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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby AmericanEmpire » Fri 16 Dec 2005, 19:53:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')ot Kids?


No, and I consider that a big plus because I wouldn't want to have to worry bout taking care of kids when TSHTF.

I'm sure if I had kids I'd probably be a lot more reluctant to entertain the idea of suicide since I'd feel a responsibility to stick around for them.
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby PrairieMule » Fri 16 Dec 2005, 20:00:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AmericanEmpire', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')ot Kids?


No, and I consider that a big plus because I wouldn't want to have to worry bout taking care of kids when TSHTF.

I'm sure if I had kids I'd probably be a lot more reluctant to entertain the idea of suicide since I'd feel a responsibility to stick around for them.


How old is your wife?
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby AmericanEmpire » Fri 16 Dec 2005, 21:42:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow old is your wife?


30 years old.
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby sameu » Fri 16 Dec 2005, 21:57:16

well, I'm going to survive

at least I'm planning on doing that

Not that I'm preparing (I should though), but the fact that I'm aware of PO and the possible consequences gives me a huge advantage in regard to the millions and billions of people who don't know shit and will waste their time with things (like protesting for lower oilprices to say something) that are completely useless.
We already made the intellectual excercise of trying to foresee the possible (personal) consequences ánd solutions.
Furthermore, I succeeded in getting one of my friends PO aware, and to my surprise (well not completely cause he's intelligent) he's taking it rather serious. Just like other friends and my mother are not fully aware of PO, but at least they're not in complete denial.
Why is this important? when TSHTF, you'll need people to help you (and vice versa), people who are on the 'realising what's happening-side', who can make the right decisions or support you in the right decisions.
It's a bit like being in a huge ballroom filled with people with your friends and family and you don't know exactly when, but within the hour there'll be a big fire in the ballroom. Only the fact that you have this piece of information and you can share this with your friends and family will certainly increase your chances on survival.
Some people will leave the room, some will check where the emergency exits are, some will move closer to an exit, some will decide to stay sober, some will check their shoe laises (?), all small and big things you can do. Some who don't have the 'inside information' will be lucky cause they're standing next to an exit, some who do have the information will get trampled anyway.
Either way, you won't be panicking cause you already know there will be shit. And as far as I know, not panicking and keeping your head cool is a big advantage when you have life important decisions to make.
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby Revi » Sun 18 Dec 2005, 00:13:29

Start to do something. You'll feel better. Even if the ship is going down, don't you think you'll improve you chances if you tie as many deck chairs together as you can? Also, you'll be so focused on your preparations you won't have any time to worry about what's coming up.

Sufficient to the day is the trouble therin.

Deal with whatever you can today, and get up tomorrow and deal with whatever you can do.

I lived in Central America in the early 80's. In a military dictatorship. Starving people, brutal, violent, scary. But people lived one day at a time. When you said see you tomorrow they would all say "Si dios quiere" (God willing) They lived one day at a time. I felt the same way. I'd be riding along on my motorcycle in the mountains thinking that my life may be over around the next corner, but right now it is about as beautiful as it gets. Peak oil may be like that. Stick around and see the show! You never know what the next day will hold.
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby PrairieMule » Mon 19 Dec 2005, 17:41:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AmericanEmpire', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow old is your wife?


30 years old.


Well, if you havent figured it out yet, most married women(in my observation) at age 30 will talk about nothing else other than babies. Even if you have just one, it makes the whole ride of life worth it.

Listen, I don't want to try play shrink-because I am not. Plus I don't really know you or your situation. I just hate to see anyone post things like that. I am aware of how bad the possible future outcomes could be and in fact I have heard of things that could happen that are worse than post nuclear dieoff. It's not that I ignore the depth of the of the rabbit hole, I choose to hang on in spite of it and so should you.
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby RacerJace » Mon 19 Dec 2005, 18:59:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Got Kids?


Yes, and a lovingly devoted wife. And that would have to be my single most motivating reason to survive a period of famine and marauding.

When I was a kid I felt I wouldn't live to see 30 years old. Not sure why, maybe it was a troubled childhood (divorced parents etc) and the oil shock of the late 70's that influenced me. But even though I've now grown up and lived to see 36 years old, married, had children and lived the typical middle class life I still hold that feeling of mortality. Except today it has crystallized in the post peak oil scenario.

I don't know if I will live to see tomorrow.. none of us does. So I just live each day as it comes. I don't bust a nut trying to do everything in one day and I don't sit on my arse just waiting to die. I cherish my family and I try to enjoy my share of what is available now and save some for the future if possible/practical. Given my current lifestyle and level of fittness I don't think I'd last too long. But if I'm forced into a survival mode I think I'd pick up pretty quickly.. come to think of it nows a good time to start workin off this beer gut and getting back into shape.

FYI here's my hazy view of the future....

I don't expect a mass 'die off' to be sudden even though it is a most probable outcome in the long term. Once the severe economic recessions hit and deepen (my guess is within the next 5 years) I expect there will be a plateau period where our emergency reserves will be consumed.

Beyond that, over a number of years (maybe 10 - 20) I'd expect there will be a rapidly widening gap between the rich and the poor, with massively increasing numbers of poor, a proportional increase in crime and, if the government (or an alternative leadership) is unable to intervene with some sort of rationing and resource management, then the cycle of depression will continue to deepen until we reach a total breakdown of society as we know it.

This scenario would eventually see isolated pockets of wealth and continuing technology under tight security and some scattered life boats of permeculture communities in locations that have sufficient resources (fresh water, fertile soil, seed etc) would be easy to protect from marauders. Outside the secure wealth zones the law of the time would revert to survival of the fittest. By 2050 survival would not only be a tribal fight for limited resources it would also be survival in the most severe weather humans have ever experienced on planet earth.

My basic plan is to remain useful as long as I can. If I have some skill that is regarded valuable then I stand a much better chance of surviving.
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby AmericanEmpire » Mon 19 Dec 2005, 20:02:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ell, if you havent figured it out yet, most married women(in my observation) at age 30 will talk about nothing else other than babies. Even if you have just one, it makes the whole ride of life worth it.


Nope, she doesn't want any. Same as me.

Thats before we even learned about peak oil. It was just a matter of kids are too damn expensive.

Now I sure as fuck wouldn't bring anymore into the world. That would be evil since we are already in overshoot and todays kids are most likely to have a miserable existence.

I've got two cats. They are alot cheaper and easier to take care of. :-D
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby PrairieMule » Mon 19 Dec 2005, 20:05:10

RJase,

I'm 35, married w/ 2 girls, mortgage pymt etc. I also have a fair amount of "Prosperity" around my waist. I started running last month and quit smoking. Most of my peak oil prepping comes under the guise of my hobbies Backpaking and helping out my Dad at the ranch. I think you are right on about a lot of things.

Wher in the US are you?
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby RacerJace » Mon 19 Dec 2005, 20:23:53

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Wher in the US are you?


The part you guys call "down under". check below my avitar/alias.
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby Daculling » Wed 21 Dec 2005, 15:09:31

Hell ya I'm going to try to survive and I'll shoot anyone who stands in my way!
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby bruss01 » Wed 21 Dec 2005, 18:14:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Princess', 'I') don't know if I'll live to 80 or 100, but I know I won't go out with a wimper. I intend to go out fighting, kicking and screaming all the way.


Right on, Princess... Outwit, Outplay & Outlast.

I may be voted off the island at some point, but until that time I'm going to give it the best I've got.

Someone said it's "hard" to prepare. huh. Hard is not:
- buying sturdy clothes that last, instead of a new flashy, fashionable outfit per week, and using the saved money to put into preps
- reading a book on gardening, first-aid, or self-defense instead of 10 hours worth of television a week
- buying dried beans, rice, wheat & canned goods instead of going out to restaurants 4-5 times a week (oh, and learning how to cook them)
- buying a basic gun set (1 rifle, 1 shotgun, 1 handgun) and learning how to shoot proficiently & hunt, instead of that 2 week vacation to the coast.

That's not hard, that's just a matter of will, choice.

What's hard? Trying to find something to wear, eat & defend yourself with after superinflation hits, all the employers lay-off everybody, and a massive economic depression occurs. Staying safe and healthy when the riots/pandemic break out.

Those are hard.
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby OneLoneClone » Wed 21 Dec 2005, 19:29:10

I plan to survive through the bottleneck (die-off if you'd prefer).

Whether I choose to live in the world that follows is a seperate issue, existential ennui can wait until the smoke clears.

I must admit I have been enjoying 'training' for peak oil. I am in shape now, I know local spots to deploy crab traps, I'm learning how to kayak fish. I've ID'ed a location with hand-pumped water within a four hour hike of my apartment, and other potential livable squats within a 2 gas-tank distance.

Road trips have become recon missions... looking for bug out spots, or places to buy land if things dont get bad for years. I now have gear/supplies that will allow me and the wife to exist comfortably in cold climates for a longer time than most.

But this is all just prep to make it through the bottleneck...thats as far as I've taken it.
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby Princess » Thu 22 Dec 2005, 01:08:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bruss01', 'I') may be voted off the island at some point, but until that time I'm going to give it the best I've got.

Amen, brother! My screen name may be Princess, but I'm a Princess with an attitude. Mess with me at your peril.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OneLoneClone', 'I') plan to survive through the bottleneck (die-off if you'd prefer).
I'm giving it my best shot and waiting for the bottleneck, which I fully plan to survive.
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby katkinkate » Thu 22 Dec 2005, 05:36:46

I don't know if I'll survive to grow old, but I'm hoping to be part of preparing things so that my neice and nephew (and their future families) have a much better chance of survival.
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby Guest » Mon 26 Dec 2005, 22:59:35

Yep im screwed i just have no clue how i am going to surive. and i dont want to buy books on how to cook for myself and stuff my parents will think im crazy. Do you think minnesota is a safe place to live when things begin to go downhill or should i head south if things do get nasty in my lifetime.
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby AmericanEmpire » Wed 28 Dec 2005, 16:23:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') don't have the personality for it.


Yep, the first thing required for survival in this shit is the will to survive and I'm not sure I'll have the will to continue living when everything goes to shit. I'm really addicted to my comfortable lifestyle the way it is now.

I often find myself pondering how I'm gonna off myself when the time comes because I'm not gonna want to stick around while things continue to just get worse and worse year after year. Be far better to just go to sleep for eternity than an endless life of pain and suffering in what I think will become third world conditions for most of the former first world. At the very least you will see pain and suffering even if it doesn't affect you. Its one thing for it to be in the third world now and another when it actually hits my area.

The truth of the matter is I'm gonna continue living the way I do now up until the point its no longer possible and then there will have to be a decision on whether I want to continue on and try to survive or not.

Most peoples hopes and dreams are based on life getting better for them. I think a lot of people are gonna commit suicide when reality sets in for them that the good days are over forever. Especially people who weren't paying attention, knew nothing about peak oil, and will be shocked when everything goes to shit.

At least during the Great Depression things eventually got better. Once peak oil really sets in things are never gonna get better again.
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby stopper » Wed 28 Dec 2005, 16:49:09

I too will survive, at least that's what I am planning for. Just a recent inductee tot he peak oil community - being from the center of the US you'd think I would have heard about it before '04. I am a late bloomer!! he, he, he.

Just bought a country place, very small town about 3/4 mile away. Well water, woodstove, some solar capability now, wanting more for the future. Also looking at a wind generator. But the most important part as far as I'm concerned is the attitude part. If there is a will, there is a way.
Guns o plenty in my house, plus ammo, lots of critters to hunt and have a coulpe of grass fed cows in the pasture right now. Want to get the garden up to expectations, but have much to lern in that area.

Also looking to learn alot here. This is my first post of many to come. Look forward to the ride!!!!
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby weirdo27 » Wed 28 Dec 2005, 21:17:58

lol american empire you dont think you will survive either? We both can commit suicide together. What the hell we can have a suicide party when things begin to go downhill for everyone on the board. everyone is invited. There is a bad thing though about peak oil is im terrified of death and want to live as long as possible since im 99.9% sure there is no afterlife and this is it so i want to make it the best possible. Since i know this life is gonna be miserable what a waste of existence.
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