basis, you can check at the Federal Reserve's figures weekly after 4:30 PM NYC time. Please note that they only include amounts of FCB purchases which the physically keep. I estimate the Fed has about 2/3rds of total FCB purchases in custody.

Go to
http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/H41/Current/
To get the latest weekly info, and look for "Marketable securities held in custody for foreign official and international accounts"
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Re: "Petrodollar Warfare" William R. Clark

Postby MrBill » Mon 21 Nov 2005, 02:57:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Euric', '
')There doesn't have to be a mass selling of dollar assets to bring down the petrodollar. Bringing down a super-power has to be done delicately so as not to bring everyone else down with it.

Is there a website that shows how much of the treasuries are being purchased either daily or monthly?


I agree that there does not have to be a single event to mark the end of the dollar regime. However Mr. Bill and others are correct that it is going strong at this time. The total net amount of US assets purchased may be $1 trillion in 2005. Whne I projected that figure for 2005, many thought that figure was unrealistically high.

Ironically, the higher amount of capital inflow reflects an increasing reliance on foreigners, and is a sign of weakness - just as increasing US oil imports indicate a weakening structural mismatch between oil production and demand


The best monthly report is the Treasury International Capital Data
http://www.treasury.gov/press/releases/js3019.htm
This information is voluntarily supplied by foreign countries and may contain some inaccuracies.

On a weekly basis, you can check at the Federal Reserve's figures weekly after 4:30 PM NYC time. Please note that they only include amounts of FCB purchases which the physically keep. I estimate the Fed has about 2/3rds of total FCB purchases in custody.

Go to
http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/H41/Current/
To get the latest weekly info, and look for "Marketable securities held in custody for foreign official and international accounts"



Excellent links. Thanks! I usually just see the aggregate no.s on Reuters or Bloomberg when they are announced, but nice to know where to find the source. Cheers. :)
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Re: "Petrodollar Warfare" William R. Clark

Postby Petrodollar » Mon 21 Nov 2005, 14:57:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') agree that there does not have to be a single event to mark the end of the dollar regime.


Percisely. About a year ago a colleague in Ireland (Nunan) wrote a very cogent summary of the main issues. He lists several events from 1999 to 2004 that illustrate this conflict between World Reserve Currencies. I expect the 2005 -2010 period will simply accelerate current trends, with Iran being one more important element that removes the main technical obstacle to a broad-based petroeuro system for international oil trades.

Given the geopolitcal tensions surrounding depleting hydrocarbons, and the neoconservative project for US global domination, the timing could not be worse for the global community. Hence, I also think Nunan's article warrants inclusion on this thread:
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Petrodollar or Petroeuro? A new source of global conflict
Cóilín Nunan

http://www.feasta.org/documents/review2/nunan.htm


The current political and economic rift between the US and the European Union has been called a clash of civilizations. Its major cause is a struggle over the gains to be had from producing the world's leading currency

No observer of the lead-up to the war in Iraq and its aftermath could have failed to notice that the level of cooperation between Europe and America was extremely low. France and Germany were very strong opponents of the US/UK invasion and even after the war was declared over, disagreements persisted over the lifting of sanctions and how Iraq should be run. So was this just a one-off tiff or was it a symptom of deeper flaws in the relationship? I believe that the war on Iraq illustrated for the first time that continental Europe, led by France and Germany, no longer wishes to follow the Americans politically, although what has been termed a 'clash of civilisations'1 is probably better viewed as a 'clash of economies'.

While disagreements over the US trade barriers on steel imports or the European restrictions on imports of American genetically modified crops have attracted widespread comment, the most intense economic rivalry of all has received far less media attention than it perhaps should: this is the rivalry between the dollar and the euro for the position of world reserve currency, a privileged status that has been held by the dollar ever since the Bretton Woods agreement nearly 60 years ago.

At present, approximately two thirds of world trade is conducted in dollars and two thirds of central banks' currency reserves are held in the American currency which remains the sole currency used by international institutions such as the IMF. This confers on the US a major economic advantage: the ability to run a trade deficit year after year. It can do this because foreign countries need dollars to repay their debts to the IMF, to conduct international trade and to build up their currency reserves. The US provides the world with these dollars by buying goods and services produced by foreign countries, but since it does not have a corresponding need for foreign currency, it sells far fewer goods and services in return, i.e. the US always spends more than it earns, whereas the rest of the world always earns more than it spends. This US trade deficit has now reached extraordinary levels, with the US importing 50% more goods and services than it exports. So long as the dollar remains the dominant international currency the US can continue consuming more than it produces and, for example, build up its military strength while simultaneously affording tax cuts.

Getting a share of this economic free lunch has been one of the motivations, and perhaps the main motivation, behind setting up the euro2 . Were the euro to become a reserve currency equal to, or perhaps even instead of, the dollar, countries would reduce their dollar holdings while building up their euro savings. Another way of putting this would be to say that Eurozone countries would be able to reduce their subsidy to American consumption and would find that other countries were now subsidising Eurozone consumption instead.

A move away from the dollar towards the euro could, on the other hand, have a disastrous effect on the US economy as the US would no longer be able to spend beyond its means. Worse still, the US would have to become a net currency importer as foreigners would probably seek to spend back in the US a large proportion of the estimated three trillion dollars which they currently own. In other words, the US would have to run a trade surplus, providing the rest of the world with more goods and services than it was receiving in return. A rapid and wholesale move to the euro might even lead to a dollar crash as everyone sought to get rid of some, or all, of their dollars at the same time. But that is an outcome that no-one, not even France or Germany, is seeking because of the huge effect it would have on the world economy. Europe would much prefer to see a gradual move to a euro-dollar world, or even a euro-dominated one.


It turns out that there is a small group of countries which is playing the arbiter in this global contest. These are the world's oil exporters, in particular OPEC and Russia. Ever since the days when the US dominated world oil production, sales of oil and natural gas on international markets have been exclusively denominated in dollars. This was partly a natural state of affairs since, up until the early 1950s, the US accounted for half or more of the world's annual oil production. The tendency to price in dollars was additionally reinforced by the Bretton Woods agreement which established the IMF and World Bank and adopted the dollar as the currency for international loans.

The vast majority of the world's countries are oil importers and, since oil is such a crucial commodity, the need to pay for it in dollars encourages these countries keep the majority of their foreign currency reserves in dollars not only to be able to buy oil directly but also to protect the value of their own currencies from falling against the dollar. Because a sudden devaluation of a country's currency against the dollar would lead to a jump in oil prices and a possible economic crisis, every country's central bank needs dollar reserves so as to be able to buy its own currency on the foreign exchange markets when its value needs to be supported.

The fact that oil sales and loans from the IMF are dollar-denominated also encourages poorer countries to denominate their exports in dollars as this minimises the risk of losses through any fluctuations in the value of the dollar. The knock-on effect of this is that, since many of these exports are essential raw materials which richer countries need to import, their denomination in dollars reinforces the need for rich countries to keep their own currency reserves in dollars.

While the denomination of oil sales is not a subject which is frequently discussed in the media, its importance is certainly well understood by governments. For example, when in 1971 President Nixon took the US off the gold standard, OPEC did consider moving away from dollar oil pricing, as dollars no longer had the guaranteed value they once did. The US response was to do various secret deals with Saudi Arabia in the 1970s to ensure that the world's most important oil exporter stuck with the dollar3 . What the Saudis did, OPEC followed. More recently, in June 2003, the Prime Minister of Malaysia publicly encouraged his country's oil and gas exporters to move from the dollar to the euro. The European and American reactions were polar opposites: the EU's Energy Commissioner, Loyola de Palacio, welcomed the suggestion, saying that 'in the future the euro is [going to be] taking a place in the international markets in general as the money of exchange' and that this was 'a matter of realism'4 . Her counterpart in the US, the director of the Energy Information Administration, Guy Caruso, said that he couldn't see 'any particular merit' in the move and that over the long run 'the dollar's always won out'5 . Either way, Malaysia is only a relatively minor oil exporter, so what it does can only have a very limited effect. A switch by a major oil exporter would be of far greater significance.

The first country to actually make the switch was a very important oil exporter indeed: Iraq, in November 2000 6 ,7. Before the war in Iraq began, some observers, myself included, argued that this might well be a major reason for the US desire to invade and the strong Franco-German opposition to the invasion 8 ,9 . Corroborating evidence included the apparent influence which loyalty (or lack thereof) to the dollar seemed to have on the US attitude towards other OPEC members. Iran had been talking of selling its own oil for euros 6 ,10 and was subsequently included in George Bush's 'axis of evil'. Venezuela, another important oil exporter, had started bartering some of its oil, thus avoiding the use of the dollar, and was encouraging OPEC to do likewise11 - and the US was widely suspected in having played a part in the attempted coup against the Venezuelan president, Hugo Chavez. {April 2002-WC}

Semi-official confirmation that petro-currency rivalry was at the heart of the split between France and Germany, on the one hand, and the US, on the other, was provided by Howard Fineman, the chief political correspondent for Newsweek, in an article he wrote in April 2003, in the aftermath of the war. The Europeans and Americans were then arguing over whether the UN's oil-for-food programme in Iraq should remain in place or not. Using the term 'clash of civilisations' to describe the divide which was developing, Fineman explained that the disagreement had little to do with the French calls for the search for weapons of mass destruction to resume and for sanctions to remain in place until the search was complete.

Instead, Fineman said, it was mainly about the dollar vs the euro. Citing White House officials and a presidential aide, he explained that the dispute between the two continents was really about 'who gets to sell - and buy - Iraqi oil, and what form of currency will be used to denominate the value of the sales. That decision, in turn, will help decide who controls Iraq, which, in turn, will represent yet another skirmish in a growing global economic conflict. We want a secular, American-influenced pan-ethnic entity of some kind to control the massive oil fields (Iraq's vast but only real source of wealth). We want that entity to be permitted to sell the oil to whomever it wants, denominated in dollars.' Fineman concluded his article by confidently predicting that future Iraqi oil sales would be switched back to dollars1 . {Note: I used an exert fom Fineman's article in my book to highlight the fact that this was the ONE and ONLY example in the US mainstream media that honestly discussed the petroeuro issue circa 2001-2003...and now, 2.5 years later the European media has discussed this issue at depth, but not in the US media...I find that interesting and disconcerting 8) }

Fineman's White House sources would appear to have been reliable as that is precisely what has happened: when Iraqi oil exports resumed in June of last year, it was announced that payment would be in dollars only12 13 . It was also decided that the billions of Iraqi euros which were being held in a euro account, controlled by the UN under the oil-for-food programme, were to be transferred into the Development Fund for Iraq, a dollar account controlled by the US13 14 15 .

Furthermore, Youssef Ibrahim, a former senior Middle East correspondent for the New York Times and energy editor on the Wall Street Journal, who is a member of the influential Council on Foreign Relations, has called Iraq's switch to the euro 'another reason' for the war, saying that a general move by oil producers to the euro would be a 'catastrophe' for the US16 .

America's willingness to use violence to defend its economic interests does not seem to have reduced the number of oil exporters considering switching to the euro as they recognise that their use of the dollar enables the US to build up its military strength. In addition to Malaysia, Indonesia has the switch under consideration17 while Iran has been shifting its currency reserves into euros. Moreover, according to the Vice-President of the Iranian central bank, it has actually sold some of its oil to Europe for euros and is encouraging members of an Asian trade organisation, the Asian Clearing Union, to pay for Iranian oil in the European currency18 . Along with Malaysia, it is also at the forefront of efforts to establish a new gold-backed currency, the Islamic Gold Dinar, to be used in international trade amongst Muslim countries instead of both the dollar and the euro19 . In a further development, in June 2004, Iran announced that it had plans to establish an oil-trading market for Middle Eastern and OPEC producers which could threaten the dominance of London's International Petroleum Exchange and New York's Nymex20 . Such a move could help remove some of the technical difficulties that exist with a switch away from dollar-denomination of oil sales.


It is therefore not surprising to find that, just as with Iraq, the European Union and the US are dealing with Iran in very different ways. While the EU has been holding trade negotiations with Iran21 and involved in dialogue about its nuclear programme, the US has refused to get involved in direct talks with the Iranian government which it views as 'evil'. The American Enterprise Institute, a highly influential American 'think tank', has in fact been actively calling for 'regime change'22 and, although this policy has yet to be officially endorsed by the Bush administration, in July 2004 it was claimed in the British press that a senior official of the Bush administration had indicated that, if re-elected, Bush would intervene in the internal affairs of Iran in an attempt to overturn the Iranian government23 24 .

European enthusiasm for the 'petroeuro' also appears undampened by the US takeover of Iraq. Since the war, the European Union has been actively encouraging Russia, another opponent of the US invasion, to move to euro oil and gas sales. In October 2003, during a joint press conference with Germany's Prime Minister Gerhard Schroeder, the Russian President Vladimir Putin declared that Russia was thinking about selling its oil for euros. A few days later, the European Commission President, Romano Prodi, said, after a summit between Russia and the European Union, that Russia was now drawn to having its imports and exports denominated in euros25 26 .

In December 2003, speculation about the future roles of the dollar and the euro increased when OPEC Secretary General Alvaro Silva, a former Venezuelan oil minister, said that the organisation was now considering trading in euros or in a basket of currencies other than the dollar, as the US currency was declining in value27 . Although a few days later the Saudi oil minister Ali al-Naimi said that OPEC would not be discussing a switch to the euro at its next meeting (comments reinforced by the Qatari President of OPEC and the Algerian oil minister28 ), articles discussing a possible move continued to appear in the media29 30 and the euro's value against the dollar soared. Despite the speculation, no decision to move to the euro was taken at OPEC's meeting in early February 2004 and thereafter the euro's value fell back again.

In fact, close inspection of the dollar-euro exchange rate shows that since the euro's introduction in January 1999, petro-currency rivalry appears to have played an important part in swinging the rate one way or the other (see Graph). The markets, it seems, have noticed the importance of what is happening. On the other hand, the lack of an open discussion of the issues suggests that politicians and bankers are keen to move ahead with their plans with little or no explanation to the general public.

{see graph in original article}

http://www.ecb.int/stats/exchange/eurof ... .html#1999
1) January 1999: launch of the euro.

2) January 1999 ­ Oct 2000: euro in "bear market² versus the dollar.

3) November 2000: Iraq switches oil sales to euro. Euro's fall versus the dollar is halted.

4) April 2002: senior OPEC representative gives speech in which he states that OPEC would consider possibility of selling oil in euros.

5) April 2002 to May 2003: euro in "bull market" versus the dollar.

6) June 2003: US switches Iraqi oil sales back to dollar.

7) June 2003 to September 2003: euro falls versus dollar.

8 ) October 2003 to early February 2004: statements by Russian and OPEC politicians/officials that switch to euro for oil sales is being considered. Euro's value versus the dollar increases.

9) 10 February 2004: OPEC meets and no decision to switch to euro is taken.

10) February 2004 to May 2004: euro falls versus the dollar.

11) June 2004: Iran announces intention to establish oil-trading market to rival those of London and New York.

12) June 2004: euro's value versus the dollar begins to increase again.


Should we not, however, be debating more openly what kind (or kinds) of international financial structure(s) we want to adopt, since the question has potentially huge implications for the stability of the world economy and for peace and stability in oil-exporting countries? A good starting point for such a debate would be the recognition that no country or countries should be allowed to dominate the system by controlling the issuance of the currency or currencies used. Similarly fundamental would be to prevent any country from running a persistent trade surplus or deficit so as to avoid the build up of unjust subsidies, unpayable debts and economic instability. At Bretton Woods, John Maynard Keynes, who understood how important these two conditions were, proposed a system which would have met them, but his proposal was rejected in favour of the dollar31 .

The dollar, though, is no longer a stable, reliable currency: the IMF has warned that the US trade deficit is so bad that its currency could collapse at any time32 . Will we really have to wait for a full-blown dollar crisis before a public debate about creating a just and sustainable trading system can begin?

References
1. Howard Fineman, 'In Round 2, it's the dollar vs. euro', April 23 2003, Newsweek, http://www.msnbc.com/news/904353.asp?0s ... 21F4&cp1=1

2. Anon., 'Will the euro rule the roost?', January 1 1999, BBC News, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/events/the_l ... /inside_em u/225434.stm
3. David E. Spiro, The Hidden Hand of American Hegemony: Petrodollar Recycling and International Markets, Cornell University Press, 1999

4. Anon., 'EU says oil could one day be priced in euros', 16 June 2003, Reuters

5. Irene Kwek, 'EIA Says Oil Price Switch To Euro From Dollar Unlikely', 16 June 2003, Dow Jones Newswires

6. Recknagel, Charles, 'Iraq: Baghdad Moves to Euro', November 1 2000,Radio Free Europe, http://www.rferl.org/nca/features/2000/ ... 160846.asp

7. Faisal Islam, 'When will we buy oil in euros?', February 23 2003, The Observer, http://www.observer.co.uk/business/stor ... 67,00.html

8. William Clark, 'The Real Reasons for the Upcoming War With Iraq: A Macroeconomic and Geostrategic Analysis of the Unspoken Truth', January 2003, http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/RRiraqWar.html

9. Cóilín Nunan, 'Oil, currency and the war on Iraq', January 2003, http://www.feasta.org/documents/papers/oil1.htm

10. Anon., 'Iran may switch to euro for crude sale payments', Alexander Oil and Gas, September 5 2002, http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/news/ntm23638.htm

11. Hazel Henderson, 'Globocop v. Venezuela's Chavez: Oil, Globalization and Competing Visions of Development', April 2002, InterPress Service, http://www.hazelhenderson.com/Globocop% ... Chavez.htm

12. Carola Hoyos and Kevin Morrison, 'Iraq returns to international oil market', June 5 2003, Financial Times

13. Coalition Provisional Authority Regulation Number 2, http://www.cpa-iraq.org/regulations/ind ... egulations

14. UN Security Council Resolution 1483, http://www.un.org/Docs/sc/unsc_resolutions03.html

15. Judy Aita, 'U.N. Transfers Oil-for-Food Program to CPA, Iraqi Officials Nov 22', November 2003, Washington File, http://www.cpa-iraq.org/audio/20031122_ ... m-post.htm

16. Catherine Belton, 'Why not price oil in euros?', October 10 2003, Moscow Times

17. Kazi Mahmood, 'Economic Shift Could Hurt U.S.-British Interests In Asia', March 30 2003, IslamOnline.net

18. C. Shivkumar, 'Iran offers oil to Asian union on easier terms', June 16 2003, http://www.blonnet.com/2003/06/17/stori ... 380500.htm

19. Anon, 'Malaysia, Iran discuss the use of gold dinar', July 3 2003, Asia Times, http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_ ... 3Ae01.html

20. Terry Macalister, 'Iran takes on west's control of oil trading', June 16 2004, The Guardian, http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/stor ... 44,00.html

21. Hooman Peimani, 'EU and Iran talk trade, not war', June 7 2003, Asia Times, www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EF07AK02.html

22. Guy Dinmore, 'US lobbyists tune in for regime change in Iran', December 5 2003, Financial Times

23. Michael Binyon and Bronwen Maddox, 'US sets sights on toppling Iran regime', July 17 2004, The Times

24. Jennifer Johnston, 'Regime change in Iran now in Bush's sights', July 18 2004, The Sunday Herald, www.sundayherald.com/43461

25. Lisa Jucca and Melissa Akin, 'Europe Presses Russia on Euro', October 20 2003, Moscow Times

26. Simon Nixon, 'What's that in euros?', October 18 2003, The Spectator, www.spectator.co.uk/article.php3?table=old§ion=current&issue=2003-10-18&id=3619

27. Anon., 'OPEC may trade oil in euros to compensate for dollar decline', December 9 2003, Associated Press, http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_ ... 020008.htm

28. Anon., 'Saudi Arabia: Dollars only please', December 13 2003, Reuters, http://money.cnn.com/2003/12/13/news/in ... /bc.energy .saudi.reut/

29. Patrick Brethour, 'OPEC mulls move to euro for pricing crude oil', January 12 2004, Globe and Mail, http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/sto ... /Business/

30. Anon., 'To euro or not: should oil pricing ditch the dollar?', February 9 2004, AFP

31. Michael Rowbottom, Goodbye America! Globalisation, Debt and the Dollar Empire, Jon Carpenter Publishing, 2000

32. Charlotte Denny and Larry Elliott, 'IMF warns trade gap could bring down dollar', September 19 2003, The Guardian, http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/stor ... 93,00.html


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Re: "Petrodollar Warfare" William R. Clark

Postby Euric » Fri 25 Nov 2005, 10:14:12

Mr. Clark,

What bookstores are selling your book on their shelves? Or does one have to order it on-line? Do you know what the price range is?
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Re: "Petrodollar Warfare" William R. Clark

Postby whatpeak » Fri 25 Nov 2005, 10:31:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Euric', 'M')r. Clark,

What bookstores are selling your book on their shelves? Or does one have to order it on-line? Do you know what the price range is?

Euric,
I just bought a copy from Borders, but they had to order it. With a 20% store coupon it cost $14.36 new. Store inventory can be checked online.
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Re: "Petrodollar Warfare" William R. Clark

Postby Petrodollar » Thu 01 Dec 2005, 15:39:38

....today I found this nice, succinct review of the book, just an fyi for those who have expressed interest... :-D


http://www.hopedance.org/new/book_reviews/r160.html

PETRODOLLAR WARFARE:
Oil, Iraq and the Future of the Dollar

by William R. Clark
(New Society, 2005)

If you haven’t guessed from the title, this book is about oil. More specifically it’s about oil, neo-conservatism, U.S military power and where the three intersect. If you’re thinking that could make for some not-so-cheerful reading, you might be correct, but Petrodollar Warfare can also be described as an insightful book that should be required reading for anyone seeking to understand the war in Iraq. And though the subject of how neo-conservatives mapped out and implemented their strategy for oil and empire may seem dark and depressing, the book points out the obvious fact that we have the option of pursuing a different course to secure our energy needs.

Petrodollar Warfare started as an online essay written by William Clark in 2003 which won an award from Project Censored. The book expands on Clark’s original theme that the U.S economy relies heavily on the dollar’s status as the world’s reserve currency, accepted by the major oil producers and thus in demand by every nation that purchases petroleum. That dynamic was temporarily upset in October, 2000, when a leader by the name of Saddam Hussein abruptly announced that the euro would replace dollars as the currency for Iraq’s oil sales. The decision was largely ignored by the mainstream media but, according to Clark, may have contributed to Hussein’s downfall.

Clark’s tale of oil and empire is an important one and surprisingly underreported. He explains how the United States has, in effect, switched from a gold standard to an oil standard which relies on the willingness of major oil producers to price oil in dollars. As the U.S has acquired more and more debt, it has begun to rely less on the traditional “fundamentals” which sustained our economy, and more on the petrodollar system. We have also begun to rely more on “hard power,” another term for unilateral military action. Clark suggests that our heavy reliance on the petrodollar system means that a sudden shift to the euro by oil producers could cause massive inflation in the U.S.

Clark’s story of oil and empire would not be complete without mentioning the neo-conservatives who now make U.S policy. He explains how these disciples of Leo Strauss and Machiavelli went from outsiders writing obscure policy papers to insiders after the 2000 election. And of course, the events of 9/11/2001 provided an opportunity to test many of their theories.

While no one will accuse Petrodollar Warfare of being an overly optimistic book, it’s obvious throughout that there is a flip-side to the neo-conservative strategy. For example, Clark notes that instead of an energy policy that seeks to maintain a lifestyle of excessive consumption by force if necessary, we could pursue an energy policy which includes some sacrifice but also new possibilities and innovation. And the U.S could have sought to address Iraq’s switch to the euro and perceived threats from other nations seeking oil contracts in Iraq as a multilateral compromise.

The portrait that emerges again and again in this book is one of a nation not meeting the challenges of the future. There is no doubt that increasing demand for fossil fuels and declining reserves will require sacrifices in the future. The question is how will we meet that challenge. Will we use militarism and unilateral action to maintain our status in the world or will we make changes in our lifestyle while at the same time embracing the opportunities of a less fossil-fuel-dependent world.

William Clark has done an excellent job of researching a subject that has somehow slipped under the radar screen of our national discourse. But as the Iraq war drags on, it is more important than ever to have a clear understanding of the geo-political considerations which may be driving U.S policy. Mr. Clark’s narrative is an important contribution to that effort.

Brad Johnson is a frequent contributor and book reviewer.
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Re: "Petrodollar Warfare" William R. Clark

Postby Revi » Fri 02 Dec 2005, 14:25:02

Great book for those interested in the financial side of Peak Oil. We can all reduce our reliance on oil, but we all use dollars as the medium of exchange here in the US. The implications of this book could affect us far more. The fall of the petrodollar would be a real mess. It seems a real possibility after reading this book.
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Re: 'Petrodollar Warfare' William R. Clark

Postby Carlhole » Sun 04 Dec 2005, 13:00:38

This is a transcript of Part One of Webster Griffin Tarpley’s interview on KPFA’s Guns and Butter radio program.

This is a transcript of Part Two of Webster Griffin Tarpley’s interview on KPFA’s Guns and Butter radio program

Excerpted from a lengthy interview in April of 2005:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Webster Tarpley', 'M')onetary matters, monetary reform, the world monetary system is a much-neglected topic but I think an important one. The Dollar has the status of being a residual reserve currency. It was under Bretton Woods, and it still is. The posted price of oil and other raw materials is in Dollars. The main IMF-World Bank lending institutions work in Dollars. Most of world trade, or at least a lot of it is still financed through Dollar bills of exchange through the London Eurodollar market, so the Dollar is the thing, but it’s losing out because of the inherent bankruptcy of the US system.

Here you have the Dollar, it’s supposed to be a world currency, and you’re running a 500 or 600 or 750 billion dollar budget deficit… you’ve also got, probably more serious, a 750 billion dollar per year trade deficit. That’s with the outside world, that you can’t control. On the internal front it’s bad, but you can probably control it, but it’s the international trade deficit that’s really hurting.

So the Dollar is reaching the end of the line. There are right now 11 trillion dollars in outstanding dollar obligations in this world. And there’s nothing backing them up.

As Mahathir Mohammed of Malaysia says repeatedly, and I quote him, “The US dollar has no visible means of support except the illusion people have that it’s worth something.” Because there’s no production backing it up, the number of industrial workers in the United States is now below 10 million, for the first time since the 19th century, and this year, 2005; it’s taking another dive because the textile industry is being wrapped up.

It had been protected by some residual kinds of protectionist measures, import quotas, those have now been lifted, so the whole US textile industry is disappearing week by week as we go through 2005.

This country has lost all connection to the production of anything in the real world.

Financial services won’t hack it. Public Relations, Hollywood films… I’m sorry, these do not add up, you gotta produce real things, real physical commodities and the US is pretty much out of that business.

Now what’s gonna happen? Saddam’s crime was of course that he had dumped the dollar. He had switched from dollars to Euros, back in 2000, and he had been followed by N. Korea, they did it too as a political gesture. As of right now, to bring it up to date, the information we have is that Iran is planning to dump the Dollar in the coming months, and to set up an oil commodity exchange, denominated in Euros.

That would mean that the Dollar would no longer be usable to buy Iranian oil, only Euros, and that Bourse, that Comex of oil that the Iranians would presumably set up could be used by countries from all over the world, it would become an alternative to London and New York, denominated in Euros. That’s one.

The second one is Russia. Russia has been negotiating with Germany and the European Union now for a couple of years to do something very simple. In the trade of oil, when Russia sells oil to the EU, why does the EU have to pay with Dollars? They should pay with Euros. Better for Russia, the Euro is worth more, at least it’s more stable it doesn’t dwindle in value the way the Dollar has been doing.

And you can multiply this… I go basically through all the main oil producers, Venezuela is moving in a similar direction, Indonesia, similar kinds of debate going on, very strong desires to get out of the Dollar and into the Euro, maybe in some cases the Yen, too, that’s always possible.

If this happens, this is a cataclysmic event… the British Pound Sterling used to be the world reserve currency, from the time of Napoleon to the 1930’s, and it had a kind of residual half-life like the Dollar has today, into the 1950’s.

The end for the Pound came when Saudi Arabia said to the British, “No more Pounds, we want Dollars.” That was then. Now it’s gonna be, “No more Dollars, we want Euros.” And when that happens, there’ll be a stampede of countries desiring to do so. If that goes through, every Central Bank in the world will have to take its reserve holdings, and quickly get out of the Dollar and into the Euro. That will probably reduce the value of the Dollar to some fraction of what it is today.

A quarter? .30? .35? I don’t know, but some small fraction of what it is. It will also mean that those 11 trillion dollars in dollar holdings, stocks, bonds, equities and all that, those will be devalued by 75% to 70% or whatever it is, and it will reveal that the world is much poorer than anybody ever thought it was because all those Dollar things were not worth anything anyway. It’ll be a kind of a bankruptcy of the world.

The other aspect is though, that it will lead to colossal social dislocations in this country, because right now… the US is importing 750 billion dollars a year, and paying for it with green pieces of paper. Every other country in the world, more or less, has to earn foreign exchange to pay for imports. You wanna import, you gotta produce something that somebody wants to buy, and export it. You gotta get currency or gold or something and use that to buy your imports. The US has been exempt.

Now that is not good for us, it’s not desirable, that’s one of the reasons we have sinking standards of living, cut in half over 30 years, would be my finding, with a buyer of last resort, but that’s why everybody’s unemployed, that’s why you have a low wage economy, ‘cause there’s no imperative to produce something here, that you could sell, to buy your imports.

What happens when the world says, “No, we don’t want those green pieces of paper, pay us in Euros, earn some Euros, sell something in Euros, and then use those Euros to pay us. Get some gold and pay us with that, or something real, not Dollars.”

That will mean instead of being able to import 2 billion dollars a day of free goods, in effect, sending out the green pieces of paper, that flow will dry up to a significant degree. How much you can’t tell, but a lot.

At that point you will a tremendous economic and social crisis. And ultimately US foreign policy, this policy of threats and aggression and blackmail that we see is designed to convince anybody like Iran, that if they dare to dump the Dollar for the Euro, they’re gonna be defined as a ‘terra-ist’. And they’re gonna be on the hit list of the ‘War on Terror’. So, I think that’s the present situation in a nutshell.
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Re: 'Petrodollar Warfare' William R. Clark

Postby Euric » Sun 04 Dec 2005, 14:46:11

Petrodollar:

Do you plan to have your book published in other languages? Don't you think you will have a better chance of getting your message across and making a difference if people in countries outside the US or English speaking world had access to the facts you present?

It would be interesting if your book was translated into Farsi and Arabic and promoted in the heart of the OPEC land. Even into Spanish and Portuguese and sold in South America. The petrodollar system is the main reason the countries of South and Central America have been so poor for the past few decades and have never been able to able to rise to the level of the American middle class. Many once they realize the dollar was the reason they suffered so much they will help its demise even more.

Every country that strives to live the middle class dream and can't because the petrodollar keeps them down would benefit from the facts you present. There are 6 plus megapeople in the world and they all need to get the message.
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Re: 'Petrodollar Warfare' William R. Clark

Postby Armageddon » Tue 13 Dec 2005, 00:29:15

is oil being priced by iran in the borse, a reason why all this 'attack iran ' chatter is happening ? or is it to take over their oil fields because of PO ? or both ?
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Postby julianj » Tue 13 Dec 2005, 17:19:30

armageddon, please do a search, the Iran bourse has been discussed many times.

But, in a word, yes. If Iran was going to build 4000 nuclear reactors to create plutonium to build a zillion nukes under the sole command of one black-turbaned looney, there'd be less trouble.

"It's the petrodollar, stoopid."
(not directed at you armageddon)

PS IRAN HAS NO NUKES, IS AT LEAST 10 YEARS AWAY. DON'T BELIEVE THE MSM, AND HAS BEEN INSPECTED HEAVILY BY THE IAEA. THEY CAN'T BUILD THEM, ITS JUST A SMOKESCREEN.
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Re: 'Petrodollar Warfare' William R. Clark

Postby Armageddon » Tue 13 Dec 2005, 17:58:04

if pakistan and india have nukes, why is it so hard to realize that iran has nukes also ? all the former soviet union scientists had to go somewhere. I definately believe iran has nukes while we speak. If you have the money and desire ( which iran has ), a nuke would be easy to obtain.
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Postby Euric » Sat 17 Dec 2005, 22:24:15

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PS IRAN HAS NO NUKES, IS AT LEAST 10 YEARS AWAY. DON'T BELIEVE THE MSM, AND HAS BEEN INSPECTED HEAVILY BY THE IAEA. THEY CAN'T BUILD THEM, ITS JUST A SMOKESCREEN.


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if pakistan and india have nukes, why is it so hard to realize that iran has nukes also ? all the former soviet union scientists had to go somewhere. I definately believe iran has nukes while we speak. If you have the money and desire ( which iran has ), a nuke would be easy to obtain.


I agree with Armageddon on this one. Iran already processes nuclear weapons. with their oil wealth they can buy the nuclear weapons they need. Yes, in the future they may develop their own, but just because they have not developed any as of now, nor have they tested any as of now, does not mean they have none.

Lying about weapons of mass destruction worked as an excuse to invade Iraq. The American people took the bait. George bush thinks the American people are dumb enough to bite again. If he says that Iran's nuclear program is to develop weapons, the people will believe him. At least more so then not.

I'm sure if Iran were to test one of its purchased nukes and inform the world that it has thousands more just like it, George Bush would run scared and back off of Iran. Notice, very little is ever said of north Korea which does in fact have nuclear weapons.

The Iranians are not fools . They are setting the perfect trap for good old George. If they switch to the euro and George does nothing, then the world will witness the end of the American era. If George goes to war with Iran over the bourse, the Iranians will sink George's ships in the Gulf, and decimate his troops. Either way George looses. Damned if he does and dammed if he doesn't.
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Re: 'Petrodollar Warfare' William R. Clark

Postby julianj » Sun 18 Dec 2005, 13:10:51

Hi all,

Just because you "believe" Iran has nukes doesn't make it true.

If you have any evidence, please post it.

They are inspected up the wazoo by the IAEA. They have also repeatedly stated that they only want nuclear energy for peaceful purposes, and as it seems that part of their energy establishment realises peak is near and they know their oilfields are in decline, they want to be able to power their society on a diminishing energy base.

It isn't likely that someone could sell them nukes without it being known about - especially Pakistan, parts of whose secret service have very close contacts with the CIA.

I suggest you keep up with Gordon Prather's posts on

Antiwar.com

Where I do agree with Euric is the sabres are rattling against Iran, and although I think no sensible government would start another middle east war, I don't classify Bushco as anything other than crazy and dangerous.
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Re: 'Petrodollar Warfare' William R. Clark

Postby Petrodollar » Wed 28 Dec 2005, 16:21:24

Last weekend I found this short but decent review of the book, just an fyi...

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')Petrodollar Warfare
By William R. Clark
New Society Publishers,
British Columbia, Canada, 2005

Petrodollar Warfare author William Clark is no stranger to exposing the connections between the international movement of money and military forces. He has received two Project Censored awards, given for important stories that have been ignored by the mainstream media, for his research on the Iraq War.

Clark acknowledges that he has written a controversial book that is bound to be dismissed by those who believe that "challenges surrounding US economic and energy problems provide a legitimate rationale for applying unilateral military force against Iraq." But his solid belief that "the citizenry be sufficiently informed of real challenges facing their nation, so they might rationally discuss and publicly debate such issues" and "the almost complete lack of critical debate within the U.S. media and society" regarding the Iraq War moved him to put his extensive research into this important book.

While it it currently acknowledged that weapons inspectors found no evidence that Iraq was reconstituting its weapons of mass destruction (WMD) program, this was not a new finding to the administration of President George W. Bush. Clark reveals that there were over 400 unfettered prewar UN inspections during which no evidence of a WMD program was ever found in Iraq.

Clark states, in no uncertain terms with substantial research to back his claims, that the war in Iraq is a "war to gain control over Iraq's hydrocarbon reserves and, in doing so, maintain the US dollar as the monopoly currency for the critical international oil market." Even seasoned anti-war activists know little of this connection between US currency and war.

Clark says the Iraq War is - and always has been - about "retaining the dollar as the world's reserve currency, and it is also about securing its continued use as a mechanism for effortless US credit expansion and global supremacy." The war will also result in the "installation of numerous US military bases in Iraq to gain strategic dominance of the region with the largest remaining hydrocarbon reserves on the planet." With over 500 detailed references, Clark establishes his claims with solid sources.

Starting with the post-World War II era, Petrodollar Warfare details the United States' careful channeling of oil wealth and the issuance of World Reserve Currency. Evidence is then presented about how the 2003 Iraq War was about securing U.S. bases in the center of the Persian Gulf before the onset of global Peak Oil, the point at which oil supplies are in decline. U.S. and UK energy supplies are already in permanent decline while Iraq and Saudi Arabia are "predicted to be the last to reach peak oil production."

Clark then explains the details behind the challenges to "US economic hegemony" and gives the reader a solid background in understanding this little understood policy. The book's final chapters present various policy alternatives that anyone feeling unsettled about US foreign policy choices would do well to read.

Whether you are a seasoned anti-war activist, a supporter of what you think you know of US foreign policy, or someone who simply wants to understand how we have arrived at this unsettling time in history, Petrodollar Warfare will be a welcome addition to your library. It will help fill the void that so many of us feel in the pit of our stomachs about how we got into this mess - and what this mess is all about.

Reviewed by Jackie Alan Giuliano, Ph.D.
Email him at: jackie@deepteaching.com


http://www.ens-books.com/reviews/petrodollarreview.html
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Re: 'Petrodollar Warfare' William R. Clark

Postby Cojock » Wed 28 Dec 2005, 20:01:45

There appear to be a few misconceptions re the Iran Oil Bourse.

Firstly, the reason for its genesis was nothing to do with what currency oil is traded in and everything to do with the fact that producers and consumers were and are suffering at the hands of intermediary oil traders, particularly investment banks, and now hedge funds.

Although absolute levels of oil prices are based upon supply and demand, the level of volatility has been way too high due to systemic market manipulation resulting in massive hedging losses.

It's a phenomenon J K Galbraith called "the Bezzle" - where the losers do not know they are losing.... It means that the derivative tail has been wagging the oil market dog, and in fact oil markets are - courtesy of hedge funds - an accident waiting to happen, probably next Winter. Why? Because unlike the LTCM hedge fund debacle in financial markets, the Fed can't print oil to bail people out......

What reason do I have for saying this? Simply that the Iranian authorities accepted my arguments - as a former Director of the International Petroleum Exchange - some 4 years ago, and subsequently appointed my consortium to carry out a Feasibility study.

www.opencapital.net/papers/Iranexchange.pdf

In fact, it really does not matter what currency oil is sold in: that's merely a transactional issue.

What matters is what assets (or rather, liabilities) the proceeds are invested in. Where Mr Clark has a point.

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Re: 'Petrodollar Warfare' William R. Clark

Postby Cojock » Wed 28 Dec 2005, 20:02:00

There appear to be a few misconceptions re the Iran Oil Bourse.

Firstly, the reason for its genesis was nothing to do with what currency oil is traded in and everything to do with the fact that producers and consumers were and are suffering at the hands of intermediary oil traders, particularly investment banks, and now hedge funds.

Although absolute levels of oil prices are based upon supply and demand, the level of volatility has been way too high due to systemic market manipulation resulting in massive hedging losses.

It's a phenomenon J K Galbraith called "the Bezzle" - where the losers do not know they are losing.... It means that the derivative tail has been wagging the oil market dog, and in fact oil markets are - courtesy of hedge funds - an accident waiting to happen, probably next Winter. Why? Because unlike the LTCM hedge fund debacle in financial markets, the Fed can't print oil to bail people out......

What reason do I have for saying this? Simply that the Iranian authorities accepted my arguments - as a former Director of the International Petroleum Exchange - some 4 years ago, and subsequently appointed my consortium to carry out a Feasibility study.

www.opencapital.net/papers/Iranexchange.pdf

In fact, it really does not matter what currency oil is sold in: that's merely a transactional issue.

What matters is what assets (or rather, liabilities) the proceeds are invested in. Where Mr Clark has a point.

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Re: 'Petrodollar Warfare' William R. Clark

Postby lakeweb » Wed 28 Dec 2005, 23:07:11

(as well as all the other stuff)

I don't see the big deal in the Euro. We sneeze and they still catch cold. Just look at how their economic activity lags ours. Take Germany out of the mix and what is left looks like a third world country.

Their public debt is not that pretty, if it is about public debt:

http://www.eubusiness.com/Finance/051214130216.mbwocr4z

If anything, their public debt isn't as widely held (in percentages of local) as ours is by central banks. But that can be eaten up real fast considering scale.

I say leave Iran alone. But who am I? Political statements must be made, I guess...

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Re: 'Petrodollar Warfare' William R. Clark

Postby Petrodollar » Thu 29 Dec 2005, 11:19:14

Mr. Cook,
Thank you for your post and insight into the origin of the IOB. However, I must respectfully disagree with the following comment:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n fact, it really does not matter what currency oil is sold in: that's merely a transactional issue.


This is not simply a transactional issue, which suggests a one-dimensional perspective. The petrocurrency issue is actually a multi-dimensional issue with several macroeconomic effects. I will mention 3 effects that must be considered regarding petrodollar recycling, etc.

1. First is the issue of currency risk. When OPEC uses a pricing band (i.e. $22-28 per barrel) in a single currency, the issuer/nation of that currency is immune to currency risk for their monthly "oil bill." In otherwords, for decades, US citizens were immune to fluctutaions of the dollar's valuation relative to other currencies on the FX markets. As long as oil is priced in dollars, and OPEC agreed to a price band, the US enjoyed the lack of currency risk for oil prices at the pump.

Note: A tangetial benefit is that without oil currency risk, the issuer/nation of a monopoly petrocurrency can enjoy very low taxes on their gasoline/petrol prices. This lack of risk is why the US can afford to have the lowest taxes on gasoline of the G7/G10 nations, while the rest of the industrialized world builds a "price cushion" via higher gasoline taxes. Otherwise, depending on what happened in the FX markets on any given day, the price of gas at the pump could/would be very very volatile. So, most gov'ts simply add a bunch of taxes to the price of oil, thereby mitigating societal discord...(remember what happened due to extreme currency risk in the EU circa Sept 2000? - see below for details). Of course these gasoline taxes also provide a steady source on income for the central gov't given the relatively inelasticity for oil demand/consumption..but I digress from the main issue here...

A stable oil bill is likely one of the reasons why the EU would prefer a euro-based oil transaction option. One interesting development during the US presidential campaign in the autumn of 2000 was a small spike in global oil prices. Indeed, the EU experienced a rather painful period 5 years ago when the euro was at its lowest point relative to the dollar.

Americans were mostly ignorant of the dramatic effects of higher gasoline (or petrol) prices in Europe. These high fuel prices in the autumn of 2000 occurred when the relatively new euro was at its historic low against the dollar (one euro was worth about 82 cents). The French, Germans, Spanish, Greeks, and related eurozone nations not only experienced an increase in fuel prices due to a dip in oil production, but they also felt the brutal effects of currency risk caused by the euro’s relatively low valuation.

The situation in Western Europe during September 2000 was in many ways reminiscent of the fuel crisis in the US of 1973–1974 and 1979. Indeed, the European economy nearly ground to a halt, and there were strong civil protests over the high gasoline/petrol prices. The crisis lasted only a few days but nearly led to violence. In France, fishermen blockaded ports on the English Channel because their fuel costs had doubled, even though their fuel was already tax free. Schools were closed, hospitals were put on red alert, and supermarkets started rationing bread. Transportation came to a near standstill in much of Western Europe. CBS News reported how events unfolded in Germany and elsewhere within the eurozone,

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')housands of truckers from across Germany clogged the streets around the capital’s center Tuesday demanding relief from higher gas prices. And they got some when the government offered low-interest loans to some trucking companies. …The protest is the biggest so far in Germany, on the heels of demonstrations that halted traffic in France, Britain and Spain before easing in recent days. Elsewhere Tuesday, minor blockages continued in Spain, where markets ran out of fish, and Greek motorists fearing for shortages due to trucker strikes lined up for gas.


Protests also erupted in France where thousands of farmers drove their tractors into Paris as a sign of their displeasure at the rapid increase in fuel prices. This resulted in the deployment of French riot police. News reports of the economic fallout also included disruptions in the UK, Spain, and Greece.

Here are some pictures/articles of what oil currency risk looks like...


"Fuel protests continue across Europe" Sept 13, 2000
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/921456.stm

"World Fuel Crisis" Sept 2000
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/wor ... efault.stm

“French Fuel Dispute Escalates,” CNN News, September 7, 2000, http://edition.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europ ... ance.fuel/.

"Pumps Run Dry Amid Fuel Protests," CNN News, September 4, 2000
http://edition.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europ ... index.html

At the time, the euro was beginning its widespread use, and the EU’s currency risk for their imported oil was dramatic. European governments appear to have sought strategies to mitigate future economic crises stemming from oil currency risk. In June 2001, the EU asked OPEC and non-OPEC to begin preparations for oil to be paid in euros.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he European Parliament … calls on the EU, in dialogue with the OPEC and non-OPEC countries, to prepare the way for payment for oil in euros.

– European Parliament resolution on the Communication from the Commission on the European Union’s oil supply, June 14, 2001


Responding to their desire for a petroeuro, an OPEC executive gave a rather important speech in 2002 that addressed this issue of currency risk...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')...From the EU’s point of view, it is clear that Europe would prefer to see payments for oil shift from the dollar to the euro, which effectively removed the currency risk...

...In the long-term, perhaps one question that comes to mind is could a dual system operate simultaneously? Could one pricing system apply to the Western Hemisphere in dollars and for the rest of the world in euros .... Should the euro challenge the dollar in strength, which essentially could include it in the denomination of the oil bill, it could be that a system may emerge which benefits more countries in the long-term."

- Javad Yarjani, Head of OPEC’s Petroleum Market Analysis Department, in a speech to Spanish officials, April 2002


2. Macroeconomic effects on the demand/liquidity value of monopoly Petrocurrency and subsequent ability of a central bank to expand credit/debt financing. I will simply refer to a couple of paragraph's of Dr. Spiro's excellent research on this issue. Again, this is not a one-dimensional transaction issue, but a huge macroeconomic issue, which the CIA is fully cognizant of...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o long as OPEC oil was priced in US dollars, and so long as OPEC invested the dollars in US government instruments, the US government enjoyed a double loan. The first part of the loan was for oil. The government could print dollars to pay for oil, and the American economy did not have to produce goods and services in exchange for the oil until OPEC used the dollars for goods and services. Obviously, the strategy could not work if dollars were not a means of exchange for oil.

The second part of the loan was from all other economies that had to pay dollars for oil but could not print currency. Those economies had to trade their goods and services for dollars in order to pay OPEC. Again, so long as OPEC held the dollars rather than spending them, the US received a loan. It was therefore important to keep OPEC oil priced in dollars at the same time that the government officials continued to recruit Arab funds.

See: David E. Spiro, The Hidden Hand of American Hegemony: Petrodollar Recycling and International Markets, Cornell University Press, 1999, pp. 121-122.

Statements during 2002 by the former US ambassador to Saudi Arabia to member of the US Congress hint that some may question why they should be “so kind” to the US in pricing oil exclusively in the dollar.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ne of the major things the Saudis have historically done, in part out of friendship with the United States, is to insist that oil continues to be priced in dollars. Therefore, the US Treasury can print money and buy oil, which is an advantage no other country has. With the emergence of other currencies and with strains in the relationship, I wonder whether there will not again be, as there have been in the past, people in Saudi Arabia who raise the question of why they should be so kind to the United States.

It is doubtful that US Congress members at this committee meeting missed the subtle warning that was carefully articulated about petrodollars versus petroeuros...

3rd effect, and this is rather important, we should note that petrocurrency denotes world reserve currency status. Oil is the natrual resource that drives all industrailized economies. If the euro becomes entrenched as an alternative oil transaction currency, then the euro becomes a defacto 2nd world reserve currency on par with the dollar. This has geopolitical and macroecomic issues, which are briefly alluded to in these quotes...


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')audi Arabia’s Prince Muhammad Bin-Turki Bin-Abdallah Bin-Abd-al-Rahman said … rather than resorting to an [oil] embargo … he argues that a more effective punishment for the United States, Israel’s principal source of financial and political support, would be to change the currency in which oil is traded from the dollar to the euro, something that Iraq has already done. This option, he said, is a strategic and rational one, compared with cutting off production, and it is purely commercial. The Arab countries have the right to choose the currency, just as it is the right of consumer countries to choose to deal with oil-exporting countries. [

– “Protest by Switching Oil Trade from Dollar to Euro,” Oil and Gas International, (US), April 15, 2002


"In the real world … the one factor underpinning American prosperity is keeping the dollar the World Reserve Currency. This can only be done if the oil producing states keep oil priced in dollars, and all their currency reserves in dollar assets. If anything put the final nail in Saddam Hussein’s coffin, it was his move to start selling oil for Euros."

– Richard Benson, “Oil, the Dollar, and US Prosperity,” www.prudentbear.com, August 2003


"There were only two credible reasons for invading Iraq: control over oil and preservation of the dollar as the world's reserve currency."

– John Chapman, “The Real Reasons Bush Went to War,” the Guardian (UK), July 2004


'A switch away from the oil-dollar nexus would be (of) major strategic and political significance, said a senior official with an international economic agency who declined to be identified. …[the senior official said] ‘This would be considered by the U.S. as an unfriendly act.’

— “OPEC Boost Euro Deposits Over Dollars,” Washington Times, December 8, 2004

....and one last note, I think the Iranians are also aware of these issues...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n 2002 Iran introduced a proposal to receive payments for crude oil sales to Europe in euros instead of US dollars. According to Iranian sources, this decision was “based primarily on economics, but politics are still likely to be a factor in any decision … as Iran uses the opportunity to hit back at the US government, which recently labeled it part of an ‘axis of evil.’” An Iranian parliamentary representative was quoted as saying “There is a very good chance MPs will agree to this idea …. Now that the euro is stronger, it is more logical.”

“Economics Drive Iran Euro Oil Plan, Politics Also Key,” IranExpert, August 23, 2002, http://www.iranexpert.com/2002/economic ... august.htm.


Dr. Mojarrad implied] the switch to the euro, which as done during the last few months had helped [Iran] to negate the effects of a depreciating dollar and falling international oil prices. He said that if the country had continued its receipts in dollars, it would have meant large losses, which would have translated into domestic inflation.

This was because large volumes of its imports are … sourced from Europe. The Iranian central bank was keen to avert that situation and had consequently adopted the euro-denominated payments to ensure that the losses were minimised. The country had also resorted to managing its reserves to minimize the effects of the depreciating dollar.

C. Shivkumar, “Iran Offers Oil to Asian Union on Easier Terms,” Hindu Business Line, June 16, 2003, http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/bli ... 380500.htm.
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Re: 'Petrodollar Warfare' William R. Clark

Postby Guest » Fri 30 Dec 2005, 13:48:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lakeweb', '(')as well as all the other stuff)

I don't see the big deal in the Euro. We sneeze and they still catch cold. Just look at how their economic activity lags ours. Take Germany out of the mix and what is left looks like a third world country.


That is because the petrodollar system allows the US to hide its poverty. I think you really need to visit any major city and more then one in the US to see how third world America really is. Even the homes in the post-WWII suburbs are starting to look like run down.

The EU doesn't receive the same free ride the US does due to the petrodollar. So of course when the US sneezes the EU catches the flu. That is why the EU and others are planing to end the petrodollar system, in the hope that it will result in a more balanced world economy.

If the US didn't have the advantage of the petrodollar, do you think the government would be happy to export America's manufacturing base to China or elsewhere? do you think the US consumer would be able to support its insatiable credit habit?

You really need to look back at what you wrote and put it in the perspective of how the petrodollar makes all that possible and what will happen when the petrodollar comes to an end. It won't be the EU or the world catching a cold, it will be the US catching pneumonia.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')heir public debt is not that pretty, if it is about public debt:

http://www.eubusiness.com/Finance/051214130216.mbwocr4z

If anything, their public debt isn't as widely held (in percentages of local) as ours is by central banks. But that can be eaten up real fast considering scale.


Every country has debts. It is a countries ability to finance those debts that determines whether a country is economically weak or strong. The EU and others finance their economies from manufacturing and trade. The US finances its debts by recycling petrodollars.

When the euro becomes a petrocurrency, then the financing of US debts will either diminish substantially or completely. The EU will see an increase in it being able to finance its debts. Thus the US will suffer economic hardship and the EU will have funds to pay off its debts and of course incur more.

Once this happens, the rest of the world will see that the oil currency is important and the country(ies) that possess it are the ones that have stable economies.



$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') say leave Iran alone. But who am I? Political statements must be made, I guess...

Best, Dan.


It is the US who is doesn't want Iran left alone. They don't want Iran going to the euro because the US can't finance itself if Iran starts a move away from the petrodollar system. The EU wants the same backing the US is getting from the petrodollar for itself, so it is going to support Iran's move to the petroeuro.

The US not wanting to share the oil currency is the real problem behind antagonizing Iran.
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