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Re: so... what's next?

Unread postby Revi » Wed 21 Dec 2005, 11:20:21

2006 feels like the calm before the storm.

What I would really like to do is to build a super insulated earth bermed solar house. That would be real security. Less than 1000 sq.ft. Dug into the hillside and very low energy bills, if any at all. Small is beautiful.

Do I have time before the hard times come?
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Re: so... what's next?

Unread postby khebab » Wed 21 Dec 2005, 11:32:45

I believe that 2006-2007 will be relatively quiet years and oil prices should stay within the current price range $55-$70. We have a good visibility on the new projects that are coming online for the next two years. The wildcard is of course demand and in particular from China and India. Worldwide we can expect a demand growth around 2%. In the short term I'm more concerned by the NG situation which has more impact on the industry and energy sectors. Expensive NG will put more pressure on the coal market where demand is rising strongly since 2000 (Nobody have noticed but coal prices are slowly increasing).

The next two years are really test years. With oil around $60 for a long period of time, we should see signs of a transition toward alternatives and more efficient vehicles. If we fail to do so, it means that market alone as a driving force for a transition is not enough and we will not be ready to handle the right side of the Hubbert curve.
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Re: so... what's next?

Unread postby MrBill » Wed 21 Dec 2005, 13:29:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gt1370a', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', 'S')o based on The Efficient Market Theory we should expect gold to be $495, the euro to be $1.1885, crude to be $58.25, the DJIA to be 10.805 and housing prices to be approximately what they are today. They may not be in one year's time, in which case there is money to be made being a market contrarian and betting that your inside knowledge and skill as an investor is better than everyone else's?


Surely this is not a correct application of Efficient Market? That prices never change because everything is known?

I remember somebody saying that peak oil can't be for real because if it was then the market would have crashed already, based on Efficient Market Hypothesis. But simply knowing that one day oil will peak is not enough - you'd need to know when. If you decide to go with Deffeyes and bet 2005, so you put the S&P right now, then you could beat the market next year if Deffeyes was right. If he's wrong, you'll lose. There are a number of people betting each way, and the aggregate effect of that is Efficient Market - right? The market arrives at a price based on all the known information, such as historical price trends, Deffeyes' prediction, the USGS prediction, etc.


Yes, this is a problem I have with efficient market theory as well. For example, crude has gone up and down some 15-17% in the past two weeks or so. Was so much 'new' information made available to investors?

Certainly after the bomb blast in London when prices dropped 7.5% and then went up 7.5% on the same afternoon efficient market theory had given way to behavioral finance some say managed chaos. Close all open positions, wait for new information, process, re-evaluate and then re-enter market based on new information? Well, they are not completely at odds with one another either are they?

Efficient market theory does not say that the price will be X in 12-months, but based on what we know today it should be X +/- a discount/premium for what we do not know?

If the market knew for certain what peak oil would look like, its timetable and its fallout then it would react instantly to that information and we would most certainly not be trading at or around $58.25. But in the meantime the market goes up and down looking for an equilibrium between buyers and sellers today and in the foreseeable future. As peak oil's fundamentals become clearer the market will process that new information.
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Re: so... what's next?

Unread postby MrBill » Thu 22 Dec 2005, 07:10:16

Not that drilling in the AARNWR was the answer, but increasing fuel standards and tougher enforcement might have bought another few more years and started to inform citizens about why they need to conserve fuel? Oh well, another missed chance. Another year closer to the end game.

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Congress has been unable to agree to the two most significant steps analysts cite for addressing the issue: allowing more domestic drilling and increasing automobile mileage requirements.



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