[Lokutus]

Why not?

With gas prices falling, everyone is laughing at me.

So, I'm considering switching to one of the survivalist sites where everyone is all concerned about black helicopters from the UN hovering above their houses.

Anyone want to join me?

[JayBee]

Yeah, I think you need a more certain conspiracy theory.

Something that everyone can agree on, UN takeover of the world, lizardmen, no men on the moon etc.

Join a militia unit or the KKK or work as an intern for David Icke or something. Looks like you need a wacky mentor to put you on the right track.

PO is a bit boring. You sound like a young chap in need of action. Buy a gun and fill the air with lead near your local McDonalds.

Make up your own theory. Personally, I think all chewing gum is drugged. The only people chewing the revolting stuff are brain dead zombies. Branch out on your own. The world is not so over populated that you can't find your own nutty niche.

[Lokutus]

Thanks for believing in me. Maybe I do need to invent my own doomsday vision?

It could be something like "crop-circle stomping zombie army preparing to devour humanity in bloody cannibalistic orgy!"

Whadyathink?

[seahorse]

You need reassurance bc you aren't taking time to read the facts and come to your own conclusions. Until you do that, you will always need reassurance that you are right, no matter what it is you believe.

However, as for all those friends that laugh at you for believing in PO, ask how many of them believe in God. For those that do believe in God, ask them for the proof, bc there is none, yet they believe. The point is to show that anyone can believe in anything with or without proof. These same friends probably also believe in the logical fallacy that, just bc the sun rose yesterday, it will rise tomorrow, but for those who understand logic, just bc the sun has risen every morning that we know of, that doesn't mean it will rise tomorrow.

However, if you are looking for proof to support your belief iin peak oil, I assure you that there is far more proof of peak oil than there is of a God. If you don't see that, then you have read the various forums on this sight very carefully.

As to your friends saying falling gas prices mean there is no peak oil, this is a logical fallacy. No one argues that gas prices don't fluctuate, the question is, why are they always rising? Ask yourself why gas prices have risen every year since the year 2000? Remember, if you will, that in 1999, your friends and you were paying .99 per gallon in the United States. Now you and your friends are paying, on average, about $2.20 per gallon. Why? Until they can tell you why, and until you can answer this simple question, you will need reassurance that no one can give you about peak oil.

[Lokutus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse', 'Y')ou need reassurance bc you aren't taking time to read the facts and come to your own conclusions. Until you do that, you will always need reassurance that you are right, no matter what it is you believe.

However, as for all those friends that laugh at you for believing in PO, ask how many of them believe in God. For those that do believe in God, ask them for the proof, bc there is none, yet they believe. The point is to show that anyone can believe in anything with or without proof. These same friends probably also believe in the logical fallacy that, just bc the sun rose yesterday, it will rise tomorrow, but for those who understand logic, just bc the sun has risen every morning that we know of, that doesn't mean it will rise tomorrow.

However, if you are looking for proof to support your belief iin peak oil, I assure you that there is far more proof of peak oil than there is of a God. If you don't see that, then you have read the various forums on this sight very carefully.

As to your friends saying falling gas prices mean there is no peak oil, this is a logical fallacy. No one argues that gas prices don't fluctuate, the question is, why are they always rising? Ask yourself why gas prices have risen every year since the year 2000? Remember, if you will, that in 1999, your friends and you were paying .99 per gallon in the United States. Now you and your friends are paying, on average, about $2.20 per gallon. Why? Until they can tell you why, and until you can answer this simple question, you will need reassurance that no one can give you about peak oil.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse', 'Y')ou need reassurance bc you aren't taking time to read the facts and come to your own conclusions. Until you do that, you will always need reassurance that you are right, no matter what it is you believe.

However, as for all those friends that laugh at you for believing in PO, ask how many of them believe in God. For those that do believe in God, ask them for the proof, bc there is none, yet they believe. The point is to show that anyone can believe in anything with or without proof. These same friends probably also believe in the logical fallacy that, just bc the sun rose yesterday, it will rise tomorrow, but for those who understand logic, just bc the sun has risen every morning that we know of, that doesn't mean it will rise tomorrow.

However, if you are looking for proof to support your belief iin peak oil, I assure you that there is far more proof of peak oil than there is of a God. If you don't see that, then you have read the various forums on this sight very carefully.

As to your friends saying falling gas prices mean there is no peak oil, this is a logical fallacy. No one argues that gas prices don't fluctuate, the question is, why are they always rising? Ask yourself why gas prices have risen every year since the year 2000? Remember, if you will, that in 1999, your friends and you were paying .99 per gallon in the United States. Now you and your friends are paying, on average, about $2.20 per gallon. Why? Until they can tell you why, and until you can answer this simple question, you will need reassurance that no one can give you about peak oil.

[seahorse]

So true TWilliam. Americans are zombie hordes. Websters 9th Collegiate Dictionary defines a zombie as "a person remarkedly strange in appearance or behavior." It also defines a zombie as "a will-less and speechless human in the West Indies capable only of automated movement who is held to have . . . been drugged into a catalepsy for the hours of interment."

I think the average American, always referred to as the American consumer with good reason, can be defined as a zombie under either of the above definitions. Their extreme obsesity, super sized meals, and unheard of consumerism certainly qualifies them as a zombie under the first definition, and their addiction to t.v., reality t.v. that is and celebrity trials, with no concern for gas prices, politics, or will to vote in any appreciable numbers, certainly qualifies them as zombies under definition number two (excepting the West Indies part of the definition).

Unfortunately, those zombie hordes are led by zombies like Michael Lynch. The problem with any zombie, including Lynch, is that facts don't get through the drugged out head. For example, in 2004, Lynch predicted that oil prices would drop to $30 a barrel by the summer of 2005. Wrong! They shot above $60 a barrel, but what do you expect from a zombie?

Lokutus, let the "drugs" wear off, turn off the t.v., quit going to Sonic, turn off the MTV, the Fox News Channel, don't supersize your meals, read, subsribe to the Oil and Gas Journal, which did a series on peak oil last year, subscribe to Rigzone Magazine, read the EIA reports, read the IEA reports, read the OPEC monthly production charts and see that OPEC does not produce any more oil today than it did in 2004 (despite public claims to the contrary), and last, tell me how much you are paying for gas now, and how much you paid in 1999, and then explain to me why the difference? Then, I'll tell you if you are a still a zombie.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse', 'T')hen, I'll tell you if you are a still a zombie.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', 'W')hy not?

With gas prices falling, everyone is laughing at me.

So, I'm considering switching to one of the survivalist sites where everyone is all concerned about black helicopters from the UN hovering above their houses.

Anyone want to join me?

[Aaron]

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron's sig', '_')________________
Think of how stupid the average person is, then realize that half of them are stupider than that.

[seahorse]

aaron,

I'm always interested in these "inflation" charts. I read some good critiques on them, bc the charts, like all charts, are based on plugged in numbers. First, who compiled this particular chart? Do you know what inflation rate they plugged in? How they valued the dollar?

There was an interesting counter-argument I read, although don't completely understand, that these inflation charts are skewed bc they don't take into account a dollar that has decreased in value over the same time period. That these charts only use the rising cost of goods using gov't inflation numbers (arguably skewed in and of themselves) but don't take into consideration the fact that the dollar has decreased in value over that same period of time. I'm probably not doing the argument justice. Any thoughts?

[bobaloo]

You know, with a little practice, it doesn't have to be an "either-or" thing. Just believe in Peak Oil AND black helicopters, lizard creatures, chemtrails, the Mark of the Beast and whatever the heck you want.

You can only worry about one end of the world secenario for so long, sometimes you just need to take a break and worry about a different one for a while!

[Specop_007]

People assume Peak Oil is Peak Energy.
It is not.

Peak oil is real, peak energy (Which peak oil is correlated too) is a myth.

To put it simply, nothing is going to change except how we get our energy.

[katkinkate]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', '.')..I'm considering switching to one of the survivalist sites where everyone is all concerned about black helicopters from the UN hovering above their houses....

[katkinkate]

[sub]Edited: Sorry just me being ridiculous.[/sub]

[Lokutus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'P')eople assume Peak Oil is Peak Energy.
It is not.

Peak oil is real, peak energy (Which peak oil is correlated too) is a myth.

To put it simply, nothing is going to change except how we get our energy.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'P')eople assume Peak Oil is Peak Energy.
It is not.

Peak oil is real, peak energy (Which peak oil is correlated too) is a myth.

To put it simply, nothing is going to change except how we get our energy.

[Lokutus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'P')eople assume Peak Oil is Peak Energy.
It is not.

Peak oil is real, peak energy (Which peak oil is correlated too) is a myth.

To put it simply, nothing is going to change except how we get our energy.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'P')eople assume Peak Oil is Peak Energy.
It is not.

Peak oil is real, peak energy (Which peak oil is correlated too) is a myth.

To put it simply, nothing is going to change except how we get our energy.